Stuck in our private interpretation of scripture

[RedTent]

Every time there is a disagreement on CC it is caused by one view of a bible truth without an understanding of all scripture says about that truth.

There are many different Christians who are stuck.Those stuck about law is a major one.Some are stuck and can’t learn about the things law can do and what it is meant for because they have learned what it can’t do.You would think then, that there would be people who would get just as stuck in the good of the law, but it seems those who know the good of the law also know what it can’t do.

“The rapture” is another one.Sabbath is a huge one, there are so many truths and scriptures that apply.People seem unable to apply every one of these scriptures.It must be very important to the Lord or scripture wouldn’t mention it so often and it even be included in a day of creation.

It is a complication to the discussions, I think, to post a few of the scriptures that apply to every truth.Without thorough study of all, we can even misunderstand a scripture that applies to a truth.The scripture “we are not under law” is a case in point.To understand that scripture we must know all about salvation, what it means and what it requires and what doesn’t work for it.We need a thorough understanding of the Mosaic Covenant, and that it wasn’t even given to the Hebrews until they were freed from slavery, symbolic of our freedom from the slavery of sin through the blood of Christ.Yet, many put their entire understanding of God on this one verse, blinding them to any of what else they need to know about it.

Bible study must have an understanding of the principles of God.We must know God is love, and if we think a scripture doesn’t speak to love in our minds, we are not seeing it as God wants us to see it.There are basic truths we must learn of God to be able to read scripture, God is just, God is eternal, God is a spirit and not mortal, these things are shown in every scripture.

 

[Simiel]

Come to me I have all answers.. for the question I know the answers too.

 

[crossnote]

Then there are those who claim to know the 'whole counsel' of God's Word and yet never refer to it in their arguments but only knock those who do..

 

[RedTent]

Then there are those who claim to know the 'whole counsel' of God's Word and yet never refer to it in their arguments but only knock those who do..

And this post is to help us determine how to read scripture? To me it just sounds like someone playing the blame game that solves nothing.

 

[2Thewaters]

Then there are those who claim to know the 'whole counsel' of God's Word and yet never refer to it in their arguments but only knock those who do..

Then there are those who ignore everything JEsus says for us to do because it woudl decrease their church size and income


Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth,
and they that hear the words of this prophecy,
and keep those things
which are written therein:
for the time is at hand.



"And the dragon was wroth with the good church of God,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." -Revelation 12:17.


"Here is the patience of the saints:
here are they that keep the commandments of God,
and the faith of Jesus." -Revelation 14:12.


"Blessed are they that do his commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city."
-Revelation 22:14.

 

[2Thewaters]

There is no Bible verses that say

you must be disobedient or you will go to hell

you must not keep the commandments for that is works

and you must criticize and kill everyone who disagree with you

these are three of the most popular doctrines that are not in the bible that I have

what we must do is recieve the holy spirit

and only those who obey God get the holy spirit

1 Pet 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:1 Pet 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


the word of God
OBEYED by the spirit

funny thing

is pelple claim to be pure by confession while they still keep on sinning

this is what the pharisees did

claim to be going to the kingdom while they kept right on sinning and killing Jesus and pushing people around and declaring war on those who dont believe their false doctrines

we need to follow te Bible
the word of God


"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the gospel
of our Lord Jesus Christ:" -2 Thessalonians 1:8.


"And if any man obey not our word by this epistle,
note that man, and have no company with him,
that he may be ashamed." -2 Thessalonians 3:14.






"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" -1 Peter 4:17.

 

[2Thewaters]

if you dont obey the commandments of God by faith in Jesus blood and the divine power giving you strength to be obedient there is no salvation for that person

you cant be saved from sinning if you keep right on sinning

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" -Hebrews 5:9.

salvation is only to those that obey

because you have to be born again to obey

 

[2Thewaters]

2 Tim 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2 Tim 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Tim 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


reproof is good
that means
your not doing this according to the Bible
change
ok
now I am doing that by the strength of JEsus in me.
the power of HIS blood, I do right now
no more crack



for reproof, for correction,

um brother
your keeping the wrong day
O I am
yes
ok I will pray
father keep me in the truth help me to follow in your word and do as you have asked.
by the blood of JEsus we do right.


for instruction in righteousness:

teachers instruct
if a student says
"she talks well but we dont actually have to do any of that do we?"

Um yes we do
that is what she is teaching

change of lifestyle
putting away beer drinking lying killling stealing hatin and commandment breaking

 

[crossnote]

And this post is to help us determine how to read scripture? To me it just sounds like someone playing the blame game that solves nothing.

I'm just bringing out an aspect left out of the OP, does that pose a problem?

 

[RedTent]

Then there are those who claim to know the 'whole counsel' of God's Word and yet never refer to it in their arguments but only knock those who do..

Are you saying that some posts are not based on scripture? Or referring to those posts only knocking other posters, instead of giving scripture. I posted this thread for a deeper look into scripture and why there is disagreement, not as a critique of posters.

 

[gb9]

if you want a picture of what private interpretation of Scripture is, look at what someone above ( not you ms. redtent) did. so this is why we are critical of other posters because of what they do. having a viewpoint and pulling out verses to support that viewpoint is just plain wrong. the Word of God should be looked at as a whole, not a series of verses.
you can have your opinions, as long as you present them as opinions. but many on here try to give them Biblical authority.

 

[ThePottersClay]

I'll shake my head at this point...

Thank you.

 

[Zinzerio]

Every time there is a disagreement on CC it is caused by one view of a bible truth without an understanding of all scripture says about that truth.

There are many different Christians who are stuck.Those stuck about law is a major one.Some are stuck and can’t learn about the things law can do and what it is meant for because they have learned what it can’t do.You would think then, that there would be people who would get just as stuck in the good of the law, but it seems those who know the good of the law also know what it can’t do.

“The rapture” is another one.Sabbath is a huge one, there are so many truths and scriptures that apply.People seem unable to apply every one of these scriptures.It must be very important to the Lord or scripture wouldn’t mention it so often and it even be included in a day of creation.

It is a complication to the discussions, I think, to post a few of the scriptures that apply to every truth.Without thorough study of all, we can even misunderstand a scripture that applies to a truth.The scripture “we are not under law” is a case in point.To understand that scripture we must know all about salvation, what it means and what it requires and what doesn’t work for it.We need a thorough understanding of the Mosaic Covenant, and that it wasn’t even given to the Hebrews until they were freed from slavery, symbolic of our freedom from the slavery of sin through the blood of Christ.Yet, many put their entire understanding of God on this one verse, blinding them to any of what else they need to know about it.

Bible study must have an understanding of the principles of God.We must know God is love, and if we think a scripture doesn’t speak to love in our minds, we are not seeing it as God wants us to see it.There are basic truths we must learn of God to be able to read scripture, God is just, God is eternal, God is a spirit and not mortal, these things are shown in every scripture.

He can appear as mortal tho.

 

[phil112]

Stuck in our private interpretation of scripture.

You should get help with that.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Every time there is a disagreement on CC it is caused by one view of a bible truth without an understanding of all scripture says about that truth.

There are many different Christians who are stuck.Those stuck about law is a major one.Some are stuck and can’t learn about the things law can do and what it is meant for because they have learned what it can’t do.You would think then, that there would be people who would get just as stuck in the good of the law, but it seems those who know the good of the law also know what it can’t do.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20
[private - idios - pertaining to one's self, one's own, belonging to one's self]

“The rapture” is another one.Sabbath is a huge one, there are so many truths and scriptures that apply.People seem unable to apply every one of these scriptures.It must be very important to the Lord or scripture wouldn’t mention it so often and it even be included in a day of creation.

I believe that the only problem with the 'rapture' is when and the "EXACT when" is not specifically stated in scripture. (of course, that is mine own (idios) understanding, LOL) The Sabbath shouldn't even be an issue because we are not to judge anyone in respect t meat, drink, of an holy day, or of the new moon or of the Sabbath - these things were a shadow of things to come. The Sabbath day is a day of rest that we should set apart - God used it as a day of rest - so should we.

It is a complication to the discussions, I think, to post a few of the scriptures that apply to every truth.Without thorough study of all, we can even misunderstand a scripture that applies to a truth.The scripture “we are not under law” is a case in point.To understand that scripture we must know all about salvation, what it means and what it requires and what doesn’t work for it.We need a thorough understanding of the Mosaic Covenant, and that it wasn’t even given to the Hebrews until they were freed from slavery, symbolic of our freedom from the slavery of sin through the blood of Christ.Yet, many put their entire understanding of God on this one verse, blinding them to any of what else they need to know about it.
Bible study must have an understanding of the principles of God.We must know God is love, and if we think a scripture doesn’t speak to love in our minds, we are not seeing it as God wants us to see it.There are basic truths we must learn of God to be able to read scripture, God is just, God is eternal, God is a spirit and not mortal, these things are shown in every scripture.

Understanding also lies in the question: to whom is it written - Jew, Gentile, Church of God. What is God saying when He says it, where He says it, and to whom He says it.

 

[Dan58]

Anyone can misconstrue scriptures to mean whatever they want, and some pretty outlandish interpretations are posted in this forum, but I think that in today's world, God is likely pleased to see a few trying to learn His written word. Getting to heaven is not a test of intellect, but a hunger for righteousness. "Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 19:14). I think that's the spirit and mindset God wants us to demonstrate. Kids are always wondering and asking questions, for that matter, so did the disciples. We don't need to lecture or denigrate others, just express our point of view.

 

[RedTent]

Anyone can misconstrue scriptures to mean whatever they want, and some pretty outlandish interpretations are posted in this forum, but I think that in today's world, God is likely pleased to see a few trying to learn His written word. Getting to heaven is not a test of intellect, but a hunger for righteousness. "Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 19:14). I think that's the spirit and mindset God wants us to demonstrate. Kids are always wondering and asking questions, for that matter, so did the disciples. We don't need to lecture or denigrate others, just express our point of view.

I like this. Little children never say they know everything, they listen. They absorb the main point and everything else is just adding to that. God saves us through the blood of Jesus and tells us how to live with Him in our lives. I can't imagine a little child who has accepted Jesus as Savior spending time attacking others who have asked Jesus to save them.

 

[iamsoandso]

Every time there is a disagreement on CC it is caused by one view of a bible truth without an understanding of all scripture says about that truth.

There are many different Christians who are stuck.Those stuck about law is a major one.Some are stuck and can’t learn about the things law can do and what it is meant for because they have learned what it can’t do.You would think then, that there would be people who would get just as stuck in the good of the law, but it seems those who know the good of the law also know what it can’t do.

“The rapture” is another one.Sabbath is a huge one, there are so many truths and scriptures that apply.People seem unable to apply every one of these scriptures.It must be very important to the Lord or scripture wouldn’t mention it so often and it even be included in a day of creation.

It is a complication to the discussions, I think, to post a few of the scriptures that apply to every truth.Without thorough study of all, we can even misunderstand a scripture that applies to a truth.The scripture “we are not under law” is a case in point.To understand that scripture we must know all about salvation, what it means and what it requires and what doesn’t work for it.We need a thorough understanding of the Mosaic Covenant, and that it wasn’t even given to the Hebrews until they were freed from slavery, symbolic of our freedom from the slavery of sin through the blood of Christ.Yet, many put their entire understanding of God on this one verse, blinding them to any of what else they need to know about it.

Bible study must have an understanding of the principles of God.We must know God is love, and if we think a scripture doesn’t speak to love in our minds, we are not seeing it as God wants us to see it.There are basic truths we must learn of God to be able to read scripture, God is just, God is eternal, God is a spirit and not mortal, these things are shown in every scripture.

Redtent,in different threads I have stated "it would help to know which denomination of sabbath ect." are addressing the threads(I mean no offense in stating this this way),,,what I do mean is this,,,

I think the Ill response to the law(I do not see the law offensive),sabbath day observance(I do not see the sabbath day,Fri./Saturday as offensive),,I could go on but. Now If one said they were Calvinist(instantly we know where they stand),,,If they say Catholic(instantly we know where they stand),,if Pre mill. or post(we know where they stand),,,which brings me to the issue I think is common just going by the different responses I've seen on c.c.,,,,

That is,,If one said "honor the sabbath",,"WHO IS SPEAKING?" is the question that comes to mind. Why i say this is that there are "Christian Jews",,and they see one position, then"S.D.A." and they believe in one set of doctrine,then "shepherds rod's",another set of doctrines,,the Davidians(branched off the s.d.a.) and the "branch Davidians",another branch. Then there is C.O.G.,,there are some Pentecostal and others still that follow the basic concept of "sabbath day=7th day" and,,,

Now so putting mine own self in the shoes of others(you also for a moment,suffer me in this),,but of these I have mentioned one states that if someone does not Honor the sabbath then they have the mark of the beast and are dead. another(namely the christian/Jew) believe that Jesus is the Messiah,but that the gentile is to adhere to all of the old test. laws for they are becoming part of the Jewish faith,"per to say". There are some who adhere more closely to the Millerite stance and again another and another. And also there are those who do not adhere to any of the mentioned churches/groups but say that the ten commandments are all that are to be followed,and the other portion of the law of Moses is true and spiritually understood.

There is a reasoning to why i am saying this,that is that as the threads proceed we begin to discuss the sabbath,then in the midst of one supporting the 7th day and the other supporting the 1st,,,their is differences that arise between the ones who support the 7th(and they argue among themselves in the post about the 7th),,and there also arises the same among those supporting the 1st(and they argue among themselves in the post).,,,Then as if we have trolled our own post(by accident) we see post #35 and it is offensive to one of the many and so post #36 is an attack against one who is arguing over the different doctrines of those who support the 7th,and they themselves do not support the 7th they support the 1st but saw something that one of the others stated and posted an argument to it,at times also it takes place in the opposite(two who observe the 1st debating) and another who sees the 7th rebutting.

Now I say this because as we both know there are some at c.c. who hold to both days as well as one to one and the other to the other. And as well as this so we both know there are some who come in as new members who join and begin to post who confess "EITHER OF THE TWO DAYS" and we eventually come to the frame of thinking they are very fanatical as we would see it from either view.,,,

I say this because turn the comments posted backward it applies to both,one is sound,one is unsound. One incites great fear in those who are unlearned of it,and hope to those who see,"a little of it",All considering we know not all,I do not know my own grave,my casket I have never seen,the suit I will wear I do not wear today that I am aware of. Yet comfort I do know,I do have it and I will not wear that suit different in the grave than the one on my couch.

Who is speaking makes a world of difference one says this and the other well,,no that is almost correct,but the way i was taught this is not required. As you can see anyone from the other side of the view would by nature "lump sum them all together",,some will make them deathly afraid,they will reject them at a glance,,,others they might listen to for a while. Who,,Who,is what I am asking,,,ad I know you(You) are not of any of the former i have mentioned,because I was listening,though you share a similar view,,,but who was listening?

 

[crossnote]

Are you saying that some posts are not based on scripture? Or referring to those posts only knocking other posters, instead of giving scripture. I posted this thread for a deeper look into scripture and why there is disagreement, not as a critique of posters.

Your OP is full of critiquing methods of posters, I only added one more.

 

[Grandpa]

Ephesians 1
[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:


There's your key to getting "un-stuck"