Five theologies of inspiration.

There are five common views of inspiration within "Christiandom"

1. The Catholic view: The Catholic view is dominated by two things. First a view of scripture as the prima fidei, the primary guide of Christian faith and practice, as opposed to sole fidei, the sole guide, a view held by most Protestants and Independents. This view allows for extra-biblical sources of spiritual guidance. Second, a high view of the church hierarchy as an authoritative guide to the interpretation of scripture.
2. The Liberal-Critical view: This view is that inspiration occured primarily between God and the original human authors, but then was mixed with the thoughts and ideas of the writer, sometimes purposefully and sometimes accidentally. This view believes that there is within the Bible a kerygma or seed of Truth that must be separated from the husk. In this view, the Truth is often found within stories which are metaphoric, the truth being the moral of the story. In this view, the Bible contains the Word of God.
3. The Neo-Orthodox view: This view is that the truths of God cannot be expressed verbally, but must be felt. This believes that inspiration occurs at the reading of the Word and is not dependant upon the inerrancy or veracity of scripture. It views all heartfelt interpretation of scripture as equally authoritative. It often share methodology with the Liberal-Critical view. In this view, the Bible becomes the Word of God.
4. The Conservative view: This view believes that the Holy Spirit so moved upon the writes that, using their individual words and styles, the end result was the Word of God. In this view, inspiration occurs within the original manuscripts. It views the original work as being objectively authoritative.
5. The Spiritual view: This view accepts the subjective authority of scripture and believes that the Word of God is only inspired as it is combined with the work of the Holy Spirit on the heart of the believer. Outside of that internal inspiration, the Bible is inert and meaningless.
I am of the conservative view. What is your opinion and what would you add in defense of your doctrine of inspiration.
"All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

[Lad]

im a conservative also, but would have no defense lol

This is the second thread that I started about the inspiration and (eventually ) interpretation.

For those that have been discussing my first thread, I am moving this on up.

[Thaddaeus]

Originally Posted by charisenexcelcis

There are five common views of inspiration within "Christiandom"

1. The Catholic view: The Catholic view is dominated by two things. First a view of scripture as the prima fidei, the primary guide of Christian faith and practice, as opposed to sole fidei, the sole guide, a view held by most Protestants and Independents. This view allows for extra-biblical sources of spiritual guidance. Second, a high view of the church hierarchy as an authoritative guide to the interpretation of scripture.
2. The Liberal-Critical view: This view is that inspiration occured primarily between God and the original human authors, but then was mixed with the thoughts and ideas of the writer, sometimes purposefully and sometimes accidentally. This view believes that there is within the Bible a kerygma or seed of Truth that must be separated from the husk. In this view, the Truth is often found within stories which are metaphoric, the truth being the moral of the story. In this view, the Bible contains the Word of God.
3. The Neo-Orthodox view: This view is that the truths of God cannot be expressed verbally, but must be felt. This believes that inspiration occurs at the reading of the Word and is not dependant upon the inerrancy or veracity of scripture. It views all heartfelt interpretation of scripture as equally authoritative. It often share methodology with the Liberal-Critical view. In this view, the Bible becomes the Word of God.
4. The Conservative view: This view believes that the Holy Spirit so moved upon the writes that, using their individual words and styles, the end result was the Word of God. In this view, inspiration occurs within the original manuscripts. It views the original work as being objectively authoritative.
5. The Spiritual view: This view accepts the subjective authority of scripture and believes that the Word of God is only inspired as it is combined with the work of the Holy Spirit on the heart of the believer. Outside of that internal inspiration, the Bible is inert and meaningless.
I am of the conservative view. What is your opinion and what would you add in defense of your doctrine of inspiration.
"All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

But do we have the orginal Manuscripts ?????? if Not, as most scholars teaches than God would had to inspire another writer beyond the orginal writer in order to preserve His Word which one of the common views does this fall under??

[Lad]

i believe thats the

Pastor Keith View

[pickles]

I can only speak for what I have learned through insperation while reading the scriptures. God Our Father created all. So all we know, see, do and believe is by God Our Father, through his will, to his Glory. Made available to us now because of Our Lord Jesus , through his Holy Spirit.
Thats how I can best articulate it.
God bless, pickles

[greatkraw]

Amos 8:11"Behold, the days come," saith the Lord GOD, "that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD.

Originally Posted by Thaddaeus

But do we have the orginal Manuscripts ?????? if Not, as most scholars teaches than God would had to inspire another writer beyond the orginal writer in order to preserve His Word which one of the common views does this fall under??

I do not deny that God had a hand in the preservation of His Word. I do not believe that it is inspiration. This work of God in preservation is proven even in the comparison of the Authorized Version and the modern versions. What is remarkable aren't the few differences, but the vast body of agreement.

[Thaddaeus]

Originally Posted by greatkraw

Amos 8:11"Behold, the days come," saith the Lord GOD, "that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD.

those days has already come it was known as the 400 years between the old testament and the new testament

[Thaddaeus]

Originally Posted by charisenexcelcis

I do not deny that God had a hand in the preservation of His Word. I do not believe that it is inspiration. This work of God in preservation is proven even in the comparison of the Authorized Version and the modern versions. What is remarkable aren't the few differences, but the vast body of agreement.

a little leaven will leaven the whole lump!!!

[Thaddaeus]

Originally Posted by Lad

i believe thats the

Pastor Keith View

then that is one that I hang to. God can inspired people today, look at all the songs that have been written, since the orginal manuscripts were wrote. or do you hold the same belief as Calvin, that it should be psalm only that are used in todays' service, but these are written as songs and many are inspired by the doctrines that the writers believe , and not all of them are true doctrines, but these are songs not the Holy Word of God

[Lad]

No i believe any work of any person is made possible by the gifts the Holy Spirit gives but the Holy Spirit 'inspired' the Word of God so whats in the Bible is what the Spirit himself says not what man says

[machew]

I'm a combination of Conservative and Spiritual. Spiritual out of necessity because we aren't reading the original manuscripts, Conservative simply because the original work is the one and only authoritative version.

Originally Posted by Thaddaeus

then that is one that I hang to. God can inspired people today, look at all the songs that have been written, since the orginal manuscripts were wrote. or do you hold the same belief as Calvin, that it should be psalm only that are used in todays' service, but these are written as songs and many are inspired by the doctrines that the writers believe , and not all of them are true doctrines, but these are songs not the Holy Word of God

And here is the problem: you are equating the inspiration of scripture to common inspiration. I am glad you saw enough of the error of your logic to modify it half-way, but you see the risk in making the reader or the translator on equal ground with the original.

Originally Posted by Thaddaeus

a little leaven will leaven the whole lump!!!

If you apply this to the KJV, then one error, one compromise makes it useless. Believe me that can be found. Your confidence in the KJV must be based upon your confidence in God's preservation of His Word, rather than that they are inspired.

[pickles]

Originally Posted by charisenexcelcis

If you apply this to the KJV, then one error, one compromise makes it useless. Believe me that can be found. Your confidence in the KJV must be based upon your confidence in God's preservation of His Word, rather than that they are inspired.

I see your point here. But should not one read the word always with absolute faith in Our Lord God? If not, then why read. To read the word is to trust all to God Our Father, through Our Lord Jesus, with full faith by his Holy Spirit?
I agree that his word may have been changed by some in translation. But should we not have full confidence that Our Father in heaven will not fail us? Even in our own weakness he will be glorified.
I dont know how to catagorize, but I do know that by faith, he is at my right hand, and all is provided in his truth.

[machew]

Originally Posted by pickles

I see your point here. But should not one read the word always with absolute faith in Our Lord God? If not, then why read. To read the word is to trust all to God Our Father, through Our Lord Jesus, with full faith by his Holy Spirit?
I agree that his word may have been changed by some in translation. But should we not have full confidence that Our Father in heaven will not fail us? Even in our own weakness he will be glorified.
I dont know how to catagorize, but I do know that by faith, he is at my right hand, and all is provided in his truth.

Yep that's why when Jesus ascended to heaven to His Father, He sent the Holy Spirit. We need the Holy Spirit to even have an elementary understanding of the Bible.

John 14:26(NASB)(emphasis mine)

26"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

John 16:13-14(NASB)(emphasis mine)

13"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
14"He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.

Originally Posted by pickles

I see your point here. But should not one read the word always with absolute faith in Our Lord God? If not, then why read. To read the word is to trust all to God Our Father, through Our Lord Jesus, with full faith by his Holy Spirit?
I agree that his word may have been changed by some in translation. But should we not have full confidence that Our Father in heaven will not fail us? Even in our own weakness he will be glorified.
I dont know how to catagorize, but I do know that by faith, he is at my right hand, and all is provided in his truth.

We can have confidence. this must be maintained in a practical and a spiritual way. Spiritual in that we believe in God's preservation of His Word, and the illumination of the Spirit. Practically by maintaining scholarship in the original languages and in the manuscripts.

[pickles]

Originally Posted by charisenexcelcis

We can have confidence. this must be maintained in a practical and a spiritual way. Spiritual in that we believe in God's preservation of His Word, and the illumination of the Spirit. Practically by maintaining scholarship in the original languages and in the manuscripts.

Thankyou
God bless, pickles