Why is that we are in bondage?

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Jun 26, 2014
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Why is it that when we obey God, by honoring His seventh day Sabbath, we are identified, by some, as being in bondage? Do you consider yourself in bondage when you abstain from adultery, murder or worshiping false gods and idols?

Now let me ask you this question. If you believe we are breaking the literal Sabbath rest if we do any form of work on the seventh day are you considered a violator of your spiritual Sabbath rest if you do any form of obedience any day of the week?

Are you afraid of violating your spiritual rest through obeying any of God's commandments in the same way you believe we are violating the day of rest by our disobeying God on that day?
 
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Because your faith is not in the work of the cross but rather the work that you do. A third grader could understand that.
 
Jun 26, 2014
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Because your faith is not in the work of the cross but rather the work that you do. A third grader could understand that.
So when I obey God my faith is not in the cross but when you obey God it is? That's a pretty tall horse to ride.
 
Jun 4, 2014
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The Sabbath is NOT Saturday. It is an age in which the people of God can rest. I have bills that may be due on Saturday whether I go to church or not on that day. That's not rest to me.
 
Jun 26, 2014
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The Sabbath is NOT Saturday. It is an age in which the people of God can rest. I have bills that may be due on Saturday whether I go to church or not on that day. That's not rest to me.
You must have missed my questions because you didn't answer any of them.
 
Jun 4, 2014
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Because your faith is not in the work of the cross but rather the work that you do. A third grader could understand that.
His faith IS in the work of the cross. He chooses to gather with like minds on that day to worship his Creator. I just want him in love to understand that it is also faith being displayed when one chooses to go on Sunday. So that when he forgives the Sunday church goer, and the Sunday church goer forgives him, the true rest of God is displayed in their lives to abide in their calling.
 
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Okay so it's about a day, Romans 14.
 
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His faith IS in the work of the cross. He chooses to gather with like minds on that day to worship his Creator. I just want him in love to understand that it is also faith being displayed when one chooses to go on Sunday. So that when he forgives the Sunday church goer, and the Sunday church goer forgives him, the true rest of God is displayed in their lives to abide in their calling.
My faith is in the cross so I choose to hang out with like minded people who worship false gods, idols and use the Lord's name in vain. Is this good or bad?
 
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I'll give them to you one at a time.

Do you consider yourself in bondage when you abstain from adultery, murder or worshiping false gods and idols?
 
Jun 4, 2014
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You must have missed my questions because you didn't answer any of them.
I have, but you must realize that you having more faith by appearance of knowledge, should be the one to drop the argument first. By our literal 7 days and the shadow of the law, you are correct. But what does the scripture say?

1 Corinthians 6:1-8

6 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
[SUP]5[/SUP]I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. How can they believe in God when we who claim we do are still arguing over what day to go to church and if we should eat pork or not
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

The 7th day is Saturday (according to the pattern or shadow). Why do you defraud your brethren by going to the law over this? It is love that carries one another burdens!
 
Jun 26, 2014
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I have, but you must realize that you having more faith by appearance of knowledge, should be the one to drop the argument first. By our literal 7 days and the shadow of the law, you are correct. But what does the scripture say?

1 Corinthians 6:1-8

6 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
[SUP]5[/SUP]I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. How can they believe in God when we who claim we do are still arguing over what day to go to church and if we should eat pork or not
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

The 7th day is Saturday (according to the pattern or shadow). Why do you defraud your brethren by going to the law over this? It is love that carries one another burdens!
So you don't have an answer? This should tell you something.
 
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I'll give them to you one at a time.

Do you consider yourself in bondage when you abstain from adultery, murder or worshiping false gods and idols?
I would call that freedom are you bound by them?
 

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26Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
27A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day:

28And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

Me and my house choice blessings
 
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IDK what your problem is to tell you the truth
 
Jun 26, 2014
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26Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
27A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day:

28And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

Me and my house choice blessings
Thanks for your input but I want to show them the fallacy of the their belief system.
 
Jun 4, 2014
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I'll give them to you one at a time.

Do you consider yourself in bondage when you abstain from adultery, murder or worshiping false gods and idols?
First you must define what these things are.

What is adultery?

We know what physical murder is like Saturday according to the commandment, but what is it to murder really? Is it not written that to hate your brother makes that person a murderer?

What does it mean to worship false gods and idols?

Now man is made in God's image. Many of those people are homeless and starving. Money (lifeless object man has made) is the ONLY thing that keeps them such. Is this not worshipping false gods and idols?