Why is that we are in bondage?

[eternally-gratefull]

And it is amazing how blind the people are who say the law in only to condemn us, when God gave it for so many different thinks.

So your calling Paul a liar.

Thanks.. We know what you think about Paul. thats all that needs to be said.


Galatians 3:19
[ Purpose of the Law ] What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.

Paul did not say A purpose of the law. or one of the purposes of the law. He sad THE purpose. the whole reason god gave it.

I can't understand why red necks always start swinging instead of talking! Or why putting on Christ and dying to self so you follow Him is so looked down on by some people! You say you do that, yourself, so why attack others for doing that? Do you really think that putting on love of Christ, results in having to ignore what Christ stands for? Or that Christ did not stand with Moses? Christ was with the Lord as he spoke to Moses, if he changed His mind about what He told Moses Christ would have told us not to listen to him, yet he often talked of listening to Moses without one word against him.

Again, you ignore paul. and all the gospel stands for.

You are not obeying God. your trying to fulfill some law that can not even do what you want it to do. Oh if you would just find the freedom in God, and learn the love of Christ, you would smack yourself for being so blind for so long, and trying to do what the jews could not do. yet think you are better than they are, so you will do it better.

Yes, that is blind.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your logic is flawed. You are saying that everything has a direct opposite. What is the opposite of a bicycle? What is the opposite of a tree?

Neither saves or kills.

and neither have a thing to do with saving or killing. thus are invalid examples

Your logic is flawed.

if disobedience to the law kills (which by the way, that means we are all dead, because we all have sinned and fall short) then obedience must saved (although non of us has been obedient, for all have sinned and fall short.)

Thus no matter how you look at it. We are all dead with no hope. yes, including you.

 

[john832]

and neither have a thing to do with saving or killing. thus are invalid examples

Your logic is flawed.

if disobedience to the law kills (which by the way, that means we are all dead, because we all have sinned and fall short) then obedience must saved (although non of us has been obedient, for all have sinned and fall short.)

Thus no matter how you look at it. We are all dead with no hope. yes, including you.

Apart from the grace of God. Grace is the forgiveness and justification through Jesus Christ for breaking God's Law...

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

The Law simply defines sin. It does not save us, Christ does that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Apart from the grace of God. Grace is the forgiveness and justification through Jesus Christ for breaking God's Law...

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

The Law simply defines sin. It does not save us, Christ does that.

well then, if it can not save you. And we ALL have been condemned by it. because we ALL have been disobedient to it. Your argument that one can be lost because they are disobedient is flawed. For it means everyone will be lost. since ALL have sinned and fall short.

 

[RedTent]

and neither have a thing to do with saving or killing. thus are invalid examples

Your logic is flawed.

if disobedience to the law kills (which by the way, that means we are all dead, because we all have sinned and fall short) then obedience must saved (although non of us has been obedient, for all have sinned and fall short.)

Thus no matter how you look at it. We are all dead with no hope. yes, including you.

Christ told me I have hope through His blood. Told you that, too. Christ paid for your and my sins, we have only to go to Him.

 

[Zinzerio]

because of this scripture Malachi 2:10
Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?

 

[Flamingspirit]

because of this scripture Malachi 2:10
Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?

It is love that fulfills the law. No matter what a man may call himself in the flesh, a person who is the wiser should always understand we still all come from the same source.

 

[Zinzerio]

[h=1]Malachi 2:10King James Version (KJV)
[/h] [SUP]10 [/SUP]Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?



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treacherous - dangerously unstable and unpredictable; "treacherous winding roads"; "an unreliable trestle"unreliable
dangerous, unsafe - involving or causing danger or risk; liable to hurt or harm; "a dangerous criminal"; "a dangerous bridge"; "unemployment reached dangerous proportions"

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treacherous - tending to betray; especially having a treacherous character as attributed to the Carthaginians by the Romans; "Punic faith"; "the perfidious Judas"; "the fiercest and most treacherous of foes"; "treacherous intrigues"perfidious, punic
unfaithful - not true to duty or obligation or promises; "an unfaithful lover"
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[Scuba]

well then, if it can not save you. And we ALL have been condemned by it. because we ALL have been disobedient to it. Your argument that one can be lost because they are disobedient is flawed. For it means everyone will be lost. since ALL have sinned and fall short.

2 Peter 2:21 It would be better if they had never known the way to righteousness than to know it and then reject the command they were given to live a holy life.

The grace of God does not give us the freedom to reject God's Law and to live a life of sin, it teaches us to obey God's Law.

Titus 2:11-13 For the grace of God has appeared with salvation for all people, instructing us to deny godlessness and worldly lusts and to live in a sensible, righteous, and godly way in the present age, while we wait for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Salvation is not a ticket that you get punched, it's a way of life. We have to abide in and work it out.

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

 

[prove-all]

Proverbs 1:8 (KJV)
My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:

Proverbs 4:6 (KJV)
Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.

Proverbs 4:2 (KJV)
For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.

Proverbs 6:20 (KJV)
My son, keep thy father's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother:

Psalms 89:30 (KJV)
If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;

Psalms 27:10 (KJV)
When my father and my mother forsake me, then the Lord will take me up.


Psalms 119:53 (KJV)
Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake thy law.

Job 20:13 (KJV)
Though he spare it, and forsake it not; but keep it still within his mouth:

Proverbs 28:4 (KJV)
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.

Lamentations 5:20 (KJV)
Wherefore dost thou forget us for ever, and forsake us so long time?

Deuteronomy 12:19 (KJV)
Take heed to thyself that thou forsake not the Levite as long as thou livest upon the earth.

Psalms 27:9 (KJV)
Hide not thy face far from me; put not thy servant away in anger: thou hast been my help;
leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation.


And David said to Solomon his son, Be strong and of good courage,
and do it: fear not, nor be dismayed: for the Lord God, even my God,
will be with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee, until thou
hast finished all the work for the service of the house of the Lord.

 

[Hashe]

Proverbs 1:8 (KJV)
My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:

Proverbs 4:6 (KJV)
Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.

Proverbs 4:2 (KJV)
For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.

Proverbs 6:20 (KJV)
My son, keep thy father's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother:

Psalms 89:30 (KJV)
If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;

Psalms 27:10 (KJV)
When my father and my mother forsake me, then the Lord will take me up.


Psalms 119:53 (KJV)
Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake thy law.

Job 20:13 (KJV)
Though he spare it, and forsake it not; but keep it still within his mouth:

Proverbs 28:4 (KJV)
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.

Lamentations 5:20 (KJV)
Wherefore dost thou forget us for ever, and forsake us so long time?

Deuteronomy 12:19 (KJV)
Take heed to thyself that thou forsake not the Levite as long as thou livest upon the earth.

Psalms 27:9 (KJV)
Hide not thy face far from me; put not thy servant away in anger: thou hast been my help;
leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation.


And David said to Solomon his son, Be strong and of good courage,
and do it: fear not, nor be dismayed: for the Lord God, even my God,
will be with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee, until thou
hast finished all the work for the service of the house of the Lord.

Good advice to keep ... for Jews.
For those of us who aren't Jews, we need to understand what the law says about God and have relationship with that God.