am I going to hell eve though I beleive in christ?

[Apostol2013]

You gotta slow down.
The Holy Spirit is the one that helps us forgive, it's not even human to be able to forgive that kind of abuse.
Wait upon the Lord, and He will give you the ability to do this impossible thing.

Our ability to forgive is not a prerequisite to be saved,
it is a product of our salvation.

God is merciful. Do you think He does not know and understand what you feel? He will be faithful, and will give you the power to overcome. The key is to wait upon the Lord, and not become discouraged by your own weakness.

Have faith in the one who gives faith to the faithless, and hope to the hopeless, and power to the powerless.

24 Leave there your gift before the altar, and go your way; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver you to the judge, and the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be cast into prison.

26 Verily I say unto you, You shall by no means come out thence, till you have paid the uttermost farthing.

 

[Apostol2013]

24 Leave there your gift before the altar, and go your way; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver you to the judge, and the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be cast into prison.

26 Verily I say unto you, You shall by no means come out thence, till you have paid the uttermost farthing.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. View more

Mat 6:14 For if all of you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: View more

Mat 6:15 But if all of you forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Vie

 

[know1]

is another unpardonable sin. /QUOTE know1
Your statement is most untrue and unbiblical.

Matt 12:31"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32"Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Sir, if one commit the sin written in the verse above BECAUSE they will not be forgiven, then why would you say that one has not committed another unpardonable sin if God said He will not forgive them if they don't forgive others? It's saying basically the same thing.
Either way, if God doesn't forgive you your sins, you ain't goin up.

 

[Apostol2013]

21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22 Jesus says unto him, I say not unto you, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account (o. logos) of his servants.

24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.

25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.

27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.

28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellow servants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that you owe.

29 And his fellow servant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.

30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.

31 So when his fellow servants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.

32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O you wicked servant, I forgave you all that debt, because you desired me:

33 Should not you also have had compassion on your fellow servant, even as I had pity on you?

34 And his lord was angry, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if all of you from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

 

[Apostol2013]

5 For your Maker is your husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and your Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

6 For the LORD has called you as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when you were refused, says your God.

7 For a small moment have I forsaken you; but with great mercies will I gather you.

8 In a little wrath I hid my face from you for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on you, says the LORD your Redeemer.

9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be angry with you, nor rebuke you.

10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, says the LORD that has mercy on you.

11 O you afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay your stones with fair colours, and lay your foundations with sapphires.

12 And I will make your windows of agates, and your gates of carbuncles, and all your borders of pleasant stones.

13 And all your children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of your children.

14 In righteousness shall you be established: you shall be far from oppression; for you shall not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near you.

15 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against you shall fall for your sake.

16 Behold, I have created the smith that blows the coals in the fire, and that brings forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the destroyer to destroy.

17 No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, says the LORD.

 

[Dan58]

for me the cross pointless, God became flesh to take our sins and forgive us. but there's a catch but not a lot of churches preach. it says in the Bible if you do not forgive men their trespasses against you neither shall the Father forgive you your trespasses. I don't get it. God took on all the horrible things in the world, supposedly for my salvation, however if this is true that my salvation is in my ability to forgive my dad sexually abusing me and my family members, then I will go to hell. I am NOT Christ, I can not give such perfect forgiveness. and his sacrifice was a waste on me and so many others that do not know how to forgive people hurt me so deeply. don't get me wrong, I would love to obey the Word of God by forgiving my father, but I can't. I cannot physically or mentally do it. I don't know how to do it, I do not know how did you can begin the steps to forgiving him. why did Christ die for our sins and then require us to forgive everybody else too in order to be saved? I thought I would to go to heaven, I thought I would be saved when I called on then name of Jesus, I have seen the Holy Spirit move in my life, after I became a Christian, God literally gave me new family of Christians I can rely on... he showed me that he was real. all for nothing? my dad has not even asked fot forgiveness he hasn't even admitted that he was a child molester... and I'm supposed to forgive him? then what was the point of Calvary if my salvatiom is up to my own power to forgive?

jamares; Don't let other Christians lay a guilt trip on you, your not obligated to forgive your Dad, so don't. "Forgive as the Lord forgave you" (Colossians 3:13). God's forgiveness isn't automatic, it requires repentance. "Repent ye therefore..that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 3:19). We are instructed to confess our sins and repent of them in order to be forgiven, otherwise God doesn't forgive us. If your Dad confesses to his molestation to you and the law, and truly repents and pays for his sin, then forgive him. But he has done neither, so God has not forgiven him and neither should you. "If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him" (Luke 17:3). Your not going to hell for not forgiving an unrepentant sinner who will not even admit to violating you, let alone repent of it. jmo

 

[pastac]

@know1 The problem or concern as I see it is the misapplication of scripture. I see you know some and quote some but the context and application are somewhat distorted. The other stuff between you and other cc members take that with a grain of salt. We area zealous bunch and will really get after the very hint of un sound doctrine at the least call you out on it. Please yes indeed take it personal as your soul is personal unto the Lord so your words are taken personal by readers of your post.My suggestion is establish your footing on sound doctrine or at the least have a good grasp of the scripture reference you use. Our thought get us in trouble as your thought have gotten you noticed.You provide no scripture basis or reference therein lies your problem in my opinion.Defend your position if correct. Consider you may be wrong and pray about each.

 

[pastac]

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mares; Don't let other Christians lay a guilt trip on you, your not obligated to forgive your Dad, so don't. "Forgive as the Lord forgave you" (Colossians 3:13). God's forgiveness isn't automatic, it requires repentance. "Repent ye therefore..that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 3:19). We are instructed to confess our sins and repent of them in order to be forgiven, otherwise God doesn't forgive us. If your Dad confesses to his molestation to you and the law, and truly repents and pays for his sin, then forgive him. But he has done neither, so God has not forgiven him and neither should you. "If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him" (Luke 17:3). Your not going to hell for not forgiving an unrepentant sinner who will not even admit to violating you, let alone repent of it. jmo

Bad teaching and not what the word says at all. Another classic example of twisting and distorting scripture. He is obligated to forgive his father period. Read more bible lean less to you own understanding.

 

[tribesman]

This is not an easy one. We are actually not obliged to forgive those who do not seek our forgiveness or refuse to repent from their evils. But as we are not free from sin ourselves, and have had all of our sins forgiven, then it might be the heavy burden to be released on our shoulders to forgive even those who do not ask us for it. To walk around with that burden of an undissolved breach to another soul can be very draining and cause more emotional hurt.

 

[BenFTW]

Even the demons believe and tremble.

You do realize that the verse you're referring to is being used in an incorrect manner? First, it wasn't James who said that, but rather James quoting a naysayer. So it wasn't his doctrine he was quoting but rather someone against what he was preaching. Secondly, the demons believe what? The verse goes on to say that they believe God is one.

Okay... what does demons believing God is one and a man believing Jesus Christ to be his Lord and Savior by the means of dying on the cross and resurrecting on the third day have in common (in regards to salvation)? The demon's don't believe in the cross, for many reasons but above all else is that the cross isn't for them. It is for the reconciliation of mankind to the Father. What the cross is for them, and indeed they do fear it, is that Jesus became victorious by such means, and has all authority in heaven and on earth.

But regardless of that, the verse you're referencing has nothing to do with demons believing in the cross but rather the oneness of God. Lets not forget that such a belief in the oneness of "a god" isn't peculiar to Christianity, muslims hold such a perspective too and are they saved? When has oneness doctrine ever saved anyone? Jesus is the Savior.

 

[BenFTW]

Satan believes in Christ, so it must take something more, you reckon?

Satan doesn't believe in Christ for salvation, nor is such salvation offered to him. He may KNOW of what Christ has accomplished at the cross but he does not place any faith in Christ's finished work. Such a line of thinking is flawed and makes the man who confesses Christ question his assurance of salvation and think there is more to it when the Gospel really is of such simplicity.

 

[know1]

@know1 The problem or concern as I see it is the misapplication of scripture. I see you know some and quote some but the context and application are somewhat distorted. The other stuff between you and other cc members take that with a grain of salt. We area zealous bunch and will really get after the very hint of un sound doctrine at the least call you out on it. Please yes indeed take it personal as your soul is personal unto the Lord so your words are taken personal by readers of your post.My suggestion is establish your footing on sound doctrine or at the least have a good grasp of the scripture reference you use. Our thought get us in trouble as your thought have gotten you noticed.You provide no scripture basis or reference therein lies your problem in my opinion.Defend your position if correct. Consider you may be wrong and pray about each.

I disagree with much of what you said sir.
I do not take anything personal except on a few occasions when I was giving glory to God and others turned it to the natural because of the inability to believe the word of God, and I was zealous for God.
As for twisting scripture, in my eyes, I don't do that. If I did do that knowingly so as to win an argument or because that is the way my church believes, then I would be a hypocrite, because I scold people like that.
It is true that I don't know as much scripture as many on this site, but what I do know I write as I know and what I don't know I will say, I think or believe, because I don't know.
When I have been proven wrong on a topic of discussion, I am the only one I know who has admitted that I missed it and changed what I believe and go on. I have and can prove many wrong on simple matters that clearly they have little understanding of, and still will refuse to change their doctrine, much less even listen. Most cannot see the truth due to the hardness of their hearts. God has blinded their minds.
As far as explaining my self, been there done that and was told that I was too lengthy and that nobody will read what I said, so for the most part, I keep it brief.
Most of what I believe has too many scripture verses that tie into other areas and gets too complex for me to adequately explain my position on most matters of discussion and keep it short at the same time. I don't know how to do that, so I keep short and simple most of the time.
Personally, I don't mind standing alone on a subject, because I believe I am correct. I seek God on all the.things I write with the purest of heart. Their are thing I don't like believing, such as eternal judgement for the wicked which includes the doubter, but I don't try to make the bible fit what I want to believe, rather the contrary, I make what I believe fit what the word says as I perceive and understand it.

 

[notuptome]

When a person receives Christ as Savior they are not immediately transported to heaven. We remain here and sojourn in this hateful world that hated our Savior. As we mature in our walk with Christ we are able to have more compassion for the lost and witness to them that they need Christ as their Savior or they will perish in everlasting condemnation. The severity of Gods wrath upon sin is so terrible that we cannot comprehend it.

I understand the struggle this man has with forgiveness toward the one who molested him. It is normal to feel that way. It will require some bible study and lots of prayer for him to mature to the point where he can forgive his father. Just because he cannot do it now does not mean he is not saved. He is a new babe in Christ and there are a lot of things he cannot do at this time. This is tribulation of the soul for him and tribulation works patience. The Lord will produce peace in his heart and one day he may witness to the offender with a heart broken for his soul. Right now I suspect he would not be unhappy with the thought of the offender going into the lake of fire for all of eternity, I suspect if I were in his place I might feel the same. God can mature the believer that one day he might see that soul saved and truly be able to forgive and even love again. It's a lot right now but faith can and has moved many mountains that seemed impossible.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Apostol2013]

There is actually a very easy solution to your dilemma. Whether you forgive the person or not, you're saved AND forgiven. Yes, forgiveness is important, but by no means is your lack of forgiveness a barrier to the grace of God. You may say, "But Jesus said so! If we don't forgive others, God won't forgive us!" Okay, okay, that is true. However, this was also said pre-cross, or before Christ died for sins for all time. Let me show you something else the Word says.

Ephesians 4:32King James Version (KJV)

32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Now do you see the difference? Before it was forgive and God will forgive you. But what does the verse above say? Forgiving one another as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you. Notice that you are NOW forgiven, and because of that, you should forgive others. You are already forgiven.

So no, your forgiveness is not dependent upon you forgiving others, but upon Christ as it always has been. That is the Gospel, that is the "Good News." That is the Gospel of Grace. Jesus is your Savior, not yourself. Your forgiveness towards others is important for your well being, but by no means does a lack of forgiveness cost you your salvation. If it did, it wouldn't be grace. It would make the focus of your salvation be you rather than Jesus. You already know that isn't the case and realise that your salvation is completely dependent upon Jesus. Anytime you feel that salvation has been lost by the merits of yourself, you've taken your eyes off of Jesus your Savior. You need to bring to memory grace. Jesus, not yourself, is your foundation.

You are delusional my fellow jesus does not lie , do you calljesus a liar then what is it but forgiveness is one of the fruits we must bear.

 

[Apostol2013]

Believing in jesus is death to sin

 

[BenFTW]

You are delusional my fellow jesus does not lie , do you calljesus a liar then what is it but forgiveness is one of the fruits we must bear.

You speak of bearing when Jesus speaks of rest. We do not bear anything for the sake of our salvation, we but only hold to the truth and even then Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. You wish to accuse me of calling Jesus a liar, but that is not what I said. He spoke the truth, indeed but such was said to a particular people and under a specific covenant. The whole bible is the word of God, and so what else does the word say of forgiveness? As was shown above, we are already forgiven and out of such mercy we are encouraged and extorted to forgive others.

Forgiveness is a fruit, you are correct. But it is not the root, which is Christ. And you know full and well, that Jesus is the reason for your salvation and forgiveness and not whether you forgive others. If our salvation depends upon whether we forgive others, what good is the blood that cleanses us from all unrighteousness? If we have to forgive others in order to be saved, Jesus isn't our Savior, we are. If anything is dependent upon us for salvation, it is not grace but work. It is earned. If we have to do something for salvation, it is not a gift of God, but a wage due.

 

[Apostol2013]

You speak of bearing when Jesus speaks of rest. We do not bear anything for the sake of our salvation, we but only hold to thIe truth and even then Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. You wish to accuse me of calling Jesus a liar, but that is not what I said. He spoke the truth, indeed but such was said to a particular people and under a specific covenant. The whole bible is the word of God, and so what else does the word say of forgiveness? As was shown above, we are already forgiven and out of such mercy we are encouraged and extorted to forgive others.

Forgiveness is a fruit, you are correct. But it is not the root, which is Christ. And you know full and well, that Jesus is the reason for your salvation and forgiveness and not whether you forgive others. If our salvation depends upon whether we forgive others, what good is the blood that cleanses us from all unrighteousness? If we have to forgive others in order to be saved, Jesus isn't our Savior, we are. If anything is dependent upon us for salvation, it is not grace but work. It is earned. If we have to do something for salvation, it is not a gift of God, but a wage due.

You cannot call a a lie truth and misquote scripture to your own device instead of peeceive truth , buy forgiveness is a big thing unforgiveness is bearing a burden but christ came that we give Him these burdens this is a growth process but the thing is to persevere and try till fruit is produced and that man that beareth fruit will be saved " quote jesus christ YHWH in the flesh .

 

[Apostol2013]

For years i carried unforgiveness for about 26 years i carried these burdens since childhood the unforgiveness was toward myself for a great tragedy but when i learned to give it to God i was freed since then i seen heaven i seen Jesus i seen signs and wonders and now walk in His rest in His power because jesus showed me the way but forgiveness wss a nig contributor now i forgive even if i am wronged

 

[Apostol2013]

For years i carried unforgiveness for about 26 years i carried these burdens since childhood the unforgiveness was toward myself for a great tragedy but when i learned to give it to God i was freed since then i seen heaven i seen Jesus i seen signs and wonders and now walk in His rest in His power because jesus showed me the way but forgiveness wss a nig contributor now i forgive even if i am wronged

P.S prayer in the spirit will prune those unwanted things groaning in the spirit in fervency .

 

[Apostol2013]

aBad teaching and not what the word says at all. Another classic example of twisting and distorting scripture. He is obligated to forgive his father period. Read more bible lean less to you own understanding.

21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22 Jesus says unto him, I say not unto you, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account (o. logos) of his servants.

24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.

25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.

27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.

28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellow servants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that you owe.

29 And his fellow servant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.

30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.

31 So when his fellow servants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.

32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O you wicked servant, I forgave you all that debt, because you desired me:

33 Should not you also have had compassion on your fellow servant, even as I had pity on you?

34 And his lord was angry, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if all of you from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.