abortion if raped or special needs

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bobby

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ur thoughts?
 
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Jason83

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Not really trying to get involved in this discussion too much, but if a women can get raped, have a child, and raise that child to follow Jesus-- what an amazing women she would be. That would demonstrate such great faith and perseverance that she could overcome anything in life.
 

Elizabeth619

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Is sacrificing the life of a baby justifiable due to rape? Society tells us it is acceptable, but the bible does not. Nowhere in scripture does God condone the death of an unborn child. Not even in cases of rape.

Keep in mind an abortion does not undo the rape. It doesn't erase the rape from your life. All the abortion does is make you the mother od a dead baby.
 
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kennethcadwell

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There is always options to give the child up for adoption. There are many out there that would love and take care of the child no matter what the issue is with the child. I know it would be hard on the woman emotionally/physically to carry the baby to term under the circumstances of rape, but even God said we must go through trials and tribulations.

Also to me for a woman to abort a baby that was conceived during a rape would be imposing the punishment that should only befall on the rapist, on to the child.

It was not the babies fault the woman was raped, so why should the baby pay instead of being allowed to live a full life.


We have gotten caught up in a world that denies our Lords teaching, and wants to take judgment calls on themselves, as well as vengeance.

We are to live under grace...meaning love and forgiveness. This is real hard for a lot these days to do, or they even twist it to we only have to forgive if it was personally done to us. Nowhere in the bible does it say this, it says to we are to forgive all.
 

violakat

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In the case of the Special Needs babies, I think there should be no question, but allow them the chance to live. I know the worldly view is that they suffer needlessly, or take up too much time and resources, and in some cases, that does seem to be the case. But their have been a lot of children who have made the world better, just by being here. In addition, there have been times that doctors were wrong about tests.

As for women who become pregnant while raped, that's harder. While I could understand why they would choose abortion, I personally don't think they should. No matter what decision they make, it will be a very hard one for them, especially as they are already dealing with the emotions of being raped. All you can do is pray, offer them love, and support, and just be there for them.
 

oldhermit

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All abortion, no matter what reason one may use to justify the deed, boils down to a murder of convenience.
 
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kennethcadwell

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I agree with you up to a point except saying all abortion. Because when a woman has a miscarriage they perform an abortion to remove the dead fetus.

All abortion, no matter what reason one may use to justify the deed, boils down to a murder of convenience.
 

Atwood

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The Issue is Baby-Murder, Not Abortion

Abortion is not a sin. It is a fact of life. Women abort babies all the time. I think the majority of women have abortions, miscarriages. An abortion is the removal of a baby from the womb in an untimely manner. Generally this leads to the death of the baby; and often it is not avoidable.

But to take a baby inside a womb and yank it out of a womb so that it dies by force, is a serious crime. If a baby had to be removed from the womb even to keep it alive, then all possible should be done to keep that baby alive using the best incubation equipment available.

Only a monster murders a baby, happy and secure in its mothers womb, going in with a scalpel and cutting it up alive into pieces, then pulling them out.

What have we sunk to in this nation?
The Nazis only killed 6 million Jews. The Nazis may have had some grudge vs Jews over imagined mistreatment. But who has a grudge vs a baby who never harmed anyone. What is our count now in the USA alone? 70 million? It boggles the mind.

The blood runs red and cries out for vengeance to the Lord God.
Surely our nation is poised on the precipice of destruction (nothing about the USA in prophecy).
Never has a nation had such blessings to turn & spit in the fact of God Almighty.

And right now we may be seeing the process of this land vomiting out its inhabitants as Lev 18 says with new invaders coming across the border in hoards. Is it not an irony that the babies the USA is murdering are being replaced by a hoard of Hispanic children, like a Children's Crusade.

The rape of a woman in no way justifies murdering a baby.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Atwood now that is just crazy, saying abortion is not a sin. The murder of any life rather it has been born yet or not is a sin. The purpose that most abortion is used for is to kill the life of the baby that is growing inside a woman. They do not try to take it out and keep it alive to fully form.
 

oldhermit

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I agree with you up to a point except saying all abortion. Because when a woman has a miscarriage they perform an abortion to remove the dead fetus.
Yes, that is true. Perhaps I should have qualified that statement by saying all 'live' abortions.....

I do believe that an abortion performed in order to save the life of the mother would be a matter of conscience for the mother and I do not believe that I could hold that against anyone.
 
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breno785au

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The baby is still her flesh and blood even if it was conceived through rape plus you don't know who that child will grow up to be, it may grow up to change the world! For I know our God is in the business of making the best and redeeming of even the worst of situations.
 
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WE are to look at law through love. We obey Sabbath law, but love comes first so we need to help those in need on Sabbath. (Please let's not get into law and salvation working together in this)

The law is that we do not murder, and along with that it includes harm to others even by word. Abortion is harm and murder. It is simply not to be done. However, if you know that a child will come into the world only for extreme suffering, I think there could be a question of what is the loving thing to do.

I think there is also a question when people stand in front of abortion clinics to harm and condemn the people going there. We know abortion is terrible, but God has not given government the authority to punish them for it. These people are taking on that authority and that is wrong.

My dear friend's daughter and her husband wanted a baby so much, their hopes and prayers were centered on this. Tests showed the baby she conceived had almost no brain. She aborted, with prayers and tears from them both. Many people were watching them enter the clinic with absolute judgments and cruelness. The abortion ruined her life, and ever since the words of the judging people rings in her ears. She became emotionally ill.

I don't know how God wanted her to handle this situation, perhaps it was wrong of them to take the doctor's advice and they acted wrong to abort. I do know those people who stood there judging her were in the complete wrong.
 
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Yes, that is true. Perhaps I should have qualified that statement by saying all 'live' abortions.....

I do believe that an abortion performed in order to save the life of the mother would be a matter of conscience for the mother and I do not believe that I could hold that against anyone.
that would be a terrible situation for the mother to be happy that this child is coming, and then the doctors tell you, the baby isn't going to be viable and the mother will die if the babies life isn't ended. I cant imagine what a parent would go through in that situation. I dont think that should be classified even in the same category as a mother deciding she doesn't want the child.
 

oldhermit

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that would be a terrible situation for the mother to be happy that this child is coming, and then the doctors tell you, the baby isn't going to be viable and the mother will die if the babies life isn't ended. I cant imagine what a parent would go through in that situation. I dont think that should be classified even in the same category as a mother deciding she doesn't want the child.
I quite agree.
 
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1still_waters

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For me, my sympathy/understanding for a woman who becomes pregnant due to rape and wants an abortion, is a lot different than for a woman who becomes pregnant because she chose to have sex and wants an abortion.

As a Christian I can't advocate for taking innocent human life under any circumstance. I do think Christians need to be more sympathetic toward women who are victims of rape, become pregnant, and are now subject to carrying a baby when they had no choice in the matter whatsoever, and especially considering her life is forever changed due to such a violating circumstance.

Having a baby is a life changing thing, having a baby as a victim of rape, has to be a major life changing thing. One that calls for a lot of understanding, sympathy, delicacy and support, especially from Christians. We have to find a way to advocate for that life, while understanding the life changing trauma a rape victim has gone through.
 
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..................... We have to find a way to advocate for that life, while understanding the life changing trauma a rape victim has gone through.
In other words, let love be our guide. Murder is still murder, and wrong, but deciding what to do about a situation must include love. Good point.
 
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I always thought they did such a good job on the character of Olivia Benson on law and order special victims unit, as her character was a child of rape, and what she went through ,the emotions etc, whether a father is a rapist or not, that child is still a person, and has no control over who their father is, no one knows who they will grow up to be, or what they will contribute to society, I think that's what her charter was designed to show, that character was hope to all the other children of rape, there are many like her in real life
 

agrape41

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Amen...couldn't agree more..
 

blue_ladybug

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I think if a woman is raped, and gets pregnant as a result of it, she has two options: have it and keep it, or have it and give it up for adoption. Some women's circumstances may not allow her to keep it for a variety of reasons, such as religious belief, or she's a minor child, and does'nt have the finances and support it would take to raise a child all on her own. In cases of rape, abortion should NOT be an option!! As for special needs, we are ALL born with special needs of our very own!! God sends parents babies with certain needs sometimes. Again, that is'nt a viable reason for an abortion. We all have certain disabilities, we need to deal with a babies needs as we would our own.