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God being the infinate all powerfull, all knowing, loving, living being whom through all things were created, including time, therefore knowing all things to happen throughout time as he stands outside of its barriers. Right. We all agree?

Why would he give us salvation knowing he would have to revoke it based on our own merit. The God I worship isn't an indian giver (pardon the expression.) Anybody that truly believes is saved. The most literal and easiest verses to interpet state that. The problem with the OSAS debate is that some misinterpret verses pertaining to eternal rewards as to salvation Or take teachings intended to speak about other spiritual matters as being proof of conditional security. A believers works are done in gratitude not because they are maintaining their vehicle of salvation.

God keeps me, He promissed too.
 
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God being the infinate all powerfull, all knowing, loving, living being whom through all things were created, including time, therefore knowing all things to happen throughout time as he stands outside of its barriers. Right. We all agree?

Why would he give us salvation knowing he would have to revoke it based on our own merit. The God I worship isn't an indian giver (pardon the expression.) Anybody that truly believes is saved. The most literal and easiest verses to interpet state that. The problem with the OSAS debate is that some misinterpret verses pertaining to eternal rewards as to salvation Or take teachings intended to speak about other spiritual matters as being proof of conditional security. A believers works are done in gratitude not because they are maintaining their vehicle of salvation.

God keeps me, He promissed too.
No verse says God keeps the Christian UNCONDITIONALLY. If a Christian falls away in unbelief he will be lost, God promises the disobedient will be lost, Rom 2:8,9

The one who believes (present tense) will be saved, but not the one who quits believing, Heb 4:11

The idea of "losing rewards" or "never really saved to begin with" are excuses offered up to try and replace the fact that verses do teach a Christian can fall away becoming lost.

Eph 2:10 God preordained Christians walk in good works. Mt 25 Christians are judged based upon their good works (or lack thereof). So it is not possible for one to be a Christian, not have any good works yet still be saved anyway. Good works cannot earn what God already gives for free but good works are a necessary condition God placed upon His free gift of salvation.
 
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God being the infinate all powerfull, all knowing, loving, living being whom through all things were created, including time, therefore knowing all things to happen throughout time as he stands outside of its barriers. Right. We all agree?

Why would he give us salvation knowing he would have to revoke it based on our own merit. The God I worship isn't an indian giver (pardon the expression.) Anybody that truly believes is saved. The most literal and easiest verses to interpet state that. The problem with the OSAS debate is that some misinterpret verses pertaining to eternal rewards as to salvation Or take teachings intended to speak about other spiritual matters as being proof of conditional security. A believers works are done in gratitude not because they are maintaining their vehicle of salvation.

God keeps me, He promissed too.
Let me ask you a question, would you punish your child today if you knew he was going to do wrong in the future? We all know our children will misbehave at times in their lives. Do we punish them now? No, we punish them when they misbehave. Why would it be any different with God? Why would He punish us now for something we may do in the future?

He's something else to consider, people change their minds. Someone may want to be a Christian now and change their mind later. If God said no you can't be a Christian now because you're going to turn away 20 years from now. all of that time would be lost. That person while desiring to be a Christian could lead many to Christ.

However, the real issue in OSAS is not about God it's about man. The question isn't what God does with salvation, it's what man does with it. Does he keep it or reject it?
 

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God being the infinate all powerfull, all knowing, loving, living being whom through all things were created, including time, therefore knowing all things to happen throughout time as he stands outside of its barriers. Right. We all agree?

Why would he give us salvation knowing he would have to revoke it based on our own merit. The God I worship isn't an indian giver (pardon the expression.) Anybody that truly believes is saved. The most literal and easiest verses to interpet state that. The problem with the OSAS debate is that some misinterpret verses pertaining to eternal rewards as to salvation Or take teachings intended to speak about other spiritual matters as being proof of conditional security. A believers works are done in gratitude not because they are maintaining their vehicle of salvation.

God keeps me, He promissed too.
Amen Kamaroo, Amen.
 
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No verse says God keeps the Christian UNCONDITIONALLY. If a Christian falls away in unbelief he will be lost, God promises the disobedient will be lost, Rom 2:8,9

The one who believes (present tense) will be saved, but not the one who quits believing, Heb 4:11

The idea of "losing rewards" or "never really saved to begin with" are excuses offered up to try and replace the fact that verses do teach a Christian can fall away becoming lost.

Eph 2:10 God preordained Christians walk in good works. Mt 25 Christians are judged based upon their good works (or lack thereof). So it is not possible for one to be a Christian, not have any good works yet still be saved anyway. Good works cannot earn what God already gives for free but good works are a necessary condition God placed upon His free gift of salvation.
Excellent reply
 
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God being the infinate all powerfull, all knowing, loving, living being whom through all things were created, including time, therefore knowing all things to happen throughout time as he stands outside of its barriers. Right. We all agree?

Why would he give us salvation knowing he would have to revoke it based on our own merit. The God I worship isn't an indian giver (pardon the expression.) Anybody that truly believes is saved. The most literal and easiest verses to interpet state that. The problem with the OSAS debate is that some misinterpret verses pertaining to eternal rewards as to salvation Or take teachings intended to speak about other spiritual matters as being proof of conditional security. A believers works are done in gratitude not because they are maintaining their vehicle of salvation.

God keeps me, He promissed too.
Salvation is a manifest state of being, it is not a package or thing given to you. You are speaking of salvation as something that is abstract.

Salvation is connected to being "saved from sin." Jesus Christ came to this Earth in order to save people from their sins. Jesus stated that He came to set people free indeed for being a slave to sin.

A slave to sin serves sin as their master. Sin rules over a sin slave. We are slaves to whom we obey either sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness.


Does it really make sense to believe that one can obey sin and be free from sin at the same time? Does a freed slave still serve their old master?

Here are the very words of Jesus...

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
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Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

Salvation is a manifest state of being. One cannot be "saved" and "still enslaved." One cannot serve two masters.

If an individual who has indeed been set free from the service of sin is to go back into the service of sin then they are clearly no longer saved from sin because they have enslaved themselves to its service once again.

All those who preach OSAS or Unconditional Eternal Security are preaching a false salvation experience because they must, by necessity, disconnect the salvation experience from an actual state of being. They salvation they speak of is mental construction with no bearing on actual reality whatsoever.
 
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Furthermore Jesus spoke of the Spirit as something which brings one to life or quickens.

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

A genuine Christian has gone from a state of death to a manifest living state...

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

God quickens us literally when we abide faithfully in His will, hence we are saved by grace through the working dynamic of faith. The resulting manifest state and the means to obtain it are gifts from God. Genuine salvation is not abstract or disconnected in any way from an actual transformation of the heart.

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

The words of God which are spirit and life which is what brings about the new birth when obey it via abiding in its truth.

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The quickening is a real manifest experience which is all but ignored in most theologies.

The false teachers and preachers ignore a genuine transformation of the heart taking place and preach this abstract salvation deception. It is from the framework of that deception that they then uphold further errors like OSAS and Unconditional Eternal Security.

Many people, to their ABSOLUTE HORROR, are going to stand before God utterly rejected because they rejected genuine salvation. Don't be one of them. The choice is yours!

Faithfully yielding to God's influence is something that WE do. Yes faith is a gift of God because it begins with all men being drawn through the light of conscience and other means, yet WE either respond to that call or reject that call. God does not make us do anything nor give us anything unconditionally.
 
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God being the infinate all powerfull, all knowing, loving, living being whom through all things were created, including time, therefore knowing all things to happen throughout time as he stands outside of its barriers. Right. We all agree?

Why would he give us salvation knowing he would have to revoke it based on our own merit. The God I worship isn't an indian giver (pardon the expression.) Anybody that truly believes is saved. The most literal and easiest verses to interpet state that. The problem with the OSAS debate is that some misinterpret verses pertaining to eternal rewards as to salvation Or take teachings intended to speak about other spiritual matters as being proof of conditional security. A believers works are done in gratitude not because they are maintaining their vehicle of salvation.

God keeps me, He promissed too.
Nowhere in all of Scriptures does it teach Once Saved You are always Saved, that is a teaching that comes from the hearts of men, based on a very few verses they misinterpret. Problem is, there are Hundreds of verses which teach contrary to OSAS teaching. such as 3 verses that plainly teach "He that endures to the end shall be Saved" Why do they have to endure if they are Always Saved? What happens if they do not endure to the End, are they still Saved? Hundreds of verses teach contrary to the false teaching OSAS. Do you believe you are covered by the Blood of Jesus and all your sins are forgiven (SAVED) examine this verse:
I John 1:7 But IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Why does it say IF? If a person gets saved, What does it matter how they walk, if they will always be Saved. But this verse clearly teaches that it does in fact matter how a person walks after they are SAVED.

What about all the verses which plainly teach that fornicators will NOT enter into Heaven. What if one is SAVED but is a fornicator.

What about the verse that says ALL LIARS will burn in the lake of fire and brimstone? (Rev 21:8) What if a person accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord, repents of their past sins when they do so, believes He is the Son of God yet they continue to lie and are judged as a LIAR. Now according to the Word of God ALL LIARS will burn, it does not say EXcept they be Saved.

Please i beg of anyone who believes the lie Once Saved Always Saved to read my article which Scripturally proves that to be a lie, and not from God. i'm telling you your immortality depends on finding out what the Truth is concerning this topic.

Once Saved Always Saved
 
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Nowhere in all of Scriptures does it teach Once Saved You are always Saved, that is a teaching that comes from the hearts of men, based on a very few verses they misinterpret. Problem is, there are Hundreds of verses which teach contrary to OSAS teaching. such as 3 verses that plainly teach "He that endures to the end shall be Saved" Why do they have to endure if they are Always Saved? What happens if they do not endure to the End, are they still Saved? Hundreds of verses teach contrary to the false teaching OSAS. Do you believe you are covered by the Blood of Jesus and all your sins are forgiven (SAVED) examine this verse:
I John 1:7 But IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Why does it say IF? If a person gets saved, What does it matter how they walk, if they will always be Saved. But this verse clearly teaches that it does in fact matter how a person walks after they are SAVED.

What about all the verses which plainly teach that fornicators will NOT enter into Heaven. What if one is SAVED but is a fornicator.

What about the verse that says ALL LIARS will burn in the lake of fire and brimstone? (Rev 21:8) What if a person accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord, repents of their past sins when they do so, believes He is the Son of God yet they continue to lie and are judged as a LIAR. Now according to the Word of God ALL LIARS will burn, it does not say EXcept they be Saved.

Please i beg of anyone who believes the lie Once Saved Always Saved to read my article which Scripturally proves that to be a lie, and not from God. i'm telling you your immortality depends on finding out what the Truth is concerning this topic.

Once Saved Always Saved
OSAS and biblical repentance do not agree.

OSAS says the Christian can lie yet not lose his salvation.
Biblical repentance requires the Christian to repent or perish, Lk 13:3,5.
 

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OSAS and biblical repentance do not agree.

OSAS says the Christian can lie yet not lose his salvation.
Biblical repentance requires the Christian to repent or perish, Lk 13:3,5.
Biblical repentace is granted when a Christian repents and ceases from that which they are repenting of.

A man comes home and beats his wife afterwards he repents of it and tells her sorry
The next night he comes home and beats his wife again, and again repents of it and tells her sorry
This he does almost every night and every time he beats his wife, he repents of it.
How sorry is he, even though he repents of it, if he continues to do it?
A person who is Truly sorry or Truly repents of a particular sin, will do all they can to cease from ever doing that sin again, if they are Truly sorry for that sin that IS what they would do.

A person who prays to God, God please forgive me for ____________. Amen. Yet they continue to do that very sin over and over and over again without ever ceasing from it. Is NOT forgiven, their heart is not right with God.

A person who prays to God, God please forgive me for ____________, i will try with all my strength to not do it again. Amen. And they cease to do that very sin again IS forgiven, their heart is right with God.

A person with a True Repentant Heart is one who is forgiven. Anyone can repent of a particular sin and not cease from it.

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I could go on for days but here's a little scripture to support my belief.
John 10:27-30
Romans 8:38-39
Ephesians 1:13-14
2 Corinthians 1:21-22
Colossians 2:13-14
Hebrews 10:14

The idea that anybody can ever cease to sin in this flesh is hard for me to grasp. Even our thoughts condemn us. I'm going to rely on Christ's finished work for salvation. Being a true believer I bear fruits of repentance through His grace, not my own will. I will cast my crowns at his feet because it was Him working in me. My deeds are gratitude, not merit.

We don't "choose" to be a Christian. That's where mans religion trips us up. We are Christian because of the Holy Spirits work in our life and heart.

Im gonna run the race by Grace alone. God alone saves, the Gospel comes against mans pride, the Good News is we have access by faith. Establishing a covenant of grace plus works would be more impossible for man to fulfill than the original law. Anybody who says we can stop sinning completely really needs to examine every aspect of themselfs. I rely on Gods grace and mercy everyday. Without it Id be building a house on the sand...
 
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The only way sin is connected to salvation is when a person decides to choose sin instead of Christ.

Our salvation is like a marriage contract with the Lord. We agree to be His bride. There are a few rules we can break that will break this relationship, but few. However, we can choose to be a good marriage partner or a poor one, depending on our actions.
 

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I could go on for days but here's a little scripture to support my belief.
John 10:27-30
Romans 8:38-39
Ephesians 1:13-14
2 Corinthians 1:21-22
Colossians 2:13-14
Hebrews 10:14

The idea that anybody can ever cease to sin in this flesh is hard for me to grasp.
And yet the entire Bible and Jesus Himself teaches us to do so. Jesus told a man and a woman to "Go and sin no more" Why would He tell them to do something that was impossible to do? Men think it impossible, but with God ALL things are possible. Please, please read my article on my website concerning sinning. Your eternal life may depend on it.

Even our thoughts condemn us.
There are three types of sins according to Scriptures
1) Sins unto Death = sins that are knowingly and willingly committed, even though you know they are sinful, and do them anyways.
2) Sins not unto Death =sins that are UNknowingly and/ UNwillingly committed, not on purpose, accidentally, or thought that pop into a persons head.
3) Sins not forgiven unto man = blaspheme of the Holy Ghost.

a bad thought that comes upon a person is from satan, this is not a sin unto death, it only becomes a sin unto death when you realize it is an evil thought, and continue to dwell upon it anyways, instead of getting rid of such thoughts. Everyone is tempted to commit sin, even Jesus was. This is not what is a sin unto death.

I'm going to rely on Christ's finished work for salvation. Being a true believer I bear fruits of repentance through His grace, not my own will. I will cast my crowns at his feet because it was Him working in me. My deeds are gratitude, not merit.
You say "Not your own will. So tell me, if you were to choose to knowingly and willingly commit a sin, whose will is that? Is it not your own will that chooses to willingly sin against Jesus Christ when you choose to commit sins that you KNOW is sinful yet do them anyways?

You say "I will cast my crowns at his feet because it was Him working in me" Tell me, who is working in you when you choose to commit a sinful deed? Choose to do what you know is sinful and against the teachings of Jesus? Can a person have Jesus AND satan working in them at the same time? Is it not written that who you obey is who your master is? if then a person chooses to obey satan which tempted them to sin, who according to the Bible is that person master? Or do you believe like most of this last days generation that Jesus can live in you, yet you can obey satan and be just fine, as long as you CLAIM Jesus is in you? All of Scriptures teaches us how NOT to obey satan. i do not knowingly and willingly commit any sin against my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, do you know how i am able to do that, because Jesus lives in me, He is my strength against EVERY temptation that satan throws at me, Jesus is my Power against satan. whenever i am tempted to commit any sinful thing, i look to Jesus to help me. Isn't there are verse that teaches there is no temptation that comes upon a person that is so powerful they can't overcome it, and that Jesus allows a path out of EVERY Temptation. Yes. I Cor 10:13. i could not do it without Him.

We don't "choose" to be a Christian. That's where mans religion trips us up. We are Christian because of the Holy Spirits work in our life and heart.
That is so True, but know this, it is willful sinning that prevents the Holy Ghosts work in a persons life. As long as a person is living in sins (not ceasing from them) they will not grow Spiritually.

Im gonna run the race by Grace alone.
know you not that the Grace of God is upon ALL humans. even the atheist is under the Grace of God. Think about it. if it were up to satan he would kill ever atheist right now, because as long as an atheist lives, there is a chance he can be reached and become a believer in God. It is the Grace of God that allows all unbelievers to live another day, it is the Grace of God that allows all back-sliders (those living in sin) to repent and cease from back-sliding. Grace of God is not exclusive to those who profess to be Saved, Anyone Alive is under the Grace of God.

God alone saves, the Gospel comes against mans pride, the Good News is we have access by faith. Establishing a covenant of grace plus works would be more impossible for man to fulfill than the original law. Anybody who says we can stop sinning completely really needs to examine every aspect of themselfs.
Well then that would be Jesus Himself, That would be King David which it is written In EVERYTHING David did it pleased God, except the case of the Hittite, as it is written. The man who was diseased and crippled in the NT was that way for 38 years and Jesus told him to "Go and sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon thee" WOW, wonder if that man ever sinned again? Would you if Jesus said that to you? This generation thinks it is impossible to stop obeying satan and committing sins. No wander the Bible says Many are Called, but only a few are chosen. No wander it teaches that there will be people in those days that say" Lord, Lord have we not gone to church every Sunday for you, have we not professed to be a Christian and He will say to them, "I do not know you, those who continue to live in sin" You choose who your master is by who you choose to obey. To walk the narrow and difficult path is not like easy Christianity today, It's not easy to be a True Christian, it is extremely hard, very difficult, and only a very few people will actually do it, these are they that the Kingdom of Heaven desires to make citizens of Heaven. These are they that God will adopt to be a part of God. Those who continue to live in sins and still think they are Heaven bound are deceived and tricked. They believe the teachings of men and not what Scriptures teach. Many in this generation will not accept this meat, they will spit it out.


I rely on Gods grace and mercy everyday. Without it Id be building a house on the sand...
Ironic you use the parable of the house on the sand. Reread it, those who do not obey Jesus Christ and His teachings are they that built the house on sand. Yet this generation believes they do not have to OBEY Jesus and His Teachings but their house will stand, they think their house is on stone, not knowing it is built on sand, there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth when all those supposedly Christians house is destroyed, all because they did not obey the teaching of Jesus Christ. which is namely LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Those who do not LOVE ONE ANOTHER will not enter into His Kingdom, and it does not matter what they say with their mouths "I'm Saved", "I'm under Grace" , "I Believe", or "I'm under the blood of Jesus. Do you know who, according to the Bible is under the blood of Jesus?

I John 1:7 But if
(Conditional) we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Who? Who are cleansed by His Blood? Those who are walking in the light AS JESUS DID. i assure you those who knowingly and willingly commit sins are NOT walking in the light as Jesus did. NOT. Let the Word of God be True, and what we think to be True a lie.

Question is, all those who read this entire post, are you going to go to prayer and to the Scriptures to see if these things i say are true or not? Or continue to be feed with sugar milk and think you are on the right difficult and narrow path?

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Isaiah 43:25

25 “I, even I, am he who blots out
your transgressions, for my own sake,
and remembers your sins no more.


Two words......................

HAVE FAITH!
 
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Biblical repentace is granted when a Christian repents and ceases from that which they are repenting of.

A man comes home and beats his wife afterwards he repents of it and tells her sorry
The next night he comes home and beats his wife again, and again repents of it and tells her sorry
This he does almost every night and every time he beats his wife, he repents of it.
How sorry is he, even though he repents of it, if he continues to do it?
A person who is Truly sorry or Truly repents of a particular sin, will do all they can to cease from ever doing that sin again, if they are Truly sorry for that sin that IS what they would do.

A person who prays to God, God please forgive me for ____________. Amen. Yet they continue to do that very sin over and over and over again without ever ceasing from it. Is NOT forgiven, their heart is not right with God.

A person who prays to God, God please forgive me for ____________, i will try with all my strength to not do it again. Amen. And they cease to do that very sin again IS forgiven, their heart is right with God.

A person with a True Repentant Heart is one who is forgiven. Anyone can repent of a particular sin and not cease from it.

^i^
So the issue is can a Christian remain IMPENITENT of his sins yet be saved anyway?
 

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If man cannot save himself where would get the authority to un-save himself?

A man cannot be impenitent and be saved in the first place. Salvation is surrendering to God your sin and allowing God to save you. Relapses are unavoidable but forgiven as all the sinners sin is under the blood of Christ. The blood of Christ pleads for us before God for all of eternity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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i have a Strong Deliverer and Advocate in Jesus Christ!!
 
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If man cannot save himself where would get the authority to un-save himself?

A man cannot be impenitent and be saved in the first place. Salvation is surrendering to God your sin and allowing God to save you. Relapses are unavoidable but forgiven as all the sinners sin is under the blood of Christ. The blood of Christ pleads for us before God for all of eternity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Man does have a role in his own salvation that is why Peter told his hearers to "save yourselves" Paul told Timothy to "save thyself" and Paul said to 'work out your own salvation'. 2 Cor 7:1 Paul commanded them to "cleanse yourselves". 1 Pet 1:22 Peter said 'seeing ye have purified your own souls'.

So if a man does not continue to fulfill his role (repent) he can be lost.
 

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boat capsized at sea? coast guard sent to rescue you?

your role in rescue from drowning:

  • take hold of the Life Preserver
  • do not jump out of the helicopter as it takes you to safety
 

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Man does have a role in his own salvation that is why Peter told his hearers to "save yourselves" Paul told Timothy to "save thyself" and Paul said to 'work out your own salvation'. 2 Cor 7:1 Paul commanded them to "cleanse yourselves". 1 Pet 1:22 Peter said 'seeing ye have purified your own souls'.

So if a man does not continue to fulfill his role (repent) he can be lost.
Have ever heard the phrase willful blindness?

Man cannot undo what God has done. If you could only understand Gods grace you would see how capricious your statements make you appear. James did say that the double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Saved by grace and kept by works is the classic example of double mindedness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger