God does not Love Everybody

[Jason0047]

I believe things are written the way they are in the Bible so as to hide the mysteries of the Kingdom of God from those who are not truly interested in pleasing God (but only themselves). For God wants us to love Him and to love all people (Including our enemies). In other words, God is not going to tell us to do something that He has not already perfected. Think about it, my friends. God is not wrath. God is love.

Wrath would be best understood as being translated as "displeased." God does not hate you every time you might slip into sin. God loves you and desires that you repent. That is what the gospel is all about. God's love and not God's hate.

 

[Richie_2uk]

If God didnt love us ALL! he would not of sent his son to die for us ALL. its the devil thats putting that in your head that he dont love everybody. God loves you even though people may not believe in him, he loves everybody, and to say that he dont, is a lie from the devil. No matter how people put it.

 

[BenFTW]

The God of the Bible is not only a God of Love but He also is a God of Wrath. And those who do not turn from their sin and repent, one day God will cast those unrepentant sinners into the Lake of Fire. Believe it or not, There are people out there that God does hate. And do you know who it is that God hates??


Let's find out by reading the Holy Scripture:



Psalm 5:4-6 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

4 For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness:
neither shall evil dwell with thee.
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing:
the Lord will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

God hates the workers of iniquity. Not just the iniquity or sin, but the actual people who are committing the iniquity. And He absolutely abhors the bloody and deceitful men.

Also, It is those who know the Gospel but refuse to Obey it. Those who have been given the Gospel and yet they reject Jesus Christ, those same people are under the wrath of God. Therefore, God's love is NOT manifested on such people. If you want God's love, then you better go to Calvary (figuratively speaking), because all the love that God had showed up at Calvary.

So don't be fooled by these modern televangelists who are only preaching the positive aspects of God's nature and character while not preaching on the Negative aspects of His character and nature.

"Those who do not turn from their sin and repent." Do they turn from their sin or... hear me out, do they turn to Jesus? God's grace will deal with their sin, both in a point of standing before God and also in that of their life (style). But you don't have someone turn from their sin as a means of accepting grace, it is after receiving grace that such sin is removed and doesn't take dominion. As some people say, "You don't get clean before taking a bath."

Now, onto God being a "God of Wrath." Let me ask you, what does the bible say leads men to repentance? It says that it is God's goodness that leads men to repentance. It is not hell. The Gospel is not to be presented as an ultimatum of choose Jesus or burn in hell. It comes off as a threat. What believers need to articulate is that a person is already condemned and therefore Jesus is the Savior. They are drowning and He is the life raft. It isn't an ultimatum in the form of a threat, but it is the option to make the right choice. There is a subtle yet profound difference.

Fear, according to the bible, is not the means by which men repent, but God's goodness. Matter of fact, fear doesn't even equate to a reduction of sin in people's lives. People will preach hell fire and brimstone to believer's in sin and condemn them and uphold the Law as if it is the solution to their sinning. It isn't and never was in the history of mankind. No, God's grace is what removes sin's dominion according to the Word, not condemnation, not fear of hell and not separation from God. It is strictly God's goodness that leads men to repentance.

Yes, God has wrath. Jesus said in John 3:36, "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on Him." You will notice, that is is not accept Jesus or burn in hell. It is, you are heading in the direction of hell and Jesus is the exit. It is that you are already condemned and God desires that all men be saved. God's wrath was poured out on Christ, and anyone who accepts Jesus is justified in His sight.

Romans 5:6-11King James Version (KJV)

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.


Do you wish to preach Hell or do you wish to preach Grace? It isn't an either or in certain respects, because by God's grace (His goodness) are men saved (from Hell) in that of what Christ has done. But where should the emphasis be? On Hell or on Jesus? Gospel means "Good News" and Hell sure isn't good news, but Jesus sure is. When preaching the Gospel you don't go out condemning people and highlighting their sins, telling them they are going to hell. That isn't good news. You tell them that by and through Christ they are not condemned, God loves them and you point to the blood of Christ (and what was accomplished on the cross) for their sins. You don't tell them to repent from their sins, you tell them to repent towards God. Change their mind, and come to Christ who's blood shall cleanse them from all unrighteousness. Where you put emphasis matters.

 

[Atwood]

What Vs says that God does not Love Everybody?

The God of the Bible is not only a God of Love but He also is a God of Wrath.

What is your proof that God does not love everybody? Your quote from Ps 5 does not say that. Quote us a verse that says God does not love all men.

 

[Atwood]

]I believe things are written the way they are in the Bible so as to hide the mysteries of the Kingdom of God from those who are not truly interested in pleasing God (but only themselves). For God wants us to love Him and to love all people (Including our enemies). In other words, God is not going to tell us to do something that He has not already perfected. Think about it, my friends. God is not wrath. God is love.

Wrath would be best understood as being translated as "displeased." God does not hate you every time you might slip into sin. God loves you and desires that you repent. That is what the gospel is all about. God's love and not God's hate.[/FONT]

Well it is most certainly true that "God so loved the world," and that God is love. Now I would like to see the proof that wrath (from a God who is a consuming fire) means just displeased?

If that is all it means, I would not wish to displease Him!

I can see it now, on the entrance to the Lake of Fire:

"Place of the Lord's Displeasure."

 

[ChosenbyHim]

God does love everyone.

No He does not. God does not present tense love Christ rejecting sinners.

For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His one and only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16.

Yes, God so LOVED (past tense) the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (Jn. 3:16).

Now let us read up to verse 18 of the same passage:


John 3:17-18 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. [SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

All inclusive. Yes, God hates iniquity, but He loves us all and He reveals this in many ways, the first of which being giving His only Son for the sins of all, if they will accept Christ as Lord and Savior. So, though there is justice and there is a price to be paid for rebellion and sin, it doesn't change the truth that God loves everyone.

God not only hates the iniquity, but He also hates the WORKERS of Iniquity:


Psalm 5:5-6 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing:
the Lord will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

 

[Jason0047]

Well it is most certainly true that "God so loved the world," and that God is love. Now I would like to see the proof that wrath (from a God who is a consuming fire) means just displeased?

If that is all it means, I would not wish to displease Him!

I can see it now, on the entrance to the Lake of Fire:

"Place of the Lord's Displeasure."

You think God has to hate a sinner with total hate and no love in order to destroy their soul and body in the Lake of Fire?

God is merely ending evil and sin.

Yes, God can get angry at people. We see Jesus get mad at the money changers. But this is not white hot blind hatred that humans have. Such a hate there is no room for love.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

God so loved the world (John 3:16). The world. That means everyone. For Jesus is the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29). For He is not only the propitiation for our sins, but He is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2).


And why would Christ die for us while we are yet sinners if He didn't love them?
(Romans 5:8)


Why would Christ die for the ungodly if He didn't love them?
(Romans 5:6).

God sent His Son into the world to die for the sins of the ungodly, because He did love the world. But if a person is presented with the Gospel and rejects Jesus Christ and mocks the Bible and God. Then the love of God is no longer toward that person, but the wrath of God abides presently on that person.

Like I said before, God does not present tense love Christ rejecting sinners. You know the CEO of Starbucks, Howard Schultz, who is hostile toward Christians and Biblical principles? Do you really think that God's love is upon him???

If you do, then you really do not know the God of the Bible. Do you realize that God hated Esau. Not Easu's sin, or his iniquity. But He hated Esau (the person). Don't fall for this modern teaching that God only hates the sin but loves the sinner. You won't find that phrase anywhere in the Bible.



And if God really loves everyone, including the lost heathen, then why does He send them to Hell when they die? If you loved someone, would you send them to Hell to burn forever? Do you know why God sends those who are lost to Hell when they die? because they rejected His Son, and therefore His wrath abides on them and will abide on them for all eternity.

In fact, Jesus (Who is God Almighty in the flesh) displayed love towards those who did evil against Him when He said to the Father on the cross, "Father forgive them; For they know not what they do." (Luke 23:34).


For God takes no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked (Ezekiel 33:11) and He is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).


For God is love (1 John 4:8).

It is important to know that God is merciful and longsuffering. But even His mercy and longsuffering are running for the lost. Have you ever read this passage concerning what God is going to do when the lost cry out to Him after it is too late? CHeck out this passage:


Proverbs 1:23-32 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]Turn you at my reproof:
behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you,
I will make known my words unto you.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Because I have called, and ye refused;
I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
[SUP]25 [/SUP]but ye have set at nought all my counsel,
and would none of my reproof:
[SUP]26 [/SUP]I also will laugh at your calamity;
I will mock when your fear cometh;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]when your fear cometh as desolation,
and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind;
when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer;
they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]for that they hated knowledge,
and did not choose the fear of the Lord:
[SUP]30 [/SUP]they would none of my counsel:
they despised all my reproof.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way,
and be filled with their own devices.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]For the turning away of the simple shall slay them,
and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.




Do you know who does the mocking and laughing at the End? On Judgment Day? It is God Himself.

Read that passage again. You know all these wicked hell bound sinners and hollywood (helliwood) tramps like Madonna, and Beyonce, and Bill Maher who like and enjoy mocking God and making fun of the Bible; you know what God is going to do when He sees them running for their lives during the time of Jacob's trouble? He is going to laugh at them.

God is not just love. God is also a consuming FIRE. See Deuteronomy 4:24 and Hebrews 12:29.

 

[Jason0047]

"Those who do not turn from their sin and repent." Do they turn from their sin or... hear me out, do they turn to Jesus? God's grace will deal with their sin, both in a point of standing before God and also in that of their life (style). But you don't have someone turn from their sin as a means of accepting grace, it is after receiving grace that such sin is removed and doesn't take dominion. As some people say, "You don't get clean before taking a bath."

I have a huge problem with this version of grace because it is not only immoral but it is also unBiblical and wrong on so many levels. It's merely an excuse to serve sin (the devil) all while also trying to serve God. But Jesus said you cannot serve two masters. For you will hate the one and love the other. Jesus preached repentance at the start of his ministry. Paul even spoke about how godly sorrow leads to repentance. Peter told Simon the Sorcerer (Who was a believer) to repent of his wickedness. Jesus in Revelation tells actual churches to repent or he will remove their candle stick (i.e. position to hold the Light of Christ within them (c.f. 1 John 5:12)). The man who was justified before God was the man who cried to God to have mercy on him and it was not the man who thought he was God's child and was better than everyone else (See Luke 18:9-14).

Once Saved Always Saved.

No words turn my stomach more.

You might as well say, "I am now saved and I can act like nothing ever happened and continue to live in my old life of sin."

That's what it sounds like to me.

For in Romans 6, even Paul asks the question, shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Paul's answer to that question was, "God forbid."

I mean, just read the "Condemnation" in John 3:19-21. Those who did not come to the Light did so because they prefered the darkness of their own evil deeds (Unless of course they were to be reproved).

For how do you tell the good guys from the bad guys when you watch a movie?

Do you say that maybe the guy who killed a bunch of people in the movie could be saved because he might have secretly accepted Christ? Such a suggestion would be madness.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Yeah, but what about passages that say that God loved Jacob and hated Esau?


Does it ever say Esau was tortured in hell because God hated him so much?
No, most certainly not.


In fact, the Bible says this about the word "hate."


Luke 14:26
"If any man come to me (Jesus), and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."


Does this mean you have to hate your family to be Jesus' disciple? No. It is talking about a degree of love. Who do you love more? Your God or your family?

Well in the Context of Luke 14:26, the word hate does not necessarily carry its usual meaning.

But the other places where the word 'hate' occurs, it means exactly what it means. God says in His word He hates a proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, an heart that deviseth evil, feet that be swift in running to mischief, a false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. Now just look at this passage closely and analyze it.

The Lord not only hates the sin and the iniquity. But He hates the sinner that is committing these sins. He hates the LOOK of the proud person, He hates the TONGUE of the sinner that speaks the lies, He hates the HANDS of the sinner that sheds innocent blood, He hates the HEART of the sinner that devises wicked imaginations, and even the FEET of the sinner that is always swift to run to mischief, and He hates the false witness that lies, and finally He hates the man who sows discord among the brehthren. This passage is clear, God not only hates the sin that a person commits, but also He hates the man or woman who commits these sins. He not only hates Lying, but He hates the Tongue that is doing the lying. He not only hates murder, but He hates the hands that are committing the murder. He not only hates pride, but He hates the faces of those who are putting on the proud and haughty looks. One thing is for sure, there are people out there who God does hate. And if you still cannot see that, then I suggest you study your Bible more, and begin to get a balanced view of God and His character.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

This is not to say that God does not get angry or that there isn't a wrath of God. However, we have to understand that God does not hate sinners in the sense that we understand the word hate. God does not hate sinners.

But the Bible does teach that God hates the workers of inquity and the bloody and deceitful men (Psa. 5).

God loves sinners and desires them to repent. For if God hated sinners, then He would not want them to repent. God would do everything possible to hurt sinners every chance He got with no chance of mercy. For to hate someone is to make them your enemy. God is not your enemy. God can be your friend because He loves you so very much.

God does not love Christ rejecting sinners. Now even though they may still be alive, it is because of His mercy and grace, but just because His mercy is allowing them to live on the earth, does not mean that He loves them. God does indeed want and wills for all men to repent and be saved. He does want all men to come to the knowledge of the Truth. But God does not force anyone to love Him. He does not override man's free will.

There is a certain point that if a man is not careful, but continues to reject Jesus Christ and the Gospel, that eventually, God can just give that wicked man up and over to a reprobate mind (See Romans 1). And I guarantee you Jason, there are those out there today who have already been given over to a reprobate mind to where they cannot repent. Now do you think that God loves a reprobate? Do you think His love is manifested upon those reprobates who never wanted anything to do with Him or with His Son?

 

[Witness45]

The God of the Bible is not only a God of Love but He also is a God of Wrath. And those who do not turn from their sin and repent, one day God will cast those unrepentant sinners into the Lake of Fire. Believe it or not, There are people out there that God does hate. And do you know who it is that God hates??


Let's find out by reading the Holy Scripture:



Psalm 5:4-6 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

4 For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness:
neither shall evil dwell with thee.
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing:
the Lord will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

God hates the workers of iniquity. Not just the iniquity or sin, but the actual people who are committing the iniquity. And He absolutely abhors the bloody and deceitful men.

Also, It is those who know the Gospel but refuse to Obey it. Those who have been given the Gospel and yet they reject Jesus Christ, those same people are under the wrath of God. Therefore, God's love is NOT manifested on such people. If you want God's love, then you better go to Calvary (figuratively speaking), because all the love that God had showed up at Calvary.

So don't be fooled by these modern televangelists who are only preaching the positive aspects of God's nature and character while not preaching on the Negative aspects of His character and nature.

You blind self-righteous arrogant fool.

You obviously don't know the gospel, because if you did you'd know that you yourself as well as everyone on this planet is under God's wrath due to each of our iniquities. It's not that you 'have sinned', it is that you 'have done nothing but sin' from the very beginning... Let God's Law prove it to you...

Look at the Ten Commandments, have you kept them perfectly? Have you ever lied? Stolen? Lusted after a woman?... Hated anyone yourself?... Christ equates lust with adultery (Matthew 5:28), and most importantly emphasized in this case he equates hatred with murder (Matthew 5:22)... Have you loved God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength; and loved your neighbor as yourself?

If you can say that you've not just at some point been, but have always been morally perfect, then you may possibly deserve God's righteousness. Otherwise you are not deserving of anything but complete and utter death and destruction like the rest of us. Read Romans 3 and you'll see what I mean...

God most certainly DOES NOT hate anyone. To say so is quite possibly the most intolerable blasphemy I've seen. Yes he has infinite wrath towards sin, but why is that? Because he has infinite love towards us. How can you say you truly love someone if you don't truly hate that which separate's you from the ones you love?

Quite possibly one of the greatest heresies Satan has ever established is the idea that God 'sends' anyone to Hell. God doesn't 'send' anyone to Hell, we go there on our own accord. We have all broken God's Divine Law, and will have to stand before him on Judgment Day. Sense we are all constant Law breakers we are all sentenced to death. We can ONLY escape through the blood of Jesus who committed no sin. He died in the place of us, and all we can do is receive the free gift the he has given us through this sacrifice: eternal life.

Your message is so focused on your own righteousness and the righteousness of our 'good deeds' that it has blinded you to the simple truth that there is nothing that we could ever do to renounce a father's love for his child. He will love us no mater what we do. All he asks is that we genuinely seek a relationship with him and not seek what we can get out of him. The only reason we try so desperately not to sin is because we love him, and want to grow closer to him.

In essence this self-righteous attitude that has overpopulated our culture is an attempt to convince God that he owes us something. Newsflash: He doesn't owe us anything. We can't buy him off with our good works.

How dare you sir, speak of the Holy God of heaven in such a way that you consider him a murderer of his own children! How dare you raise yourself up as well as others to the foolish level of thinking you can earn his love and he'll owe you the rights to Heaven! And finally how dare you sir claim that in God's hatred he would send people to Hell who genuinely want God but can't have him because they themselves aren't righteous enough, or as you seemed to put it not as righteous as you!!!

I proudly boast in the fact that I am quite possibly (and I in all the sincerity of my heart mean this) the worst sinner on this sight. You name the atrocity and I've done it. I am chief of sinners, and I boast of that because it shows the truly infinite depths of our heavenly father's great love! It is not in any way anything that I have ever done to earn what God has done for me, and if he can look down at someone as iniquitous and sinful as me and freely give his love and grace than what can truly separate us from such great love!? Nothing!! I have absolutely NO righteousness of my own. ALL righteousness is imputed to me by God and it is his and his alone...

These simple truths hold true to everyone. God loves everyone. I pray that you receive this message with an open heart and repent of your own illusion of righteousness sir.

Peace, and God Bless...

 

[Jason0047]

No He does not. God does not present tense love Christ rejecting sinners.

Yes, God so LOVED (past tense) the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (Jn. 3:16).

Now let us read up to verse 18 of the same passage:


John 3:17-18 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. [SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.




God not only hates the iniquity, but He also hates the WORKERS of Iniquity:


Psalm 5:5-6 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing:
the Lord will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Who was more justified in the Parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee?
In other words the man who cried out to God to have mercy on him in being a sinner was more justified than the man who thought he was more Holier than the Tax Collector. Also, Peter told Jesus fo stay away from him because he was a sinner. In other words Peter had the same mind set that you do about God in regards to sin. He thought God wouldn't want to work with him. He is a dirty sinner and God is holy. But what Peter didn't realize is that the Lord loved Peter and was willing to work with him even knowing that he would deny Him three times.

For God sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

And God is love. That's a present tense fact and not something that exists exclusively in the past.
God is love right now.
For God proved His love when He died for the sins of the entire world.
God is proving His love (and not His hate) at this very moment by allowing every onr time or space to repent.
For God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

 

[Jason0047]

Who was more justified in the Parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee?
In other words the man who cried out to God to have mercy on him in being a sinner was more justified than the man who thought he was more Holier than the Tax Collector. Also, Peter told Jesus fo stay away from him because he was a sinner. In other words Peter had the same mind set that you do about God in regards to sin. He thought God wouldn't want to work with him. He is a dirty sinner and God is holy. But what Peter didn't realize is that the Lord loved Peter and was willing to work with him even knowing that he would deny Him three times.

For God sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

And God is love. That's a present tense fact and not something that exists exclusively in the past.
God is love right now.
For God proved His love when He died for the sins of the entire world.
God is proving His love (and not His hate) at this very moment by allowing every onr time or space to repent.
For God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Now, am I suggesting that God approves of a person's sin? Never. I am saying that God loved you enough even when you were an unbelieving sinner enough to have the gospel preached to you. For if God hated you while you were a sinner than surely there would have been no hope or mercy for you.

 

[RedTent]

You blind self-righteous arrogant fool.

...

I read this far, enough to know your are not following God and did not have to read further.

 

[Jason0047]

Well in the Context of Luke 14:26, the word hate does not necessarily carry its usual meaning.

But the other places where the word 'hate' occurs, it means exactly what it means. God says in His word He hates a proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, an heart that deviseth evil, feet that be swift in running to mischief, a false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. Now just look at this passage closely and analyze it.

The Lord not only hates the sin and the iniquity. But He hates the sinner that is committing these sins. He hates the LOOK of the proud person, He hates the TONGUE of the sinner that speaks the lies, He hates the HANDS of the sinner that sheds innocent blood, He hates the HEART of the sinner that devises wicked imaginations, and even the FEET of the sinner that is always swift to run to mischief, and He hates the false witness that lies, and finally He hates the man who sows discord among the brehthren. This passage is clear, God not only hates the sin that a person commits, but also He hates the man or woman who commits these sins. He not only hates Lying, but He hates the Tongue that is doing the lying. He not only hates murder, but He hates the hands that are committing the murder. He not only hates pride, but He hates the faces of those who are putting on the proud and haughty looks. One thing is for sure, there are people out there who God does hate. And if you still cannot see that, then I suggest you study your Bible more, and begin to get a balanced view of God and His character.

No, God does not hate physical body parts. That doesn't make any sense. God wouldn't create things within His creation just so that He can hate them. All things in the creation give glory to God. In fact, one day, every knee will bow and give glory to Jesus Christ; And one day all the wicked will be destroyed both soul and body in Gehenna (i.e. the Lake of Fire). Jesus will get the victory, glory, and honor by all.

When I hear about your God of hate, I just can't stop to think that there is something wrong. How can God hate sinners and yet love them at the same time? It sounds absolutely illogical to me. For a person who hates you and loves you at the same time is not generally considered a mentally stable person. Is that how you want me to view your version of God? How can you reconcile God loving sinners so as to pay the price for their sins and then hating them at the same time for those sins? For you have to understand that God does not take no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked. You have to understand that God is not willing that any should perish but all should come to repentance. A God of hate would not desire all people to repent. A God of hate would take pleasure in the destruction of the wicked because such a God of hate would want it's hatred towards sinners to grow. Right?

 

[Jason0047]

Now, I want you to watch this short video clip and tell me hate is not wrong.

[video=youtube;PFkAAvDkj9k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFkAAvDkj9k[/video]

 

[jag1977]

Is a person hated because they search for God or because they seek the kingdom of God?

 

[BradC]

Yeah, but what about passages that say that God loved Jacob and hated Esau?


Does it ever say Esau was tortured in hell because God hated him so much?
No, most certainly not.


In fact, the Bible says this about the word "hate."


Luke 14:26
"If any man come to me (Jesus), and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."


Does this mean you have to hate your family to be Jesus' disciple? No. It is talking about a degree of love. Who do you love more? Your God or your family?

Don't forget that Jesus said that you must hate... 'your own life also', which means all your dreams, your desires, your ambitions and everything that you would pursue in this life. They all must be forsaken, denied and put away if we are to follow the Lord. Pretty harsh isn't it, but Christ means business and He does not want half hearted believers, He wants their whole heart, soul and mind, for we can't serve God and mammon, for we must forsake the one and cleave unto the other.

 

[Ella85]

Don't forget that Jesus said that you must hate... 'your own life also', which means all your dreams, your desires, your ambitions and everything that you would pursue in this life. They all must be forsaken, denied and put away if we are to follow the Lord. Pretty harsh isn't it, but Christ means business and He does not want half hearted believers, He wants their whole heart, soul and mind, for we can't serve God and mammon, for we must forsake the one and cleave unto the other.

AMEN!!!! God Bless YOU!