am I going to hell eve though I beleive in christ?

[jamares93]

for me the cross pointless, God became flesh to take our sins and forgive us. but there's a catch but not a lot of churches preach. it says in the Bible if you do not forgive men their trespasses against you neither shall the Father forgive you your trespasses. I don't get it. God took on all the horrible things in the world, supposedly for my salvation, however if this is true that my salvation is in my ability to forgive my dad sexually abusing me and my family members, then I will go to hell. I am NOT Christ, I can not give such perfect forgiveness. and his sacrifice was a waste on me and so many others that do not know how to forgive people hurt me so deeply. don't get me wrong, I would love to obey the Word of God by forgiving my father, but I can't. I cannot physically or mentally do it. I don't know how to do it, I do not know how did you can begin the steps to forgiving him. why did Christ die for our sins and then require us to forgive everybody else too in order to be saved? I thought I would to go to heaven, I thought I would be saved when I called on then name of Jesus, I have seen the Holy Spirit move in my life, after I became a Christian, God literally gave me new family of Christians I can rely on... he showed me that he was real. all for nothing? my dad has not even asked fot forgiveness he hasn't even admitted that he was a child molester... and I'm supposed to forgive him? then what was the point of Calvary if my salvatiom is up to my own power to forgive?

 

[John_S]

God decides who goes to Heaven or Hell - NOT us.

 

[Ukorin]

for me the cross pointless, God became flesh to take our sins and forgive us. but there's a catch but not a lot of churches preach. it says in the Bible if you do not forgive men their trespasses against you neither shall the Father forgive you your trespasses. I don't get it. God took on all the horrible things in the world, supposedly for my salvation, however if this is true that my salvation is in my ability to forgive my dad sexually abusing me and my family members, then I will go to hell. I am NOT Christ, I can not give such perfect forgiveness. and his sacrifice was a waste on me and so many others that do not know how to forgive people hurt me so deeply. don't get me wrong, I would love to obey the Word of God by forgiving my father, but I can't. I cannot physically or mentally do it. I don't know how to do it, I do not know how did you can begin the steps to forgiving him. why did Christ die for our sins and then require us to forgive everybody else too in order to be saved? I thought I would to go to heaven, I thought I would be saved when I called on then name of Jesus, I have seen the Holy Spirit move in my life, after I became a Christian, God literally gave me new family of Christians I can rely on... he showed me that he was real. all for nothing? my dad has not even asked fot forgiveness he hasn't even admitted that he was a child molester... and I'm supposed to forgive him? then what was the point of Calvary if my salvatiom is up to my own power to forgive?

You gotta slow down.
The Holy Spirit is the one that helps us forgive, it's not even human to be able to forgive that kind of abuse.
Wait upon the Lord, and He will give you the ability to do this impossible thing.

Our ability to forgive is not a prerequisite to be saved,
it is a product of our salvation.

God is merciful. Do you think He does not know and understand what you feel? He will be faithful, and will give you the power to overcome. The key is to wait upon the Lord, and not become discouraged by your own weakness.

Have faith in the one who gives faith to the faithless, and hope to the hopeless, and power to the powerless.

 

[ThomistColin]

1. You should forgive.
2. You will forgive, because its Christ within you that gives you the strength to forgive.
3. To forgive does not mean to let the other win, it means to give up the burden of the problem and the constant anger.
4. It is difficult in the long run, but simple in the short term. I'd suggest to forgive every time you think about it. Eventually, it will become second nature.
5. No, you aren't lost. Christ knows our weaknesses and the atrocities committed against us. In the end, hand all of this over to Christ, and pray for His strength and mercy.

 

[amymine712]

I was abused by my father growing up. God knows you don't have it in you to forgive that kind of sin on your own. That is why He is there, He is there for you to lean on. With His help all things are possible. I am not saying it is easy. It was one of the hardest things I ever had to go through. Ask God for help in forgiving your dad. Every time you think about it, get angry about it, etc. ask God for help and do your part by verbally forgiving him. I know your dad hasn't asked for it but you are really forgiving him for yourself. All that hate, anger and bitterness isn't good for you. It eats at you, can make you sick and becomes more of a God to you then our Lord is. You will feel a lot better when you conquer and overcome the unforgiveness with forgiveness. And to be able to let the abuse go and focus on God with everything that is within you is truly a blessing.

I am praying that you stay close to God. Don't give up on Him or yourself.

 

[BenFTW]

There is actually a very easy solution to your dilemma. Whether you forgive the person or not, you're saved AND forgiven. Yes, forgiveness is important, but by no means is your lack of forgiveness a barrier to the grace of God. You may say, "But Jesus said so! If we don't forgive others, God won't forgive us!" Okay, okay, that is true. However, this was also said pre-cross, or before Christ died for sins for all time. Let me show you something else the Word says.

Ephesians 4:32King James Version (KJV)

32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Now do you see the difference? Before it was forgive and God will forgive you. But what does the verse above say? Forgiving one another as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you. Notice that you are NOW forgiven, and because of that, you should forgive others. You are already forgiven.

So no, your forgiveness is not dependent upon you forgiving others, but upon Christ as it always has been. That is the Gospel, that is the "Good News." That is the Gospel of Grace. Jesus is your Savior, not yourself. Your forgiveness towards others is important for your well being, but by no means does a lack of forgiveness cost you your salvation. If it did, it wouldn't be grace. It would make the focus of your salvation be you rather than Jesus. You already know that isn't the case and realise that your salvation is completely dependent upon Jesus. Anytime you feel that salvation has been lost by the merits of yourself, you've taken your eyes off of Jesus your Savior. You need to bring to memory grace. Jesus, not yourself, is your foundation.

 

[know1]

When ever I hear someone say, 'I can't', when God tells you that you can, I think of a person that was bit by a poisonous spider. Until they got the poison out, the person only got worse. Until you remove the source of the bitterness and hate, you may very well find it impossible to forgive.
You are interpreting that verse correctly. If you are truly born of God and fail to forgive, you cannot go to heaven. I believe unforgiveness or holding a grudge against another person, regardless of how horrendous and heinous the act is, which God refers to as debt collecting, is another unpardonable sin. Until you forgive others, God CANNOT forgive you. This however is an ongoing debate. Some say once saved always saved and others like myself say otherwise. Although I believe this does not apply to baby Christians. I don't know for sure, but I believe it to be true due to some scripture verses.
Most Christians say that a child of God cannot have an evil spirit in them. The ones saying that are the same people who have never cast a demonic spirit out of even one person. It's like asking the sick person how to get healed. Under normal circumstances, every child of God is able to do what God commands us to do, but there are some people, given the right conditions to where the suffering and torment is too deep and painful that it opens a door to a demonic spirit, making it practically impossible to break free of the oppression.
If you truly cannot forgive your father, which I am not saying would be easy for anyone, then I think it is a spirit you have within you that needs to be dealt with b4 you can be free to forgive.

 

[Tintin]

When ever I hear someone say, 'I can't', when God tells you that you can, I think of a person that was bit by a poisonous spider. Until they got the poison out, the person only got worse. Until you remove the source of the bitterness and hate, you may very well find it impossible to forgive.
You are interpreting that verse correctly. If you are truly born of God and fail to forgive, you cannot go to heaven. I believe unforgiveness or holding a grudge against another person, regardless of how horrendous and heinous the act is, which God refers to as debt collecting, is another unpardonable sin. Until you forgive others, God CANNOT forgive you. This however is an ongoing debate. Some say once saved always saved and others like myself say otherwise. Although I believe this does not apply to baby Christians. I don't know for sure, but I believe it to be true due to some scripture verses.
Most Christians say that a child of God cannot have an evil spirit in them. The ones saying that are the same people who have never cast a demonic spirit out of even one person. It's like asking the sick person how to get healed. Under normal circumstances, every child of God is able to do what God commands us to do, but there are some people, given the right conditions to where the suffering and torment is too deep and painful that it opens a door to a demonic spirit, making it practically impossible to break free of the oppression.
If you truly cannot forgive your father, which I am not saying would be easy for anyone, then I think it is a spirit you have within you that needs to be dealt with b4 you can be free to forgive.

Ugh. You didn't read the prior posts, did you? Unforgiveness is a poison, yes, but our salvation isn't contingent on forgiving. Grace.

 

[phil112]

...................................am I going to hell eve though I beleive in christ?

Satan believes in Christ, so it must take something more, you reckon?

 

[jag1977]

When ever I hear someone say, 'I can't', when God tells you that you can, I think of a person that was bit by a poisonous spider. Until they got the poison out, the person only got worse. Until you remove the source of the bitterness and hate, you may very well find it impossible to forgive.
You are interpreting that verse correctly. If you are truly born of God and fail to forgive, you cannot go to heaven. I believe unforgiveness or holding a grudge against another person, regardless of how horrendous and heinous the act is, which God refers to as debt collecting, is another unpardonable sin. Until you forgive others, God CANNOT forgive you. This however is an ongoing debate. Some say once saved always saved and others like myself say otherwise. Although I believe this does not apply to baby Christians. I don't know for sure, but I believe it to be true due to some scripture verses.
Most Christians say that a child of God cannot have an evil spirit in them. The ones saying that are the same people who have never cast a demonic spirit out of even one person. It's like asking the sick person how to get healed. Under normal circumstances, every child of God is able to do what God commands us to do, but there are some people, given the right conditions to where the suffering and torment is too deep and painful that it opens a door to a demonic spirit, making it practically impossible to break free of the oppression.
If you truly cannot forgive your father, which I am not saying would be easy for anyone, then I think it is a spirit you have within you that needs to be dealt with b4 you can be free to forgive.

I can't really means; I CAN--->not(reafuse, dispute) anything I choose.

 

[Kerry]

Even the demons believe and tremble.

 

[crossnote]

Christ kept the law in our place...

"if you do not forgive men their trespasses against you neither shall the Father forgive you your trespasses."...is Law

As a Christian, He has freely forgiven you for all your awful lawbreaking and robes you in His righteousness.

Now...doesn't that move you to forgive those who trespass against you?

 

[4enlightment]

for me the cross pointless, God became flesh to take our sins and forgive us. but there's a catch but not a lot of churches preach. it says in the Bible if you do not forgive men their trespasses against you neither shall the Father forgive you your trespasses. I don't get it. God took on all the horrible things in the world, supposedly for my salvation, however if this is true that my salvation is in my ability to forgive my dad sexually abusing me and my family members, then I will go to hell. I am NOT Christ, I can not give such perfect forgiveness. and his sacrifice was a waste on me and so many others that do not know how to forgive people hurt me so deeply. don't get me wrong, I would love to obey the Word of God by forgiving my father, but I can't. I cannot physically or mentally do it. I don't know how to do it, I do not know how did you can begin the steps to forgiving him. why did Christ die for our sins and then require us to forgive everybody else too in order to be saved? I thought I would to go to heaven, I thought I would be saved when I called on then name of Jesus, I have seen the Holy Spirit move in my life, after I became a Christian, God literally gave me new family of Christians I can rely on... he showed me that he was real. all for nothing? my dad has not even asked fot forgiveness he hasn't even admitted that he was a child molester... and I'm supposed to forgive him? then what was the point of Calvary if my salvatiom is up to my own power to forgive?

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;

That if you believe...

 

[know1]

Ugh. You didn't read the prior posts, did you? Unforgiveness is a poison, yes, but our salvation isn't contingent on forgiving. Grace.

Just because I write something, doesn't make it the truth. The same holds true for what others write.
And just because you believe in OSAS, that doesn't mean it's gospel either.
One problem you people have is excusing your sins saying, it's ok, God will forgive you, it's covered under the blood of Jesus. If it was then God wouldn't have told us to repent and confessnour sins SO THAT we can be forgiven and restored to fellowship or cleansed from all unrighteousness. This He said to the church. There are consequences to every sin, some of which kills the physical body and some, I think, condemns the person to hell.
If Jesus said neither will YOUR FATHER which is in heaven foregive you..., I try not to make excuses for what is written for me to continue in sin, but take it to mean what it says

 

[Tintin]

Just because I write something, doesn't make it the truth. The same holds true for what others write.
And just because you believe in OSAS, that doesn't mean it's gospel either.
One problem you people have is excusing your sins saying, it's ok, God will forgive you, it's covered under the blood of Jesus. If it was then God wouldn't have told us to repent and confessnour sins SO THAT we can be forgiven and restored to fellowship or cleansed from all unrighteousness. This He said to the church. There are consequences to every sin, some of which kills the physical body and some, I think, condemns the person to hell.
If Jesus said neither will YOUR FATHER which is in heaven foregive you..., I try not to make excuses for what is written for me to continue in sin, but take it to mean what it says

I find you a bit rude. You're assuming a lot about me. Also, being saved by grace through faith alone doesn't mean I believe in making light of Grace. That would be equal to spitting in Christ's face. And I totally believe it's important to repent and confess our sins. If OSAS isn't true, I'd be a paranoid wreck, always wondering if I had met God's standard. Thank God that my salvation rests in Christ's righteousness and not my own!

 

[directline2iam]

is another unpardonable sin. /QUOTE know1
Your statement is most untrue and unbiblical.

Matt 12:31"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32"Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

 

[Karraster]

Hi J93, welcome to CC. that's a bitter pill to swallow..what your dad has done to you. The very one who should have protected you, even given his life if yours was in danger, has betrayed and violated you in a most personal and vile manner. No doubt he is a very tormented soul. You may possibly feel, among other things, he owed you an innocent childhood free from care, or at the very least free from fear of him. That would have been a more perfect childhood.

Now I don't know you, so I'm only guessing, but you may feel like damaged goods, that he has scarred you for life, and your shot at a happy life is zip. I don't know your age, but regardless, every girl longs to be close with her dad and look up to him, from taking the training wheels off your bike, to walking you down the isle, no one can take the place of dad. No one, that is, except the One who did die for you.

Now some don't seem to understand what it means to forgive, and pardon my saying this in case you do know, but forgiving someone simply means we release their debt to us, we release them they are free, they don't owe us anything. The reality is, they can't pay us anyway, and forgiving is for us, not them who have done evil to us. You can't go back and change things and neither can he, even if he wanted to.

As for the damaged goods part, we are all damaged goods whether we know it or not. we live in a sick and sinful world, and evil touches every life, some more than others. The good news is, Messiah was slain from the foundation of the world, to reconcile us to Him. Even before Adam and Eve, the Lamb was already slain, you just have to accept it and walk in it. All things are possible with Messiah in you, ever strengthening you day by day. He is able to heal, He is able to give you peace. Shalom sister, be well.

 

[UndRenovation]

What's so amazing about Grace? It's bigger than all of us put together, which makes it hard for our brains to understand it but our eyes can see it on a daily basis and its a frackin beautiful thing to see Grace in action.

Forgiveness, especially when it comes to us forgiving others for doing wrong to us is one of the most challenging things for some believers, and yes the scripture commands us to forgive others, and it looks like there will be consequences if we don't. I think the point of this peace of scripture and many others that leave us either confused, angry or even walking away is that none of us can actually keep the law, all of the commandments of Christ are so hard to keep. We try and we fail, we read books about Christian living, get prayer and still fail. I reckon Jesus wants us to look to him and his love in all that failure, instead of beating our chests and admitting defeat because its all to hard. He was the one who defeated death, we can barely even get up in the morning!

So at this point in time you cant and wont forgive your dad and that's ok. It sounds to me like you have been experiencing some awesome stuff in Christ, especially the part about receiving a new spiritual family. No idea how long you have been a Christian for jamares93 but one thing I do know for sure- Healing from major hurts in the past is a strange process, can often feel like nothing is happening and we can often fear that when it does happen it will either be in one big hit(woah all at once!!, can I handle that?) or it doesn't happen when we want it to. I want to encourage ya to take full advantage of your new community/family, Continue to ask God to show you things that he wants you to see and maybe even ask him what gets in the way of you becoming more like Christ. He is your loving father so he understands you, your heart, your hurt and most of all he knows what you can handle and when you can handle it. His timing for when he brings stuff, painfull stuff for us to see can actually be a joyful occasion, even when it comes to forgiving yuck stuff or mean people.

Don't be to hard on yourself. You are Under Renovation, we all have rooms that need to be refurnished and rebuilt and there is only one master builder who can do that work that is sustainable-The Trinity. Keep participating in the process of sanctification and God will show you some amazing things, especially when it comes to forgives.

 

[RedTent]

When you forgive your Father , it doesn't mean that you need to forgive what he did to you. It was a terrible thing and you have every right to say so, even with anger. Forgiving him only requires that if he should come to you to ask for forgiveness, you would be able to say you give him over to God.

When you try to take God's place in punishing your Dad, it only hurts you. You have enough to do to heal yourself from this.

 

[know1]

I find you a bit rude. You're assuming a lot about me. Also, being saved by grace through faith alone doesn't mean I believe in making light of Grace. That would be equal to spitting in Christ's face. And I totally believe it's important to repent and confess our sins. If OSAS isn't true, I'd be a paranoid wreck, always wondering if I had met God's standard. Thank God that my salvation rests in Christ's righteousness and not my own!

I would put it more along the lines of blunt and to the point, I'm not trying to be rude. Though I have forgiven, I have not forgotten the belittling you were having at my expense a few days ago. Though it saddened me, I took no offense, but you were not in the least bit nice, nor did you care. You and everyone else but one man, criticized and condemned without seeking God on the matter. Of which, I hold nothing against you or any of the others.
And no, I don't know you, and though for the most part I have found you to be a fairly nice guy, which I'm sure you are, I just write what I have observed. If I am wrong then I apologize Mr. Christian.
Those who believe that you can lose your salvation, like myself, don't necessarily mean that we are walking on pins and needles. Nor does it mean that one loses their salvation just because they sin.
The way I see it, it has more to do with the thoughts and attitudes of the heart, than the acts themselves.
Most Christians don't even know most of the sins they commit, or how easy it is. But what is the purpose of repenting? What good does it accomplish? What harm could there be if I don't want to repent of any of the wrongs I commit?
Like you, I too rest in knowing Christ as my savior and believe in His atoning blood that He shed for me that I might have eternal life, but at the same time, I do fear God. At the very least, if we don't produce good fruit, God will cut us off from the vine, or to put it bluntly, He will bump us off or kill us. Jn 15:1
This I have observed first hand.