Three Words From Our Lord

[jag1977]

He wanted her to see them or Him? What's that mean?

You are still denying it!

This may seem off topic but I assure you it is not....

When you completely understand why these are different and what the verse itself means:

Rev 1:11 I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last

Then you will understand this:

Because he wanted her to see hem.

 

[Allin]

You are still denying it!

This may seem off topic but I assure you it is not....

When you completely understand why these are different and what the verse itself means:

Rev 1:11 I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last

Then you will understand this:

Because he wanted her to see hem.

I'm not denying anything. I'm asking you what you mean by saying that Jesus told the woman to sin no more because He wanted her to see Him. How would you explain that to a simple person or a babe in Christ?

 

[jag1977]

Put it this way...he removed her from servitude by removing her from her master's control then put it into a parable to show what he did for her but not showing anyone how he did it and my post was HEM not HIM.

 

[Allin]

Put it this way...he removed her from servitude by removing her from her master's control then put it into a parable to show what he did for her but not showing anyone how he did it and my post was HEM not HIM.

I see. In the movie 'The Passion', the only scene I liked was this one. If you've seen the movie, then you know what I'm talking about: it was in slow motion, and the men dropped their rocks and walked off. This woman reaches across gratefully and grabs hold of Jesus' feet. It was a really well done scene.

 

[BradC]

Now the question that has me pondering, did she trully understand why He told her this. Interesting enough Jesus did not take upon him to pronounce any sentence of condemnation on her; but called her to repentance, and, as the merciful and compassionate Saviour, gave her reason to hope pardon and eternal life.

God Bless

Because of the law and its condemnation of sin, she probably had never been given grace or even tasted it until the Lord condemned her not. Her sin was probably strengthened by the law (1 Cor 15:56) with no place to turn to be forgiven or delivered from the guilt of her sin.

This is my opinion. Jesus made sure that all her accusers and judges of the law were gone from the temple being convicted in their conscience of their own sin from the eldest to the last to make sure that she would be able to receive his words of grace and live without any condemnation. Jesus gave her the greatest expression of why He came which was not to condemn and in that no condemnation He could tell her that she was free to go from the temple forgiven and not judged by the law, and no longer would she have to be under the dominion and strength of her sin through the law.

 

[2Thewaters]

Sin no more.

You must be a puritan.

This issue is what split america from england.
The Puritans knew once saved always saved keep on sinning was not Gods way and the church of England persecuted them to death so they started a GO AND SIN NO MORE COUNTRY in america, Gods country.

looks like the british have invaded and taken over america again and the puritans (go and sin no more) will be again hunted down and killed
For
the church of england said:
The puritans have NO RESPECT FOR KING AND COUNTRY and must be eliminated

people dont LIKE yo to tell them their religion is false and they need to repent

 

[jag1977]

I see. In the movie 'The Passion', the only scene I liked was this one. If you've seen the movie, then you know what I'm talking about: it was in slow motion, and the men dropped their rocks and walked off. This woman reaches across gratefully and grabs hold of Jesus' feet. It was a really well done scene.

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I posted to the wrong thread earlier,

 

[oldthennew]

our Lord was leading her to repent of her adultery and not do it anymore,
this is 'repentance', when we turn from sin and return not to it.

in like manner in the OT, David was led to repent and therefore we have
Psalm 51 to bear witness of this.
God, led him to repent and he wrote this Psalm through The Spirit,
therefore David was worshipping his God through loving repentance.

 

[JaumeJ]

At one time or another we all make personal reference to Psalm 51. This Psalm has comforted me more than one time. The greatest comfort it has given me was when my own heart was broken due to the suicide of a dear one........ I recomend reading this Psalm for many reasons. Thank you for sharing this.

our Lord was leading her to repent of her adultery and not do it anymore,
this is 'repentance', when we turn from sin and return not to it.

in like manner in the OT, David was led to repent and therefore we have
Psalm 51 to bear witness of this.
God, led him to repent and he wrote this Psalm through The Spirit,
therefore David was worshipping his God through loving repentance.

 

[BradC]

Sin no more.

Sin has been judged and paid for through the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and that is the gospel we are commanded to teach and preach in all the world among all nations, including Israel. Our message is not, 'sin no more', and Peter never preached it at Pentecost. Our message is to repent of unbelief and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ and him crucified that you might be cleansed and forgiven of all sin. This gospel does not make a provision for sin but shows what Christ did to sin when he condemned sin in his flesh, something the law could never do.

God sent his Son into the world, not to condemn the world because of sin, but to put away sin that the whole world through his Son might be saved and not perish. Jesus took care of the sin issue and has given us the Spirit that we might walk in and live by not fulfilling the lust of the flesh. We no longer have to keep the law because Christ fulfilled the law and crucified all sin, even the sin that transgressed the law. We rather keep ourselves in the love of God and build ourselves up in the most holy faith and in all the promises of God that come by faith. We grow in grace and knowledge of Christ and walk in the light that we have been given through the word and the Spirit. The law of the Spirit of life shall make us free from the law of sin and death.

 

[RedTent]

Sin has been judged and paid for through the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and that is the gospel we are commanded to teach and preach in all the world among all nations, including Israel. Our message is not, 'sin no more', and Peter never preached it at Pentecost. Our message is to repent of unbelief and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ and him crucified that you might be cleansed and forgiven of all sin. This gospel does not make a provision for sin but shows what Christ did to sin when he condemned sin in his flesh, something the law could never do.

God sent his Son into the world, not to condemn the world because of sin, but to put away sin that the whole world through his Son might be saved and not perish. Jesus took care of the sin issue and has given us the Spirit that we might walk in and live by not fulfilling the lust of the flesh. We no longer have to keep the law because Christ fulfilled the law and crucified all sin, even the sin that transgressed the law. We rather keep ourselves in the love of God and build ourselves up in the most holy faith and in all the promises of God that come by faith. We grow in grace and knowledge of Christ and walk in the light that we have been given through the word and the Spirit. The law of the Spirit of life shall make us free from the law of sin and death.

You are not making sense. You say we should walk in the light as the spirit leads us, yet we are to ignore that Christ said to obey as a sign of love for Him. We have been freed from that, you say, when Christ died for our sins. How can we say I refuse to hear anything that explains what we are free from and still walk in the light? The Holy Spirit gives us understanding of what we read, and you keep saying don't read any of it, it isn't for us to know what to stay away from.

 

[dcontroversal]

I thought Jesus said, "Where are now thine accusers?.... Neither do I accuse thee...GO and SIN NO MORE"..........

 

[Billyd]

If you know why He told her to sin no more, would you please tell us?

I'm not Vic, but the only statement that Jesus made directly with the words "sin no more" was in John 5:14. He added the words "lest a worse thing come upon you". If you apply the same words to both 5:14 and 8:11, he was saying that returning to the sin that he had forgiven carried worst consequences than they were being subjected to at the time. What the consequences were is not listed thus leaving the rest of the story to interpretation.

When I gave my life to Christ, he forgave my sins. When I repeat one today, I reap the earthly consequences, even if I repented of the sin.

The greater lesson in both stories comes from the interaction of Jesus and the other people around. He was demonstrating to them the futility of obeying the current interpretations of the law. Even those who were interpreting it couldn't obey it.

 

[crossnote]

Sin no more.

It's actually two words...
"μηκετι αμαρτανε" (G3371 G264)

 

[BradC]

You are not making sense. You say we should walk in the light as the spirit leads us, yet we are to ignore that Christ said to obey as a sign of love for Him. We have been freed from that, you say, when Christ died for our sins. How can we say I refuse to hear anything that explains what we are free from and still walk in the light? The Holy Spirit gives us understanding of what we read, and you keep saying don't read any of it, it isn't for us to know what to stay away from.

RedTent, I have never said anything of the sort referring to your last comment because of (2 Tim 3:16). We have to also be able to rightly divide the word according to (2 Tim 2:15). I have never said nor have I ever believed that the scriptures can be broken (John 10:35) but they must be rightly divided especially concerning the two covenants, law and grace and the body of Israel vs the body of the church. We must recognize what the law was given for and the weaknesses of the law and what it can not do nor was meant to do (Rom 8:3, Gal 3:19-29, Rom 3:19-22). We must understand what it means to be under the law and as a NT believer to be under grace (Rom 6:14-18).

We need to have an understanding of what Christ did to the law through his death, burial and resurrection, making an end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes (Rom 10:4). It also needs to be understood how the strength of sin is in the law (1 Cor 15:56) and that we have been delivered from the law that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter (Rom 7:6) and why the letter kills and the Spirit gives life (2 Cor 3:6). These scriptures are written for our instruction in righteousness as to how we are to live and serve and for our correction and reproof when we get off and or are lead astray.

What do you think the Lord meant when giving this parable in (Luke 5:35-39)...

35 But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.
36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

... and what is the meaning of the following passage in (2 Cor 3:6-18) and how does it relate to the NT believer in Christ?

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

 

[Brother_Don]

In Ephesians we are told not to sin even in anger, so i don't believe we have an excuse to sin. The Word plainly says not to sin, i'm not saying i don't ever sin, but when i do i get struck with bolt of lightning, and repent. Just a figure of speech saying struck by lightning. Ephesians 4:27-32, Neither give place to the devil. Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

 

[BradC]

In Ephesians we are told not to sin even in anger, so i don't believe we have an excuse to sin. The Word plainly says not to sin, i'm not saying i don't ever sin, but when i do i get struck with bolt of lightning, and repent. Just a figure of speech saying struck by lightning. Ephesians 4:27-32, Neither give place to the devil. Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

That is what we are and how we are to live as a NT believer who has been made a new creature in Christ and put under grace. We are no under the law to live that way but under grace. Grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lust and to live righteously and soberly in this present evil world. God has given us the Holy Spirit through that grace to enable us to do it and live that way, not under the law but under grace. It is through the great and precious promises of God that have been given unto us by the Spirit that enables us to escape the corruption that is in the world through lust (2 Peter 1:4), not the law.

JaumeJ, will you like this post because it is the truth or do you reject it because it came from me? It's in your Bible and you have to live by every word (Matt 4:4, Deut 8:3) as the rest of us do. Are you going to neglect the word and suit only what you favor according to the law or are you going to accept what we have been given by promise through the finished work of the cross and that includes the end of the law? We have as NT believers the promises of God that have come through the new covenant blood of the cross. We live by promise and not by the law?

We do as Abraham (before the law) and stagger not through unbelief at the promises that God has given, for by the promises of God is His righteousness imputed without works but also imparted unto us by the works of righteousness (1 Jn 2:29, 3:7,10). We are a new creation in God, created in righteousness and true holiness (Eph 4:24), and live by faith in the promises of God, which are which are in Christ and all of them are YEA and none of them are NAY(Rom 5:1, 2 Cor 1:20) and they are not according to the law of commandments. We are commanded to live by promise and not the law. The law was added because of transgressions (Gal 3:19), have fun living under that! We live by promise in the living God, with a purged conscience from the dead works of the law (Heb 9:14) so that we can serve the living God without fear (Psalm 23:4, Luke 1:74, 1 John 4:18, 2 Tim 1:7).

 

[JaumeJ]

As it happens, I have opened your post because it is after our brother, Don's, and I felt it necessary.

If you do not mind my repeating what I have posted, and what you have now posted, in my own understanding.

Abraham believed Yahweh, and his faith was given to him as righteousness, just as is ours in believing Yeshua. Righteousness is the same as good works. I made the error of giving too much credit to others once by saying Abrahams belief was imputed to him as righteousness because I understand this to be so. Oh the lambasting in return with not attempt to see with the heart.

Since that time, the teachings were given through Moses. The teachings, or Torah, include the laws. All of those good and bad ones. If we listen and hear Yeshua with our hearts we know where mercy is to replace a law, and eye for an eye, death by stoning for infractions, eat this, do not eat that, yes, bby His Example and teaching we know the difference. The good laws will always be good, or shall we sin more so that grace will abound? God forbid.

Yes, with the infilling of the Holy Spirit, we do the law by nature, but it is always nice, profitable and good to be able to refer to them should we ever need refreshing from what we have learned from our former tutor..........the law. No one who does this, and knows Yeshua, would ever entertain the idea of ignoring what is good conduct because of grace, no, they are more meticulous not to step on the Salvation the is Yeshua, His Blood.

As for my not responding to any particular post of yours, generally I do not see them, I must open it to see it. This is because of past contention and what I consider as ignoring what I have to reply. Yahweh bless you always.........

That is what we are and how we are to live as a NT believer who has been made a new creature in Christ and put under grace. We are no under the law to live that way but under grace. Grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lust and to live righteously and soberly in this present evil world. God has given us the Holy Spirit through that grace to enable us to do it and live that way, not under the law but under grace. It is through the great and precious promises of God that have been given unto us by the Spirit that enables us to escape the corruption that is in the world through lust (2 Peter 1:4), not the law.

JaumeJ, will you like this post because it is the truth or do you reject it because it came from me? It's in your Bible and you have to live by every word (Matt 4:4, Deut 8:3) as the rest of us do. Are you going to neglect the word and suit only what you favor according to the law or are you going to accept what we have been given by promise through the finished work of the cross and that includes the end of the law? We have as NT believers the promises of God that have come through the new covenant blood of the cross. We live by promise and not by the law?

We do as Abraham (before the law) and stagger not through unbelief at the promises that God has given, for by the promises of God is His righteousness imputed without works but also imparted unto us by the works of righteousness (1 Jn 2:29, 3:7,10). We are a new creation in God, created in righteousness and true holiness (Eph 4:24), and live by faith in the promises of God, which are which are in Christ and all of them are YEA and none of them are NAY(Rom 5:1, 2 Cor 1:20) and they are not according to the law of commandments. We are commanded to live by promise and not the law. The law was added because of transgressions (Gal 3:19), have fun living under that! We live by promise in the living God, with a purged conscience from the dead works of the law (Heb 9:14) so that we can serve the living God without fear (Psalm 23:4, Luke 1:74, 1 John 4:18, 2 Tim 1:7).

 

[2Thewaters]

Sin no more.

That is the gospel...

and only those who believe THAT are going to heaven.

you have to believe it by the blood of Jesus that you wont sin anymore
that through all things you can be a victor.
an overcomer of sin

NEW CONCEPT to some
OLD TIME RELIGION to us old folks

new people have never heard of such a thing since most churches don't know the gospel anymore.

 

[2Thewaters]

what must I do to be saved?

Well, stop being selfish, give all your money to the poor and come follow me doing every moment of your life more works for the poor every day

new concept alright.

did you know there will be no rich men in heaven?
none

there will be no millionaires in heaven. No lawyers , no politicians, and very few doctors
there will be lots and lots of peasants there.