God does not Love Everybody

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StoneThrower

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Is a person hated because they search for God or because they seek the kingdom of God?
No, you cant desire that without the Spirit working in your life
 
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StoneThrower

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When I hear about your God of hate, I just can't stop to think that there is something wrong.
Not to be mean but its as another poster already told you its because you dont understand the meaning of the word in a biblical context.
איב
'âyab
aw-yab'
A primitive root; to hate (as one of an opposite tribe or party); hence to be hostile: - be an enemy.
It means to be at eneminity with God which all men are in their natural state because of the curse.


שׂטם

śâṭam
Saw-tam'
A primitive root; properly to lurk for, that is, persecute: - hate, oppose self against.
Again to be opposed against God.


 
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Richie_2uk

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Is a person hated because they search for God or because they seek the kingdom of God?
Well people dont hate you either way, Because Jesus said in: Matthew 10:22 "And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved."

its not you they really aiming there hatred, its Jesus in those who are saved is hated. Its not because you search for the kingdom God that makes people hate you. Its the fact that you have Jesus in you that they are hating. But don't let people get you down because you believe in Jesus. The devil is turning people away from Jesus, because of this hatred.
 

ChosenbyHim

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God most certainly DOES NOT hate anyone.


Yes He does hate some. He hates the workers of iniquity (Psa. 5:5). The same God who loves, also hates.


God does not love Christ rejecting sinners. He does not love those sinners who openly reject His Son and who mock His word.



Quite possibly one of the greatest heresies Satan has ever established is the idea that God 'sends' anyone to Hell. God doesn't 'send' anyone to Hell, we go there on our own accord.


God does send and cast into Hell those that reject His Son. Have you ever read these Scriptures?:




Matthew 25:41

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41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:





Matthew 10:28

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And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.






Luke 12:5

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5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.




Revelation 20:15

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15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.






We have all broken God's Divine Law, and will have to stand before him on Judgment Day.



Yes, we all have broken God's Law. That is why we needed a Saviour. And those who trust Christ have their sins washed away and the righteousness of Jesus Christ is imputed onto them.

And by the way, Christians do not stand before God at the Great White Throne Judgment.

Christians stand before the Lord Jesus Christ at the Judgment Seat of Christ (1 Cor. 3:8-15; Romans 14:10; 2 Corinthians 5:10)





Your message is so focused on your own righteousness and the righteousness of our 'good deeds'



How is my message focused on self rightousness? I am not trusting in my own righteousness to get me to Heaven.


But rather, I am trusting in the absolute righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ to get me to Heaven.



In essence this self-righteous attitude that has overpopulated our culture is an attempt to convince God that he owes us something. Newsflash: He doesn't owe us anything. We can't buy him off with our good works.


Who said that God owed us something?

I agree that God does not owe us anything.

And also; who said that we could buy God off with our good works???

Are you sure you are posting in the proper thread?



How dare you sir, speak of the Holy God of heaven in such a way that you consider him a murderer of his own children!

God does not send His children to Hell. No Christian (born again Child of God) ca ever lose his salvation.

God sends the Devil's children to Hell. God sends Christ rejecting sinners to Hell.




How dare you raise yourself up as well as others to the foolish level of thinking you can earn his love and he'll owe you the rights to Heaven!

A person receives God's love by accepting and receiving the Lord Jesus Christ. Once a person trusts Christ Jesus for their salvation, Heaven is their new home.



And finally how dare you sir claim that in God's hatred he would send people to Hell


God does send people who are lost to Hell. And He will send those who have rejected His Son into the Lake of Fire (Rev. 20:15) at the Great White Throne Judgment.

God is angry with the wicked everyday.





Psalm 7:11-16

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11 God judgeth the righteous,
and God is angry with the wicked every day.

12 If he turn not, he will whet his sword;
he hath bent his bow, and made it ready.
13 He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death;
he ordaineth his arrows against the persecutors.
14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity,
and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood.
15 He made a pit, and digged it,
and is fallen into the ditch which he made.
16 His mischief shall return upon his own head,
and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.





who genuinely want God but can't have him because they themselves aren't righteous enough, or as you seemed to put it not as righteous as you!!!

Here is a newsflash to you. People who reject the Lord Jesus Christ are people who do not want God!

People go to Hell because of their pride and because they are trusting in their own righteousness to save them. People end up in Hell because they rejected the righteousness of Jesus Christ.





These simple truths hold true to everyone. God loves everyone.

God does not love everyone. There are many people who God turns over to a reporbate mind because they want nothing to do with God.



Romans 1:28

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28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

 

ChosenbyHim

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Who was more justified in the Parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee?
In other words the man who cried out to God to have mercy on him in being a sinner was more justified than the man who thought he was more Holier than the Tax Collector. Also, Peter told Jesus fo stay away from him because he was a sinner. In other words Peter had the same mind set that you do about God in regards to sin. He thought God wouldn't want to work with him. He is a dirty sinner and God is holy. But what Peter didn't realize is that the Lord loved Peter and was willing to work with him even knowing that he would deny Him three times.



The publican went home justified because he cried out to God for mercy. The publican understood that he was a sinner and that he desperately needed mercy from God Almighty.

God gives grace to the humble, but He resists the proud. And the pharisee in the parable was proud and self righteous. Many people today in the world are self righteous just like that pharisee. Many people today believe that they are a good person and that God will let them into Heaven since they are a good person. It is hard to find someone these days who will simply admit that they are no good and they are a sinner.

And concerning Peter, yes Peter was aware of his sinful state and that the Lord Jesus Christ is holy. While Peter was a sinner. It is necessary to note that he was a repentant sinner.



For God sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

And God is love. That's a present tense fact and not something that exists exclusively in the past.
God is love right now.
For God proved His love when He died for the sins of the entire world.
God is proving His love (and not His hate) at this very moment by allowing every onr time or space to repent.
For God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.



God is love indeed. But God also is just and holy. And He is also angry with the wicked every day. And if the wicked turn not, then God will whet His sword. And eventually God will kill that wicked evil doer if he continues to throw his fists at God and contunies to mock God.

If that wicked evil doer does not repent and believe the Gospel, then the love of God is not manifested on that sinner, but only the wrath of God.
 

ChosenbyHim

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No, God does not hate physical body parts.

God does hate the tongue that speaks lies (Prov. 6:17). He also hates hands that shed innocent blood (Prov. 6:17).

He hates the feet of those who be swift in running to mischief (Prov. 6:18).


Jason, I suggest you start believing the Bible.




That doesn't make any sense. God wouldn't create things within His creation just so that He can hate them. All things in the creation give glory to God. In fact, one day, every knee will bow and give glory to Jesus Christ; And one day all the wicked will be destroyed both soul and body in Gehenna (i.e. the Lake of Fire). Jesus will get the victory, glory, and honor by all.


There are people in this life who do not bring glory to God.

There is coming a day though when those who are not living for the Lord and who are not bringing Him glory will one day bow down and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.




When I hear about your God of hate, I just can't stop to think that there is something wrong.


Why do you think that something is wrong?

The same God that loves purity, holiness, rightousness, peace, and godliness is the same God who hates perversion, wickedness, sin, adultery, fornication, incest, witchcraft, sodomy, etc.



How can God hate sinners and yet love them at the same time?

God loves (present tense) the saved sinners. The sinners who have trust Jesus Christ and who are now saints.


But the sinners who are lost and who mock the Bible, and who continue to reject Jesus Christ, God's love is not upon them but His wrath and anger abides on them.





It sounds absolutely illogical to me. For a person who hates you and loves you at the same time is not generally considered a mentally stable person. Is that how you want me to view your version of God? How can you reconcile God loving sinners so as to pay the price for their sins and then hating them at the same time for those sins? For you have to understand that God does not take no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked. You have to understand that God is not willing that any should perish but all should come to repentance. A God of hate would not desire all people to repent. A God of hate would take pleasure in the destruction of the wicked because such a God of hate would want it's hatred towards sinners to grow. Right?

God loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son so that anyone could get saved if they will place their faith in His Son Jesus Christ. And the love that God had for sinners showed up at Calvary. And those who have been witnessed to concerning the Gospel. Those who have heard the Gospel and who have rejected it and rejected it, the wrath of God is what abides on those people who will not come to Christ.


And indeed, God is not willing that any should perish, but that all would come to repentance.


God does want people to get saved, but He is not going to force them to get saved.
 
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shan93

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Proverbs 6:16-19 Talks about things that God hates. But god doesnt necessarily hate the person who commits them. He takes into consideration the circumstances, our weakness, environment, upbringing, and ignorance.The writer of proverbs explains this in Proverbs 3:12: "The one whom god loves he reproves". A childs disobedient behaviour maybe hated, but the parent still loves the child and does all they can correct any bad conduct. Likewise, because of his love God takes a similar course when there is hope of saving a sinful person.
 
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Ukorin

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Does God hate Satan?
How far does God's love extend? Surely not to the Adversary.
How about those angels who have followed Satan? How about to those people who follow Satan?

We are not to hate others, but that is because we are not God, and have no right to judge.

It is silly to limit God by saying what He can and cannot do. If He says He can hate, then He has the potential to hate.

"Hate the sin, but love the sinner" is not a Bible verse, but it rings true for what we are called to do.
God is not bound to our calling.
 
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Satan was brought up amongst Gods heavenly family we could call it, despite being perfect he also had free will. Satan chose to go against gods will even though he knew better. Because of this fact God does hate Satan and his demons, they have willingly disobeyed Jehovah and therefore are worthy of death.
As for those who follow satan it all depends if they have come to an accurate understanding of the scriptures. We've heard the saying with understanding comes responsibility, well the same thing applies with us. If we know what we should and shouldn't do according to the scriptures, yet we choose not to apply it, then we are wilfully sinning against God, something he wont tolerate. But if we were to have no knowledge of the scriptures and lived a wicked lifestyle Jehovah would show mercy seeing that we didn't know any better. But upon finding out what God does require of us we would have to choose which path we would take, to keep leading the same life or to make drastic changes so that our lives are in harmony with Gods word.
 
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ChosenbyHim said:



"Yes He does hate some. He hates the workers of iniquity (Psa. 5:5). The same God who loves, also hates."

"But the sinners who are lost and who mock the Bible, and who continue to reject Jesus Christ, God's love is not upon them but His wrath and anger abides on them."


Above you say God hates the sinner but below you say....

chosenbyHim said:

God loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son so that anyone could get saved if they will place their faith in His Son Jesus Christ.


And the love that God had for sinners showed up at Calvary.


And indeed, God is not willing that any should perish, but that all would come to repentance.


God does want people to get saved, but He is not going to force them to get saved.

On one hand you say God hates sinners then you turn around and say "God loved the world" and "the love God had for sinners" and "God is not willing any should perish" and "God does want people to get saved"


So does God hate sinners or does God love sinners?
 
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I don't think folks really understand where I am coming from. I am not advocating that the devil's kingdom (i.e. unbeleivers) is on God's side or that open rebellion will be tolerated by the Lord. God has to punish evil because He is righteous and good. I am also not suggesting that God is not capable of getting angry at sinners, too. Jesus definitely had gotten mad at the money changers. I also don't believe God condones evil, either. For what fellowship has Light with darkness? What I am saying is that even amongst while we were yet sinners (evil or bad people) God loved us enough to die for our sins (When we didn't deserve it). God destroys that which is wicked or evil. He takes no pleasure in the destruction of the wicked. If God actually hated as we define that word, then God would not destroy the wicked. God would not die for the wicked. God would not send rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. It's why God alone is good.
 

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...So don't be fooled by these modern televangelists who are only preaching the positive aspects of God's nature and character while not preaching on the Negative aspects of His character and nature.
I agree that one is to be very careful about, or best off avoid, those soft sweet talkers like Osteen et al and their deluded messages. However, I cannot see any "negative" aspect in God's character and nature . Yes, the God of love also hates, and indeed some of this hate is directed towards people. But this is a holy hatred, not a negative hatred such as people in general typically associate with groups like Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, KKK, Khmer Rouge etc. Nothing negative in God's character and judgments. Only good and just.
 
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Apologetics Press - Does God Hate Sinners?

Does God Hate Sinners?


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Most religious people agree that God hates sin. Over and over, the Bible stresses the fact that God despises iniquity. God told the prophet Jeremiah to speak to the Israelites about their sin, saying: “Oh, do not do this abominable thing that I hate!” (44:4). The Proverbs writer listed seven sins the Lord hates (6:16-19). The prophet Zechariah declared that God hates a false oath and evil done to one’s neighbor (8:17). Jesus Himself said that He hated the deeds of the Nicolaitans (Revelation 2:6). The Bible emphasizes that the Lord hates sin.

Some have suggested that God takes His hatred one step further. They believe that God hates the sinner as well as the sin he or she commits. It has been suggested that God loves those who obey Him, and hates all who disobey. Those who teach this idea use various Bible verses to “prove” their case. For instance, Psalm 5:5 says that God hates “all workers of iniquity.” Proverbs 6:18-19 says that God hates “a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren.” Is it true that God hates sinners and their sin?

Any person who has read the Bible understands that one of its greatest themes is love. The Bible says that God is love (1 John 4:8). It also explains that God showed His love to uswhile we were still sinners:

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us (Romans 5:6-8).


An interesting aspect of this passage is that it stresses that lost sinners were not “righteous” or “good” when Christ demonstrated His love for them.

In the narrative of the rich young ruler, Jesus explained that the young man lacked something necessary to be pleasing to God. Yet even though the young man was lacking and lost, the Bible says that Jesus “loved him” (Mark 10:21). When Jesus mourned over lost Jerusalem, He cried:


O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! (Matthew 23:37).


Jesus said His affection for the lost inhabitants of Jerusalem was like a mother hen’s affection for her chicks. Such a statement obviously denotes love for the sinners in Jerusalem.



In one of the most well-known “love” verses in the Bible, Jesus said: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16). God’s love for the lost world was shown before the lost believed in Jesus. John further explained this when he wrote: “In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins” (1 John 4:10). From these verses it is clear that God loves lost sinners, and proved that love by sending Jesus.



How, then, can one reconcile the verses that seem to suggest that God hates sinners, but loves them at the same time? One of the most plausible solutions is that the Bible writers are using a figure of speech called metonymy when they write that God hates sinners. Metonymy is defined as: “A figure by which one name or noun is used instead of another, to which it stands in a certain relation” (Bullinger, 1898, p. 538). Bullinger further explains that metonymy can be “of cause,” when the person acting can be put in place of the thing that is done (p. 539). For instance, in Luke 16:29, the text says: “They have Moses and the prophets, let them hear them.” In reality, they did not have “Moses” or the “prophets,” but they did have their writings. The name Moses is a metonymy that stood for his writings, since he was the cause of the writings. In modern times, that would be like saying, “I hate Shakespeare.” Would the person who said that mean that he hated Shakespeare’s personality? No. We understand he would be saying he does not like the writings of Shakespeare, with no comment on the playwright’s personality.



If we apply that same figure of speech to the passages about God “hating sinners,” we can see that the sinner is put in place of the sin. Thus, when God says He hates “a false witness who speaks lies” (Proverbs 6:19), if metonymy is being used, then God hates the lies, and the one who is doing the lying (the cause) is put in place of the lies (the effect). It is interesting to see how clear this feature can be in other contexts. For instance, Proverbs 6:17 says that God hates “a lying tongue.” Does that mean that God hates a physical tongue, made of muscle and body tissue? No. It means God hates the sin that a tongue can perform. In the same context, we learn that God hates “feet that are swift in running to evil” (6:18). Again, does that mean that God hates physical feet? No. It simply means that God hates the sin that those feet can perform. It is interesting that while few, if any, would suggest that God hates physical tongues or actual feet, they would insist that God hates actual sinners and not the sin done by them.



When studying the Bible, it is very important to keep in mind that the Bible writers often used figures of speech. When we look at the idea that God hates sin, but loves sinners, the figure of speech known as metonymy clears up the confusion. Just as God does not hate physical feet or tongues, He does not hate sinners. These nouns are put in the place of the things they cause—sin.


REFERENCE


Bullinger, E.W. (1898), Figures of Speech Used in the Bible (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker), 1968 reprint.
 
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Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

If God hated people, than his love would be conditional.

An example, if someone hated blood, would they shake their fist and scream at it? No.
Its not the same kind of hatred humans experience, where their face gets red and they are screaming, and completely abhor the person.

Romans 9:11-13
(for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger. "As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."

Its important to get this in context. In V.11 it says "
for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil"


So would you say God was abhorring Esau even though he didnt even do anything?

Remember what Jesus said in Luke 14:26
"Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple.

So if Gods hatred is the same as ours, than Jesus is saying that if we want to be his disciple we must be strongly detest our families and be in repugnance toward them.
But didnt Jesus say to love and honor your mother and father?

The kind of hate here means to "love less" Jesus isnt telling us to hate and dislike our families, He is just saying that we must love him more than anyone else!

So the kind of hatred mentioned in Romans 9 is that God chose Jacob rather than Esau.

In fact God hated us so much that thats why he did send Jesus to the Cross to die in our place so that through him, we could be forgiven and restored unto God. That our old self could die and that all things could become new.

Just like God hated Paul that he came to him on the road to Damascus and revealed himself to him and destroyed everthing about him and his old life, and gave him life and made him new in Christ. What a loving God! :D

Just as the Lord says in Isaiah 55:9
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.


 

Landraider

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Hi to all,

according the Bible, ChosenbyHim is right when he say God loves somebody and hates somebody else.

In the same moment God created individuals that were able to choose good and bad things (thoughts, actions, behaviours, and so on) He created the dichotomy between Love and Hate, also.

Whichever way you look at it, this is truth.

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God does hate, the problem is we have all these liberal preachers saying god loves everyone, while it is true god does love he also hates. chosenbyhim is right with his verses. Most shocking is hosea 9:15

The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels.
 

ChosenbyHim

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Above you say God hates the sinner but below you say....




On one hand you say God hates sinners then you turn around and say "God loved the world" and "the love God had for sinners" and "God is not willing any should perish" and "God does want people to get saved"


So does God hate sinners or does God love sinners?

I believe there are certain types of sinners that God hates. And these are sinners who continue to reject the Lord Jesus Christ and who mock Bible believing Christianity and who continue to mock the word of God.

Ever consider those sinners who have been given over to a reprobabte mind? (See Rom. 1) Do you really believe that God's love is still for those reprobates? Do you know what a reprobate is?? It is a person who can no longer repent. Therefore, he can not get saved, even though he is still living. Basically that person has crossed the line and point of No Return.
 
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I believe there are certain types of sinners that God hates. And these are sinners who continue to reject the Lord Jesus Christ and who mock Bible believing Christianity and who continue to mock the word of God.

Ever consider those sinners who have been given over to a reprobabte mind? (See Rom. 1) Do you really believe that God's love is still for those reprobates? Do you know what a reprobate is?? It is a person who can no longer repent. Therefore, he can not get saved, even though he is still living. Basically that person has crossed the line and point of No Return.
This makes no sense. All He loves, He rebukes and chastens. Who doesn't fit that bill?
 
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And to add, most were given over to a reprobate mind, but this serves the purpose of God. If the rejection of them is to the reconciling of the gentiles, then the receiving of them is nothing less than the resurrection of the dead.