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p_rehbein

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Ephraim is Great Britain, Manasseh is the United States and these two brothers carry the name Israel...

Gen 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

END QUOTATION.........

???......................where in the Bible is this stated...........???
 

p_rehbein

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speculation:

n. noun

  • Contemplation or consideration of a subject; meditation.
  • A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.
  • Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.
 
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QUOTED:

Ephraim is Great Britain, Manasseh is the United States and these two brothers carry the name Israel...

Gen 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

END QUOTATION.........

???......................where in the Bible is this stated...........???
it isn't stated in the bible...it is a variant of the teaching of the 'british israel' cult...
 

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Thanks. Are there any prophecies in the Bible that are for Israel today other than Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39?
There are tons of Scriptures in the OT Prophets speaking of not only Israel's scattering to the four corners of the earth (which has happened) but also their regathering back to the Land ; also their restoration to faith after much tribulation, with the return of their promised King and the setup of His Kingdom.
 

p_rehbein

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it isn't stated in the bible...it is a variant of the teaching of the 'british israel' cult...


So, it IS speculation............... :)
 
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Yes the end times are coming.For how long Israel and america will go on shedding the blood of phalestines ..........For how long can the hypocrisy of west can go on........we muslims are waiting for help from God.And in near future he is going to help us.A day will come near the judgement day when muslims will have power ..
 
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Yes the end times are coming.For how long Israel and america will go on shedding the blood of phalestines ..........For how long can the hypocrisy of west can go on........we muslims are waiting for help from God.And in near future he is going to help us.A day will come near the judgement day when muslims will have power ..
I think divine power from God almighty is to take precedence. Power struggles instigated by humans will always fail according to our desire that does not correlate with His. There is nothing humans can do to influence the plan God has set from the beginning of time. It is true, however, that God reacts to human's actions concerning righteous judgment according to His will.
 
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, there will be many signs and wonders, many crimes and many thunders,
many hicups and many blunders
many many rumbles
and many tumbles
but one day there will be a bridge between the isreal and iraq. amen
Blessing to Egypt, Assyria, Israel
22The LORD will strike Egypt, striking but healing; so they will return to the LORD, and He will respond to them and will heal them. 23In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrians will come into Egypt and the Egyptians into Assyria, and the Egyptians will worship with the Assyrians. 24In that day Israel will be the third party with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth,

In the mean time all we can do is watch theese events unfold and pray
 
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We are saved by hope. I love prophecy! The good stuff.

Zechariah 10:6-8
6 And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off : for I am the LORD their God, and will hear them.
7 And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad ; their heart shall rejoice in the LORD.
8 I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased .

hiss=to call or whistle

Ezekiel 37:17-19
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying , Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
 
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it isn't stated in the bible...it is a variant of the teaching of the 'british israel' cult...


So, it IS speculation............... :)
Perhaps you will then show me where the promises of Gen 48 and 49 have been fulfilled if not the US and Britain.
 

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Perhaps you will then show me where the promises of Gen 48 and 49 have been fulfilled if not the US and Britain.
or, perhaps I won't............:) like Jesus said to some guys one time.............answer me this first........ :)
 

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Yes the end times are coming.For how long Israel and america will go on shedding the blood of phalestines ..........For how long can the hypocrisy of west can go on........we muslims are waiting for help from God.And in near future he is going to help us.A day will come near the judgement day when muslims will have power ..
Well Muslims and Jews both are going to have a rough go at it as long as they deny the Son.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
 
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Perhaps you will then show me where the promises of Gen 48 and 49 have been fulfilled if not the US and Britain.
they were fulfilled in ancient israel...

sometimes the most obvious answer actually -is- the best one...
 

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Little children
we are in the last days
there will be wars and rumors of wars becasue the enemy wants to cause mass confusion
ignore this, stick with yout bible and read it
and build your relationship

I dont read news anyway it is all manufactured each day what they want you to get excited about
all baloney.




I would watch like the bible says to do, and be ready.

the devil wants us to not even see the delusions he makes.

I would find a good news site and see whats hapining around use.

please everyone dont just crawl into a hole and cover up,

get out and warn our fellow brothers of things to come.
 

prove-all

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Give me your take on this scripture.

Ezekiel 37:16-19




this happenes in the millinium, david will be king over healed isreal
 

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Israel, as in the Northern Kingdom. In the OT, the Northern Kingdom of Israel is often identified synonymously by it's major tribes - Ephraim and/or Manasseh; the Southern Kingdom is identified synonymously by it's major tribe - Judah.

promises went to Abraham and Isaac and to Jacob,

Jacobs name change to Isreal, then Isreal placed his

name on his grand kids from Josephs and an egypt woman.

if you add up all promises from Abram to egypt,

we will see that they where not all given out because of unfaithfullness.


names for Isreal are

the nation of Isreal or kingdom, Jacob - unrepentent state, Isreal - repentent state,
Ephraim and or Manasseh


the promise, that he [Abraham] should be the heir of the world. Romans 4:13
that Isaac was born by promise, and by a miracle from God,
But my covenant will I establish with Isaac 19-21.

Therefore God give thee (Jacob) of the dew of heaven
and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine
increase and possession]: Let people serve thee, and
nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren

God appeared to Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel.
And Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he talked with him, even a pillar of stone

all the promises and the covenants of God, all the sonship and
the glory,belong sole to Israel (Romans 9:4).

and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers
Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the
midst of the earth”

But the birthright was Joseph’s” (1 Chronicles 5:2).


now the tribe of Judah is only one tribe and never ever called Isreal by itself.
if you think all Isreal is the current jews , you will get future prophecy wrong.

Judah, jews,

Only those of the three tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi were, or current Jews now.
 

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I know. I just have my doubts that they are correct.



It seems to me Ezekiel is talking about the restoration of Israel after the Assyrian and Babylonian exiles.

4Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. 5Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
6And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

11Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

this has not happened yet.
 
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This following scripture has yet to be accomplished, for in this same chapter of the Bible mentions tribe of Ephraim, relating to the other tribes dispersed throughout the world after the conquest of Syria recorded in the Old Testament. In 1948 the whole world was shocked to see Israel reborn, the world never considering that prophecies concerning Israel were in no way complete and finalized before that time in history.
Ezekiel 37:19-24
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone , and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned , and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd : they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
 

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so what happened when Isreal sinned and taken captive ?

“For the children of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he did;

“Therefore the [Eternal] was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight:
there was none left but the tribe of Judah only” (2 Kings 17:18).

-only Judah remained

Israel began to be “carried away out of their own land to Assyria” (2 Kings 17:23).

“And I will wait upon the Lord, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob ….” (Isaiah 8:17)

-God hide his face from them, striped of name, heritage, idenity.

-Isreal became slaves, then lost to the world, dispersed with there captures.
by deforce from God,thus becoming the lost 10 tribes, of Isreal.

-she was being punished by stripes of men.
but in Gods calender not romes, punishment for disobeying,
you have to see what time frame punishment would last.

-God swore by himself he would uphold everything he said about promises.
go back and add them all up from abram to egypt and lots are missing.

15Though thou, Israel, play the harlot, yet let not Judah offend;

that faithless one, Israel, how she … played the harlot? … 

[A]nd her false sister Judah saw it. She saw that for
all the adulteries of that faithless one, Israel,

I had sent her away with a decree of divorce;
yet her false sister Judah did not fear, but she too went and played the harlot


Faithless Israel has shown herself less guilty than false Judah” (Jeremiah 3:6-11).

-this gives no one right to slander the jews or Jerusalem,a curse said would follow.
if not for davids sake, and Gods Holy name we would not even see them like isreal.

-Jeremiahs strange commision comes in after isreal was removed..
first he tried to warn judah to repent and turn from evil but failed.
but there was way more then just that he did.

1The words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah, of the priests

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,” the Eternal said to him,
“and before you were born I consecrated you;

-only a few have ever had this specal privlage, who where the others?.

“Behold, I do not know how to speak, for I am only a youth.”

I appointed you a prophet to the nations” (Jeremiah 1:5).

“See,” said God, “I have set you this day over nations and over kingdoms,

to pluck up and to break down, to destroy and to overthrow, to build and to plant”

-what nations and kingdoms, to move around change, then replant ?

the Eternal said to Jeremiah: “Have you seen what she did,

I will remove Judah also out of my sight, as I have removed Israel,
and will cast off this city Jerusalem which I have chosen,
and the house of which I said, My name shall be there” (2 Kings 23:27).

130 year after Isreal lost and long gone, judah goes captive.

-none of the verses below say anything about house of Isreal.

Then rose up the chief of the fathers of Judah and Benjamin,
and the priests, and the Levites, with all them whose spirit God had raised,
to go up to build the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem.

Now when the adversaries of Judah and Benjamin heard that the children of the captivity
builded the temple unto the Lord God of Israel;Ezra 4:1 (KJV)

Then all the men of Judah and Benjamin gathered themselves together unto Jerusalem Ezra 10:9 (KJV)

-So far as the world knows, the last king to sit on that throne of David was Zedekiah of Judah,
but God promised David would never to want a man to sit on his thrown.

Then the king of Babylon slew the sons of Zedekiah in Riblah before his eyes:
also the king of Babylon slew all the nobles of Judah. Moreover he put out Zedekiah’s eyes,
and bound him with chains, to carry him to Babylon” (Jeremiah 39:1-7).

Then he put out the eyes of Zedekiah; and the king of Babylon bound him in chains,
and carried him to Babylon, and put him in prison till the day of his death.(Jeremiah 52:11)

1)king of Babylon slew all the sons of Zedekiah who were heirs to the throne of David.

2)slew all the nobles of Judah so as to leave no possible heirs for that throne.

3)putting out Zedekiah’s eyes, king who sat on David’s throne,taken to Babylon where he died in prison.

4)the throne of David ceased, with no possible heirs, or sons, to keep the dynasty alive.

-a former king of Judah was at that time in the dungeons of Babylon,
-that we can find Jesus line from Jehoiakim,

And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;

-Jesus did not take posession of davids throne when here on earth the first time.

that Evil–merodach king of Babylon in the year that he began to reign
did lift up the head of Jehoiachin king of Judah out of prison;

“As I live, saith the Lord, though Coniah [Jeconiah] the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah
were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck thee thence”! (Jeremiah 22:24)

Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days:
for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.(22:30)

-to remove the crown of David from the ruling line of Pharez
and place it on the head of a son of Zarah.

-but a royal line straight from David had to remain in the area,
so Christ could be born of David’s seed yet several hundred years in the future.

-king of Persia made a decree giving him the governorship, not the crown of a king, And Zorobabel
to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the house of God, the temple, seventy years after the captivity.

but there is lots more to be fullfilled, and to post on Jeremiahs commision,
he did not finish it till his hair grew white and was old age.
 

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-I'm pretty skeptical that there are any. For one, Israel today doesn't seem to be the same as the Israel I see in the bible for some key reasons:

-Israel is not occupying the land listed in the OT (much of it is in the countries of Jordan, Syria, and Egypt or controlled by Palestinians).


true Isreal does not posess Samaria right now there capital.

-There is no king

but there is lots of kings on thrones all over the world current.

-There is no high priest

He's in Heaven.


-Different law

no same law, only different place.

-No temple

are not oure bodys his temple

-No priestly/sacrificial sysstem

Jesus took care of that.-

-Little to no tribal distinctions

yes there hidden from the world.

-No prophets

are you sure.


-Not even a national level acknowledgement of Yahweh as King

50 years ago the Queen of england would sware she came from Davids line.

and they placed Jacobs piller stone under neath there cornation chair,

Stone of Jacob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and sing Zadok the priest when someone crowned.

Zadok the Priest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I guess I just don't see how naming yourself "Israel" automatically means it's the same as or somehow continugous with the Israel of the bible.