Uncovering The Mysteries

[KJV1611]

You didn't run me off and I'm certainly not out to debase you in any way shape or form, I read a post, think about what it is trying to tell me and check the spirits.....
I'd like to first have you understand something, I picked a bunch of wild grapes 8 or 9 months ago and put then in a 1 gallon milk jug, plastic, with a large hole I put in at the top, stems and all. Then I made another jug like the first and pulled the grapes from the stems and put them all in the other jug till I had filled it full of nothing but grapes. I had no food and was homeless and was living in an old canning factory warehouse, so when I saw food for the taking out in the bushes....I TOOK and that's what I lived on for 2 whole months. I had electricity there and I had an electric coleman cooler where I kept them. The point is, in only two weeks time some of my containers had become fermented all on their own without adding anything to them, so I had to learn to pick and eat daily to avoid getting high. New wine can definitely get you high. Why do you think people drink champagne on their wedding night...It's the bubbles, it's the fermenting process, it don't have to be old wine to get a buzz. So instead of looking for a different meaning to this:

Act 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Peter said in essence, Act 2:15 these men are not drunk on new wine as you stated, but....
Now the word BUT in this instance is disagreeing, which is what Peter did. He disagreed with them.
You stated in an above post that Peter wasn't disagreeing, and this is not so. And the meaning of the words, new wine, in Acts 2:13 in context ment to those mockers simply, wine that was freshly made and not the HS. Peter never said, this is the new wine which is the HS, he simply said, this is what was prophesied by.....and the prophet Joel never used the words new wine either.
Even though new wine is certainly used in scripture, in this instance it just means new wine made by man and nothing more.
The focus isn't on the new wine, it is on the prophecy of Joel. The speaking of Gods word by men of other tongues.
As far as your other posts, I'm sure I've agreed with some and will probably disagree with others. It's a bible discussion forum, that's what this forum is for, and certainly nothing personal. I'm sure you disagree with some of my statements too.
I have no hard feelings and wish for you to have none either.
P.S. And I guess I should say in all fairness, this is just my opinion.

I did not have a specific person in mind when I replied to Jag, in fact I had forgotten that you were even here. So my comment wasn't aimed at anyone. If you took it that way then i apologize. But you got to admit that does happen on this forum lol.

We wont agree on everything... this stuff is too deep for us to see it the same way right off the bat, but if we continue to dialogue with each other and not beat each other up, I'm sure we can all learn something from one another.

I do want you to know that I don't post this stuff to get attention, I want to help people understand God's word better. There is so much more to God's word than what most people think. Have patients with me, if you disagree now, who knows maybe later you might agree or you might change my mind.

God speaks in the bible in a predictable way.... I don't wont to tell you what scripture means, I want to show how God speaks in his word so that you can learn these things through your own reading. That's the way it happened with me, some one else showed me exactly what I'm trying to show you. And thank God he did.

 

[directline2iam]

Let me try it this way, what I understand you saying, it that there is a mystery inside of a mystery.
Let's start with the first mystery. You quoted Acts and Joel. Agreed!
My understanding of the only mystery in this reading is the fact that some of them mocked the Apostles. These were unbelievers who weren't seeing clearly the mystery of the HS speaking in tongues.
And there were others who understood the mystery (believers) and proved that they understood, by saying that they understood them even though they knew the Apostles didn't have natural human learning in other languages especially in their, the peoples' languages that they were born learning and understanding.
They seen heard and believed the mystery. And to make sure the mystery was revealed Peter stood up and said, This is what was spoken, (In other words, this is the mystery) of by the prophet Joel. It wasn't about "new wine" being the HS.
Now that was the mystery of it. However, now you are trying to say there is a deeper mystery inside of the first mystery about the words, new wine, which are in their own context of those particular scriptures and saying God had those mockers say that for the purpose of relating those words to other words in His word. But this is not true. By doing this you are making an understood mystery into another (unbelievers mystery). That is taking things out of context and using it to reinterpret. That is how I see it for now, but I do ponder things in my heart.

Do you understand what I am saying? because I do understand what you are saying. And I totally disagree, but like I said, I'll ponder.

 

[Tintin]

The bible is written in parables and symbolic language. It is written that way to conceal the mysteries of the kingdom from the world and to reveal it to us.

The Bible contains parables and symbolic language, yes. But most of the Bible is made up of history and prophecy, psalms etc. within the context of history.

 

[prove-all]

Hast thou heard the secret of God?
and dost thou restrain wisdom to thyself?

the Lord hath done that which he had devised; he hath fulfilled his word that he had commanded in the days of old:
he hath thrown down, and hath not pitied: and he hath caused thine enemy to rejoice over thee,
he hath set up the horn of thine adversaries.

Surely the Lord God will do nothing, unless He revealeth
His secret unto His servants the prophets.

That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables;
I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from
the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I:
and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

He said:Remember the days of old, consider the years
of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee;

I have considered the days of old, the years of ancient times.
I remember the days of old; "I meditate" on all thy works;

For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age,
and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers:

Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and
from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him;
and he will shew them his covenant.

19I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain:
I the Lord speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
20Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
21Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together:
who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord?
and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams,
your young men shall see visions:
And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness
The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness:
and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all.
He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.

For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion:
in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.

Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert;
go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth

6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge,
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have
their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

 

[KJV1611]

Let me try it this way, what I understand you saying, it that there is a mystery inside of a mystery.
Let's start with the first mystery. You quoted Acts and Joel. Agreed!
My understanding of the only mystery in this reading is the fact that some of them mocked the Apostles. These were unbelievers who weren't seeing clearly the mystery of the HS speaking in tongues.
And there were others who understood the mystery (believers) and proved that they understood, by saying that they understood them even though they knew the Apostles didn't have natural human learning in other languages especially in their, the peoples' languages that they were born learning and understanding.
They seen heard and believed the mystery. And to make sure the mystery was revealed Peter stood up and said, This is what was spoken, (In other words, this is the mystery) of by the prophet Joel. It wasn't about "new wine" being the HS.
Now that was the mystery of it. However, now you are trying to say there is a deeper mystery inside of the first mystery about the words, new wine, which are in their own context of those particular scriptures and saying God had those mockers say that for the purpose of relating those words to other words in His word. But this is not true. By doing this you are making an understood mystery into another (unbelievers mystery). That is taking things out of context and using it to reinterpret. That is how I see it for now, but I do ponder things in my heart.

Do you understand what I am saying? because I do understand what you are saying. And I totally disagree, but like I said, I'll ponder.

I do see what you're saying. Look it at from another perspective. What does the new wine symbolize in this verse?

Joe_3:18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.

 

[directline2iam]

I do see what you're saying. Look it at from another perspective. What does the new wine symbolize in this verse?

Joe_3:18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.

In context it symbolizes the Holy Spirit.

Has absolutely nothing to do with the statement made by the mockers in Acts 2:13. It is a coincidence though, but that's all. You are trying to read something into it that simply isn't there. The mockers simply meant drunk from the alcohol in new wine. Peter even said, these men are not drunk on new wine as you all suggested, but rather.......
That is the true meaning of those scriptures.
Look at it this way, what does the new wine symbolize in the Acts 2:13? It symbolizes an alcoholic beverage. Also the Holy Spirit in other verses and still in other verses back to alcohol again, but it has to be read and understood in context or else words soon have really no meaning. Context helps us understand the meaning.
You think that every matching word in the bible has the same symbol, but this is not so.

 

[KJV1611]

In context it symbolizes the Holy Spirit.

Has absolutely nothing to do with the statement made by the mockers in Acts 2:13. It is a coincidence though, but that's all. You are trying to read something into it that simply isn't there. The mockers simply meant drunk from the alcohol in new wine. Peter even said, these men are not drunk on new wine as you all suggested, but rather.......
That is the true meaning of those scriptures.
Look at it this way, what does the new wine symbolize in the Acts 2:13? It symbolizes an alcoholic beverage. Also the Holy Spirit in other verses and still in other verses back to alcohol again, but it has to be read and understood in context or else words soon have really no meaning. Context helps us understand the meaning.
You think that every matching word in the bible has the same symbol, but this is not so.

Every word has two meanings, a literal meaning and a spiritual meaning and that never changes that I'm aware of.
New wine is unfermented grape juices or it's the Holy Spirit.