Baptism Essential to Salvation

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This is one topic I haven't seen on this forum:

Is water baptism essential to salvation?

Does it matter how you are baptized? (Sprinkled or fully immersed)

Does it matter what is said when they baptize you? (Father, Son, Holy, In Jesus name, name of the Lord Jesus?)
 
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To answer:

Yes, Peter said so in his Epistle.

No, because John the Baptist did immersion, but the OT mentions that a day shall come when the waters of salvation are sprinkled.

Yes, because Jesus commanded us to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
 
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This is one topic I haven't seen on this forum:

Is water baptism essential to salvation? <----No

Does it matter how you are baptized? (Sprinkled or fully immersed) <------Yes...IMMERSION

Does it matter what is said when they baptize you? (Father, Son, Holy, In Jesus name, name of the Lord Jesus?)
<-----Yes...In the Name of The Father, The Son and the H.S
 
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Matthew 28:19-20

" Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
" Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age " Amen.


Notice how our Lord Jesus here in the great commission tells the apostles how to baptize, and then tells them we are to observe all He commanded. So did He say to be baptized, YES.
 

notuptome

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No, No, No not again. Mat 28 is not water baptism. Water is not essential to salvation. Holy Spirit baptism is essential to salvation. Mat 28 is immersion in doctrine not water nor Holy Spirit. You make disciples by teaching them doctrine not by baptism.

So many water baptism threads and so much wrong information.

For the cause of Christ
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This is one topic I haven't seen on this forum:

Is water baptism essential to salvation?
Yes, Mk 16:18; Acts 2:38; 1 Pet 3:21

apostolic862004 said:
Does it matter how you are baptized? (Sprinkled or fully immersed)
Yes, baptize is an immersion.

apostolic862004 said:
Does it matter what is said when they baptize you? (Father, Son, Holy, In Jesus name, name of the Lord Jesus?)
No. "In the name of" means by the authority/approval of and is not some formula that has to be recited over the one being baptized. The one who has submitted himself to being baptized needs to understand that he is being baptized by the authority of God, Christ and the Holy Spirit and is not submitting to baptism by his own, or any other man's, authority.


“The meaning of baptism in the name of Jesus varies slightly according to the Greek preposition used. In Acts 2:38 Peter exhorted the Jews to repent and be baptized in or upon (epi) the name of Jesus Christ, resting upon His authority and being devoted to Him. Later Peter instructed Cornelius to be baptized in (en) the name of Jesus Christ, acting on His authority [Acts 10:48]. Three passages use eis (Mt. 28:19; Acts 8:16; 19:5) plus the parallel phrase ‘baptized into Christ’ (Rom. 6:3; Gal. 3:27). A study of these verses along with the verb baptizo and eis in 1 Cor. 1:13; 10:2; 12:13 indicates that the one baptized is identified with Christ (or Paul or Moses) and passes into new ownership or partnership with Him, with new loyalty and fellowship” (Wycliffe Bible Dictionary, C.F. Pfeiffer, H. F. Vos, John Rea, eds., Peabody, MA, 2003, p. 1176).

So when baptized one comes into the ownership of Christ.
 

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This is one topic I haven't seen on this forum:

Is water baptism essential to salvation?
No. The New Testament makes it clear that we are saved through believing in Him/faith prior to receiving water baptism (John 3:16,18; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:24-26; 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..). In Acts 10:43-47, we see that these Gentiles received the Holy Spirit and were manifesting the gifts of the Spirit after believing the gospel prior to water baptism (Acts 10:48). This observation must be balanced, however, by the fact that baptism was not considered an "optional extra" for these Gentiles; it was a command that they were expected to obey. However, it was not obedience to this command that saved them, but believing in Christ (Acts 10:43). Baptism is the initial outward response to the gospel, but it is not a part of the gospel itself (1 Corinthians 1:17; 15:3,4).

There are a number of prooftexts which are often cited to prove that the Bible makes baptism mandatory for salvation. Some of the most common such prooftexts are Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38 and 1 Peter 3:21. A careful examination of each of these texts in context will show that none of them prove that baptism is a necessary prerequisite for salvation, though they do prove that baptism was an assumed initiatory response to the gospel of salvation. In other words, these texts prove only that baptism is regularly associated with conversion and salvation, rather than absolutely required for salvation. NOWHERE does the Bible say that whoever is not water baptized will be condemned/not be saved. Yet, whoever does not believe will be condemned/not be saved (John 3:18). Salvation is signified, yet not procured in water baptism.

Does it matter how you are baptized? (Sprinkled or fully immersed)
Yes, immersion.

Does it matter what is said when they baptize you? (Father, Son, Holy, In Jesus name, name of the Lord Jesus?)
Jesus said...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19) but as the book of Acts shows, baptizing in the name of Jesus is also done (Acts 2:38; 8:12; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5).
 

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This is one topic I haven't seen on this forum:

Is water baptism essential to salvation?

Does it matter how you are baptized? (Sprinkled or fully immersed)

Does it matter what is said when they baptize you? (Father, Son, Holy, In Jesus name, name of the Lord Jesus?)
If you haven't seen this before here........oh, no, wait............
 

p_rehbein

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Matthew 3:5) Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan. 6 .) And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.................. 11) I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:....... 13) Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 .) But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 .) And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 .) And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 .) And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased..............

20:22) But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. 23 .) And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. 24 .) And when the ten heard it, they were moved with indignation against the two brethren........

21:24) And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things. 25 .) The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him? 26 .) But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet. 27 .) And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.......

28:16) Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 .) And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 .) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 .) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 .) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


Mark 1:4) John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.5 .) And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins…….. 7) And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.8 .) I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.9 .) And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.10 .) And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:11 .) And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
10:35) And James and John, the sons of Zebedee, come unto him, saying, Master, we would that thou shouldest do for us whatsoever we shall desire.36 .) And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you?37 .) They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.
38 .) But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?39 .) And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:
11:27) And they come again to Jerusalem: and as he was walking in the temple, there come to him the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders,28 .) And say unto him, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority to do these things?29 .) And Jesus answered and said unto them, I will also ask of you one question, and answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things.
30 .) The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me.
31 .) And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then did ye not believe him?32 .) But if we shall say, Of men; they feared the people: for all men counted John, that he was a prophet indeed.33 .) And they answered and said unto Jesus, We cannot tell. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Neither do I tell you by what authority I do these things.
16:14) Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.15 .) And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.16 .) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
LUKE 3:2) Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
3 .) And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
4 .) As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
5 .) Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
6 .) And all flesh shall see the salvation of God………….12) Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do?......15)And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not;
16 .) John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:…….21) Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
22 .) And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
20:1) And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,
2 .) And spake unto him, saying, Tell us, by what authority doest thou these things? or who is he that gave thee this authority?
3 .) And he answered and said unto them, I will also ask you one thing; and answer me:
4 .) The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?
5 .) And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then believed ye him not?
6 .) But and if we say, Of men; all the people will stone us: for they be persuaded that John was a prophet.
7 .) And they answered, that they could not tell whence it was.
8 .) And Jesus said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

John 1:19) Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
20 .) And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
21 .) And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
22 .) Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
23 .) He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
24 .) And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.
25 .) And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
26 .) John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;…………31) And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32 .) And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
3:22) After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 .) And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized………….25) Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
26 .) And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
27 .) John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
28 .) Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
4:1) When therefore the LORD knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
2 .) (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
3 .) He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.
10:39) Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
40 .) And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.
41 .) And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
42 .) And many believed on him there.

not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 .) And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 .) He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Revelation 7:14) And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

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Acts 1:4) And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 .) For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence……22) Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost……..41) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
8:12) But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13 .) Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. 14) Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 .) Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 .) (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)…………35) Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 .) And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 .) And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 .) And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
9:17) And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
18 .) And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized
10:34) Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 .) But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
36 .) The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
37 .) That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;………..44) While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 .) And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 .) For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 .) Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 .) And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
11:13) And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
14 .) Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
15 .) And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
16 .) Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
13:22) And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.
23 .) Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
24 .) When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
25 .) And as John fulfilled his course, he said, Whom think ye that I am? I am not he. But, behold, there cometh one after me, whose shoes of his feet I am not worthy to loose.
16:28) But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
29 .) Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
30 .) And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 .) And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 .) And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 .) And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
18:8) And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized………..24) And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
25 .) This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
26 .) And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
19:1) And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 .) He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 .) And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 .) Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 .) When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 .) And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
22:12 .) And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
13 .) Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
14 .) And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
15 .) For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
16 .) And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

3. 1 John 1:7″… the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth
us from all sin.”


1[SUP]st[/SUP] Corinthians 1:13) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14 .) I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15 .) Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16 .) And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
17 .) For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 .) For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
10:1) Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 .) And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
12:13) For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 .) For the body is not one member, but many.
15:28) And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29 .) Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
30 .) And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
31 .) I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our LORD, I die daily.
 

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Galatians 3:23) But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 .) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 .) But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 .) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 .) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 .) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 .) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Ephesians 4:3) Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 .) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 .) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 .) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 .) But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Titus 3:5)Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 .) Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 .) That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


Hebrews 6:1) Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 .) Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 .) And this will we do, if God permit.

1[SUP]st[/SUP] Peter 3:17)For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
18 .) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 .) By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 .) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 .) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 .) Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

1[SUP]st[/SUP] John 5:6) This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 .) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 .) And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
9 .) If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 .) He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth
 

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OK THEN.........that should take care of ANY QUESTIONS concerning baptism in the New Testament...........

No, no, no need to thank me........... :)
 
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Can anyone give me scriptures when people were actually baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost?
 
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Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing[SUP]G907[/SUP] them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries ...

G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
bap-tid'-zo
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism: - baptist, baptize, wash.


Thayer’s Greek Definitions ...

G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
Thayer Definition:
1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one’s self, bathe
3) to overwhelm


God bless!
 
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Can anyone give me scriptures when people were actually baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost?
No. There are no such scriptures. ALL were baptized in Jesus name. The only place in the Bible whereby we see "Father, Son, Holy Ghost" is ...

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


However, this is a commandment and NOT an actual baptism taking place. No one here is being baptized, but only receiving the command. Jesus is telling them what to do, not what to repeat verbatim. If I told my son to go to the store and buy groceries, and he says to the clerk "I want to buy groceries", he is only repeating the command, and not fulfilling the command. A Biblical baptism is to baptize as they did in the book of Acts, which is by immersion and in Jesus name.


God bless!
 

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Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing[SUP]G907[/SUP] them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries ...

G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
bap-tid'-zo
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism: - baptist, baptize, wash.


Thayer’s Greek Definitions ...

G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
Thayer Definition:
1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one’s self, bathe
3) to overwhelm


God bless!
Bapto is generally accepted to refer to water while Baptizo is used for Holy Spirit baptism. In the context of the verse neither seem to fit and the following verse is stressing teaching which is doctrine. One can be immersed in doctrine and remain there just like a sunken ship. Seems like one must force anything else to make it work.

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Bapto is generally accepted to refer to water while Baptizo is used for Holy Spirit baptism. In the context of the verse neither seem to fit and the following verse is stressing teaching which is doctrine. One can be immersed in doctrine and remain there just like a sunken ship. Seems like one must force anything else to make it work.

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Roger
What you mean to say is neither seem to "fit" your doctrine right? He didn't say Go ye therefore and teach all nations in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. You can't just act like the word "baptizing" isn't there. He said to baptize them in the NAME of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Men cannot baptize anyone with the Spirit so that obviously is not what he was commanding them. He was commanding them to baptize people in WATER and to do it in JESUS' NAME!

There was not one individual that was baptized in the TITLES Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in the bible. Yet we all believe that the apostles obeyed the commandment of Jesus in Matt 28:19 right? So if they obeyed him, but never baptized anyone in the titles Father, Son, Holy Ghost, then how did they baptize people? Well lets take a look!

Acts 2:28 Peter preached that EVERYONE should be baptized in JESUS Name

Acts 8:16 Phillip baptized people in JESUS Name

Acts 10:48 Peter commanded people to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Who is the Lord you ask? Acts 10:36 tells us its JESUS

Acts 19:1-5 Paul re-baptized people who had already been baptized before. But this time he did it in JESUS name


Soooooo, what is the name of the Father? JESUS! What is the name of the son? JESUS! What is the name of the Holy Ghost? JESUS!
 
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This is one topic I haven't seen on this forum:

Is water baptism essential to salvation?

Does it matter how you are baptized? (Sprinkled or fully immersed)

Does it matter what is said when they baptize you? (Father, Son, Holy, In Jesus name, name of the Lord Jesus?)
The people in those days had thought that by doing this will make them become clean it was called immersion. But God had love this act because the people were letting Him know that they were filled with sin and are willing to become clean. But the true way of getting rid of sin, is through the Holy spirit and that is a long process.

Matthew 8:1 When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him.

2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

3 And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. (The physical nature only has been cleansed)

Matthew 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

John 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.



 
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Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing[SUP]G907[/SUP] them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries ...

G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
bap-tid'-zo
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism: - baptist, baptize, wash.


Thayer’s Greek Definitions ...

G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
Thayer Definition:
1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one’s self, bathe
3) to overwhelm


God bless!

Baptizo is a literal immersion and in the context of Mt 28:19,20 Jesus authorized ("in the name of") His disciples to go forth and baptize, so we have human administered water baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

In Jn 4:1,2 verse 1 says Jesus baptized but verse 2 says Jesus baptized not. This is not a contradiction for Jesus did not baptize anyone personally Himself, but baptized by giving His disciples His authority to baptize in His name.
 
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The power and authority is in that NAME ... Jesus!

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


To apply Jesus death, burial, and resurrection, we need to do exactly what Peter said to do...

1. Death = Repent
2. Burial = water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins
3. Resurrection = Holy Spirit

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:


God bless!