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Scuba

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Some say that the Law is used to lead people to Christ. I do believe this is true but my question is this. Can I lead a person to Christ by showing them their sin of adultery found in the seventh commandment?

Once I lead them to Christ, by revealing their need for repentance, does the sin of adultery now cease to be a sin since they have accepted Christ?

Can I lead a person to Christ by showing them their sin of forgetting to keep the seventh day holy found in the fourth commandment?

Once I lead them to Christ does forgetting to keep the seventh day holy now become okay?

If forgetting to keep the seventh day holy is no longer a sin when you're in Christ why would it be a sin when you're not in Christ?

It's like saying speeding is not against the Law once you get caught.
 
RedTent

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We are to listen to scripture humbly, not add to it or take anything away from it.

When we have our sins pointed out to us, we are led to Christ for our salvation. That stands alone.

Sin is sin, and sin kills, but through Christ we are saved from sin. That is another truth. We are to repent, to turn around from sin and renounce it. We are to love the Lord and show our love with our obedience. We are to learn all scripture and let all scripture teach us. These things are all true, one truth does not cancel any other truth.

Any time there are two scriptures that seem to oppose each other, you are adding your own thoughts if you say one scripture aces the other out. If scripture says something it is true. Scriptures agree with each other. You have to look deeper, for depend on it, scripture aces your thoughts out. Your reasoning can't compete with God's reasoning.

If you say sin of adultery ceases to be a sin when you go to Christ, you are adding your own conclusions to the word.
 
crossnote

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Scuba said:
Some say that the Law is used to lead people to Christ. I do believe this is true but my question is this. Can I lead a person to Christ by showing them their sin of adultery found in the seventh commandment?

Once I lead them to Christ, by revealing their need for repentance, does the sin of adultery now cease to be a sin since they have accepted Christ?

Can I lead a person to Christ by showing them their sin of forgetting to keep the seventh day holy found in the fourth commandment?

Once I lead them to Christ does forgetting to keep the seventh day holy now become okay?

If forgetting to keep the seventh day holy is no longer a sin when you're in Christ why would it be a sin when you're not in Christ?

It's like saying speeding is not against the Law once you get caught.
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Wrong premises.
You don't lead a person to Christ, the Holy Spirit through His Word does.
You don't reveal their need for repentance, the Holy Spirit does.
Your little system breaks down by you leading them to Christ and not the Spirit.
 
Scuba

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crossnote said:
Wrong premises.
You don't lead a person to Christ, the Holy Spirit through His Word does.
You don't reveal their need for repentance, the Holy Spirit does.
Your little system breaks down by you leading them to Christ and not the Spirit.
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And God don't work through people...

John 17:20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word."
 
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Scuba said:
And God don't work through people...

John 17:20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word."
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Not without the Holy Spirit, and you never mentioned Him or His work in the lives of people one time in your OP.
The impression is that it is solely a work of people to bring someone to Christ.
But I understand, that is the mentality of a 'works minded' person.
 
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crossnote said:
Not without the Holy Spirit, and you never mentioned Him or His work in the lives of people one time in your OP.
The impression is that it is solely a work of people to bring someone to Christ.
But I understand, that is the mentality of a 'works minded' person.
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I think I might have misspelled a word too...
 
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crossnote said:
Not without the Holy Spirit, and you never mentioned Him or His work in the lives of people one time in your OP.
The impression is that it is solely a work of people to bring someone to Christ.
But I understand, that is the mentality of a 'works minded' person.
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Someone must have hurt you terribley, and it must have had works involved. You know so well what work won't do, but here are just some of the scriptures we need to listen to, also. There are many more I could copy, along with the ones you copy. Altho, I agree with you, even when people bring people to Christ, the Holy Spirit is involved.

Joh_9:4We must do the works of Him who sent Me while it is day. Night is coming when no one can work.

Joh_14:12"I assure you: The one who believes in Me will also do the works that I do. And he will do even greater works than these, because I am going to the Father.

Rom_2:6He will repay each one according to his works:

2Co_11:15So it is no great thing if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their destiny will be according to their works.

1Ti_6:18Instruct them to do what is good, to be rich in good works, to be generous, willing to share,
 
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I know for sure, in my life, that our Lord did work a mighty work
through me, before my conversion, and mayhaps smaller works also.

He used myself to be an example to my husband, hence we both were
called by The Holy Spirit to serve and die for Him.

The Holy Spirit certainly works with people before their are called,
in step-by-step fashion, if this wasn't so, then none of us could have
any Spiritual Understanding.

God has so many patterns, each one of us will find the ones that
He has chosen for us, in His chosen time.
 
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