Using God's name in nt times

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Dan_473

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Hi! I'm interested in hearing from people (or anyone else) who like to use some form of the of four letter name (yhwh) when talking or writing in English... Granted I it's used thousands of times in the ot... When the nt writers quote the ot, they use ho kurios... Why not follow the nt example? How does the thinking work on this? Grace and peace to you all!
 

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I forgot to add... ho kurios is usually translated as the lord... But could easily be translated the master... Grace!
 
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YHWH isn't God's proper name. It only means "I am who I am" much like Gods other glorious titles like The Almighty, The Creator, Lord of Lords, Lord of hosts, King of Kings, He Who is Righteous and True, etc. Since no one knows God's proper name they use titles like YHWH or The God instead. God does have a name though, but no one knows it save He himself.
 
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Lord Jesus Christ is the proper in NT. Whoever could like to know how mighty (powerful) it is, may start the classical stuff of Jesus prayer.

It means anytime a day and night to repeat (in mind = as the mental dialogue endess thinking goes) Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me, sinfull. First it will bee hard to do. With much of practice even in night during sleeping time it will go. And such prctice is affecting a person (and his destiny) very much.
 

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Lord Jesus Christ is the proper in NT. Whoever could like to know how mighty (powerful) it is, may start the classical stuff of Jesus prayer.

It means anytime a day and night to repeat (in mind = as the mental dialogue endess thinking goes) Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me, sinfull. First it will bee hard to do. With much of practice even in night during sleeping time it will go. And such prctice is affecting a person (and his destiny) very much.
Are you talking about 'chanting' Eastern Mysticism style?
 

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YHWH isn't God's proper name. It only means "I am who I am" much like Gods other glorious titles like The Almighty, The Creator, Lord of Lords, Lord of hosts, King of Kings, He Who is Righteous and True, etc. Since no one knows God's proper name they use titles like YHWH or The God instead. God does have a name though, but no one knows it save He himself.
That's an interesting view... One that I wasn't expecting... So it sounds like you're not in favor of using a personal name for God at any time... Thanks for the answer... Grace to you!
 
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That's an interesting view... One that I wasn't expecting... So it sounds like you're not in favor of using a personal name for God at any time... Thanks for the answer... Grace to you!
Not so much that, because we all use personal names for God, ie: Almighty. Nothing wrong with that. Merely that all those are goodly titles because no man knows the true name of God except for God Himself.
 

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Not so much that, because we all use personal names for God, ie: Almighty. Nothing wrong with that. Merely that all those are goodly titles because no man knows the true name of God except for God Himself.
Oh OK, so using titles because only God knows his true name... Thanks for the answer... Grace!
 
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YHWH isn't God's proper name. It only means "I am who I am" much like Gods other glorious titles like The Almighty, The Creator, Lord of Lords, Lord of hosts, King of Kings, He Who is Righteous and True, etc. Since no one knows God's proper name they use titles like YHWH or The God instead. God does have a name though, but no one knows it save He himself.
Did not God tell Moses to use the above name when introducing himself to Israel and the elders of Israel...I AM hath sent thee...He used/uses it as a proper NAME


I MYSELF AM...the way, the truth and the life..
I MYSELF AM...the TRUE VINE
I MYSELF AM...THAT bread which came down from heaven

Etc.....
 
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Did not God tell Moses to use the above name when introducing himself to Israel and the elders of Israel...I AM hath sent thee...He used/uses it as a proper NAME


I MYSELF AM...the way, the truth and the life..
I MYSELF AM...the TRUE VINE
I MYSELF AM...THAT bread which came down from heaven

Etc.....
Aye indeed, but that doesn't make it God's actual name. Merely a statement that God is who He is. Remember too the time in which Moses lived and how Moses knew the people of Egypt would ask which god is his God. Therefore the answer that God says I Am Who I Am is the most appropriate as God is the only real God.

Don't forget Revelation my brother, how God has written on Him a name which only He alone knows.
 
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Not sure if chanting is proper word. But what I explained is ancient practice which eastern orthodoxes call as Jesus's prayer.

I do not like the phrase biblical. But it is biblical (as you use it), since apostol teach us to Pray without ceasing (1 Thessalonians 5:17)

And yes it is a basic tool = mystical gate to spiritial life of a christian (either monk or commoneur) in the east.
 
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Are you talking about 'chanting' Eastern Mysticism style?
And I also meant that the most effective (in practical usage) name for a christian is direct name of our Lord = Jesus Christ.

Another one is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But praying to Trinity is not so effective for most of us, as calling to Jesus = our only Meddiator.

While using YHWE (YHWH) now is the same as to switch a candle in presence of sun
 

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יהוה is from the Hebrew verb to be. It is transitive making it active in use, It is pronounced Yahweh or Yahve depending on the accent employed.

The name is taken from the infinitive and in the gerund or noun form. Being active it may only be employed in all honesty by One Who causes Himself to be, or is Self-Existing.

If one wishes to translate Yahweh completely to English, it actually means Self-Existing, and this is only fitting for the Only One Who is capable of accomplishing this act, that is, being Self-Existing.

This is not His name, it is just one of many titles. I like using the name Yahweh because it is closest to what I believe Abraham, our spiritual forefather, used.

Throughout the Old Testement when we see the word "Lord" in caps, it is Yahweh in Hebrew. However, many times in the New Testament when we see the word, Lord, it is also in reference to Yahweh. When you see the Old Testament quoted in the New, if the word, Lord, is quoted you will find it refers to Yahweh.

Again, Yahweh is not His name, it is a title. God may be used any time with respect, although the true origin of that word is not known by linguists.

It is believed to be rooted in Sanskrit, but this is conjecture at best. Used with respect to the Living Elohim, these titles are all just fine.


Jesus is a transliteratiion from the Latin, which was transliterated from the Greek, and in turn originated being transliterated from the Hebrew. The name,
ישוע, as we know it in Hebrew, was pronounced to Mary by the Angel who instructed her to call
His name Yeshua for He was to save His people. If you did not know before, now you do, His name may be translated into English completely as Salvation. Mary was to callo His name Salvation for he was to save His people. Now, you know who HIs people are, all who believe of the two flocks. Those are the two flocks joined together by the Good Shepherd.


When we arrive to the Kingdom, there will be one name used by all for our Maker, and until then, no man knows His name.

An important notation on the word name, in the Bible most often it does not refer to a name as we think today, rather it refers to a reputation, fame or reknown, thus His name is known throughout all the nations.

Consider the name, Jesus, and what it translates as, Salvation, and the name of Yahweh, Self-Existing! And it shall be in that time that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.

 
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Hi! I'm interested in hearing from people (or anyone else) who like to use some form of the of four letter name (yhwh) when talking or writing in English! (...)
'People or anyone else?' What do you mean? People or aliens? :rolleyes:
 
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YHWH isn't God's proper name. It only means "I am who I am" much like Gods other glorious titles like The Almighty, The Creator, Lord of Lords, Lord of hosts, King of Kings, He Who is Righteous and True, etc. Since no one knows God's proper name they use titles like YHWH or The God instead. God does have a name though, but no one knows it save He himself.
This isn't true. Anybody who knows Hebrew knows this is not true. YHWH is closer to 'he is'. Therefore the rest of what you say doesn't hold either.
 
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יהוה is from the Hebrew verb to be. It is transitive making it active in use, It is pronounced Yahweh or Yahve depending on the accent employed.

The name is taken from the infinitive and in the gerund or noun form. Being active it may only be employed in all honesty by One Who causes Himself to be, or is Self-Existing.

If one wishes to translate Yahweh completely to English, it actually means Self-Existing, and this is only fitting for the Only One Who is capable of accomplishing this act, that is, being Self-Existing.

This is not His name, it is just one of many titles. I like using the name Yahweh because it is closest to what I believe Abraham, our spiritual forefather, used.

Throughout the Old Testement when we see the word "Lord" in caps, it is Yahweh in Hebrew. However, many times in the New Testament when we see the word, Lord, it is also in reference to Yahweh. When you see the Old Testament quoted in the New, if the word, Lord, is quoted you will find it refers to Yahweh.

Again, Yahweh is not His name, it is a title. God may be used any time with respect, although the true origin of that word is not known by linguists.

It is believed to be rooted in Sanskrit, but this is conjecture at best. Used with respect to the Living Elohim, these titles are all just fine.


Jesus is a transliteratiion from the Latin, which was transliterated from the Greek, and in turn originated being transliterated from the Hebrew. The name,
ישוע, as we know it in Hebrew, was pronounced to Mary by the Angel who instructed her to call
His name Yeshua for He was to save His people. If you did not know before, now you do, His name may be translated into English completely as Salvation. Mary was to callo His name Salvation for he was to save His people. Now, you know who HIs people are, all who believe of the two flocks. Those are the two flocks joined together by the Good Shepherd.


When we arrive to the Kingdom, there will be one name used by all for our Maker, and until then, no man knows His name.

An important notation on the word name, in the Bible most often it does not refer to a name as we think today, rather it refers to a reputation, fame or reknown, thus His name is known throughout all the nations.

Consider the name, Jesus, and what it translates as, Salvation, and the name of Yahweh, Self-Existing! And it shall be in that time that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord will be saved.

Not sure why you think YHWH is a title. In Exo 6:3, God says it is his name.
 

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In the content of the post it is made clear the word, name or in Hebrew shem, does not just mean name. I did not post the word, shem or שם, within the text, but the meaning of name in Hebrew is explained. Really, it is there.

Not sure why you think YHWH is a title. In Exo 6:3, God says it is his name.
 
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In the content of the post it is made clear the word, name or in Hebrew shem, does not just mean name. I did not post the word, shem or שם, within the text, but the meaning of name in Hebrew is explained. Really, it is there.
It is a huge stretch to say the figurative use of shem is at play when it is used of oneself. God talks about his own name, not his reputation. It is a bit strange to say, my reputation is a word which is not particularly defined. Besides which we don't actually know the exact pointing of the word, so we can't definitively say it is transitive or not.

The post is full of rubbish - trying to be smart and definitive where there is nothing so definitive in the passage.
 

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Where are you coming from with your nasty categorization of what is a know fact. The word shem is used today for name, but it has always been defined in Hebrew as name, reknown, fame, reputation. Frankly, at the time of the of Abraham, it was more a matter of meaning what a person is called, for they were not names as defined by most in modern times, they were titles. Abram is honored father, Asher is blessed, Benjanin is son of the right hand and so on. Even our Lord was called Salvation. These were all attributes had or hoped for, for offspring. All languages began with such titles as opposed to names. It is tunnel vision to think names are as they are treated today by most, with no meaning to them, and no reason.

If you wish to call another's work rubbish, this is your level of character. I would prefer you were to keep these names to yourself if you cannot show your own research for what I have demonstrated for others in the spirit of dialogue and sharing.

May Yahweh bless you with a sense of brotherhood with the rest of the members of the Body of Yeshua. Do not dismiss the life's research of another as rubbish when you are not prepared to give a reasonble response.


It is a huge stretch to say the figurative use of shem is at play when it is used of oneself. God talks about his own name, not his reputation. It is a bit strange to say, my reputation is a word which is not particularly defined. Besides which we don't actually know the exact pointing of the word, so we can't definitively say it is transitive or not.

The post is full of rubbish - trying to be smart and definitive where there is nothing so definitive in the passage.
 
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Dan_473

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'People or anyone else?' What do you mean? People or aliens? :rolleyes:
Those who use the four letter name, or anyone else that wants to contribute... Typed on a tablet, to hard to go back and fix... I'm happy if I can just get all the words right... Once I had taproot instead of spirit... Didn't see it until after edit window closed... But sure, if some aliens want to contribute, that'd be great! Peace to you!