Slaughtering sheep. Romans 8:36

[crossnote]

As it is written, "For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered." (Rom 8:36)

I have never heard a sermon on this passage, maybe it would be 'R' rated?
How would you compose one?
Expect an exodus of the faint hearted.
I suppose in some countries it's their daily devotion.

 

[crossnote]

No takers? Not even the law keepers can handle this? It's no wonder...

Galatians 6:12-13 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

 

[p_rehbein]

???

Not sure what your point is, since you didn't give any thoughts of your own in the OP as to the Scripture referenced........

However, Jesus did preach on this subject..........

John 15:17) These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 .) If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 .) If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 .) Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 .) But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 .) If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 .) He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

John 16:1) These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
2 .) They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
3 .) And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

 

[p_rehbein]

Quoted from THREADHOGS:

Originally Posted by Tintin

Ooh, and those people who start threads and then don't even offer a point of discussion or whatever and assume people know what they're asking and then get annoyed/angry when people ask for clarification. They often also talk in riddles. Keep It Simple, Stupid!


CROSSNOTE: I think the 'speaking in riddles' is hiding their insecurity by pretending they're one up on you by using riddles.

??? ......................

 

[crossnote]

???

Not sure what your point is, since you didn't give any thoughts of your own in the OP as to the Scripture referenced........

However, Jesus did preach on this subject..........

John 15:17) These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 .) If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 .) If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 .) Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 .) But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 .) If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 .) He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

John 16:1) These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
2 .) They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
3 .) And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

It's no riddle.
How many sermons have you heard based on Rom 8:36.
It's easier to preach 5 steps to a successful christian life than on God preparing sheep for the slaughter.

 

[Elin]

It's no riddle.
How many sermons have you heard based on Rom 8:36.
It's easier to preach 5 steps to a successful christian life than on
God preparing sheep for the slaughter.

But the text does not state "preparing,"
it states "regarded as"--accounted as, reckoned as, considered as, thought of as--
but that doesn't mean they actually are, right?

 

[crossnote]

But the text does not state "preparing,"
it states "regarded as"--accounted as, reckoned as, considered as, thought of as--
but that doesn't mean they actually are, right?

I would say the two go hand in hand; i.e. 'regarded as' and 'prepared'.
I mean as a good Calvinist you would agree that what God 'regards' or 'thinks as' He also 'prepares' wouldn't you?
(don't feel compelled to follow up on my twisted logic).
Anyways, have you heard any sermons on this text?

 

[Zinzerio]

You, O LORD, will not withhold Your compassion from me; Your loving kindness and Your truth will continually preserve me.


Psalm 57:3
3He will send from heaven and save me; He reproaches him who tramples upon me. Selah. God will send forth His lovingkindness and His truth. 4My soul is among lions; I must lie among those who breathe forth fire, Even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows And their tongue a sharp sword.…

9He leads the humble in justice, And He teaches the humble His way. 10All the paths of the LORD are lovingkindness and truth To those who keep His covenant and His testimonies. 11For Your name's sake, O LORD, Pardon my iniquity, for it is great.…


Psalm 25:11
12Who is the man who fears the LORD? He will instruct him in the way he should choose.…


Ezekiel 36:2222" Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for My holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you went. 23"I will vindicate the holiness of My great name which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD," declares the Lord GOD, "when I prove Myself holy among you in their sight.…

 

[crossnote]

See, they could expound Rom 8:36 using this passage...

2 Corinthians 4:7-11 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

 

[waterlily]

But joel osteen says this is our best life now.

Surely Christians can't suffer trials, sickness or be persecuted for Christ's sake. Maybe they just need more faith to believe they are not...or better yet sow a thousand dollar seed of "faith"..that will make it all better.

 

[crossnote]

But joel osteen says this is our best life now.

Surely Christians can't suffer trials, sickness or be persecuted for Christ's sake. Maybe they just need more faith to believe they are not...or better yet sow a thousand dollar seed of "faith"..that will make it all better.

Hey, touch not the United States' Annointed

 

[waterlily]

Hey, touch not the United States' Annointed

Yes .. but the question is anointed by whom??

 

[crossnote]

Yes .. but the question is anointed by whom??

Um er,ah, ehh, Robert Schuller?

 

[Elin]

I would say the two go hand in hand; i.e. 'regarded as' and 'prepared'.
I mean as a good Calvinist
you would agree that what God 'regards' or 'thinks as' He also 'prepares' wouldn't you?
(don't feel compelled to follow up on my twisted logic).
Anyways, have you heard any sermons on this text?

Is Paul using the statement as a principle,
or as God's decree?

And for the record, I am not a "Calvinist," I am a "Paulist."

I don't so isms or ists, I do Bible.

 

[Elin]

See, they could expound Rom 8:36 using this passage...

2 Corinthians 4:7-11 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

"For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake,
that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

So then death is at work in us, but life is at work in you." (2Co 4:12)

"We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus,
so that the life of Jesus may be revealed in our body." (2Co 4:10)

It seems to me Paul is talking about his sufferings, not about his physical death.

Paul's frailty (clay jar, 4:7) occasions the triumph of divine power,
and daily dying (4:10) glorifies the wonder of daily resurrection life.

It seems to me Paul is stating the same principle in 2Co 4:7-12.

 

[dcontroversal]

I thought it said--->as sheep for the slaughter......not---> as sheep to be slaughtered......

or did I miss something HAH...!

 

[crossnote]

Is Paul using the statement as a principle,
or as God's decree?

And for the record, I am not a "Calvinist," I am a "Paulist."

I don't so isms or ists, I do Bible.

I would say a principal, but one that God directs.
Thanks for the clarification.

 

[crossnote]

So then death is at work in us, but life is at work in you." (2Co 4:12)

"We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus,
so that the life of Jesus may be revealed in our body." (2Co 4:10)

It seems to me Paul is talking about his sufferings, not about his physical death.

Paul's frailty (clay jar, 4:7) occasions the triumph of divine power,
and daily dying (4:10) glorifies the wonder of daily resurrection life.

It seems to me Paul is stating the same principle in 2Co 4:7-12.

I think you have to admit those that go to martyrdom have been on that same trail but God took them all the way...like James in Acts.

 

[Mark51]

Aside from us, there is no one or anything that can separate us from the love of Jehovah and his Son, Christ Jesus. Satan may use his earthly agents to cause Christians much trouble. Over the past century, many of our Christian brothers and sisters have been objects of violent persecution in many lands. In some places today, our brothers daily face economic distress. Some experience the pain of hunger or lack sufficient clothing. The Devil’s objective in causing these hard conditions is to discourage true worship of Jehovah. Satan wants to make us believe that God’s love has grown cold.

Like Paul, who quoted Psalm 44:22, we have studied God’s written Word. We understand that it is for the sake of God’s name that these things happen to us, his “sheep.” The sanctification of God’s name and the vindication of his universal sovereignty are involved. It is because of such major issues that God has permitted trials, not because he no longer loves us. No matter what the distressing circumstance may be, we are assured that God’s love for his people, including each one of us, has not changed. Any seeming defeat we may suffer will turn out to be a victory if we keep our integrity. We are strengthened and sustained by the assurance of God’s unbreakable love.

What convinced Paul that nothing could separate Christians from God’s love was his personal experiences. While in the ministry, he reinforced his conviction that hardships could not affect God’s love for us. (2　Corinthians 11:23-27; Philippians 4:13) Also, Paul had knowledge of Jehovah’s eternal purpose and past dealings with His people. Even death, itself, cannot conquer God’s love for those who have served him loyally. Such faithful ones who die will live on in God’s perfect memory, and he will resurrect them in due time.-Luke 20:37, 38; Romans 8:38,39; 1　Corinthians 15:22-26.

Whatever misfortune life today may bring us-whether a debilitating accident, a terminal disease, or an economic calamity-nothing can destroy God’s love for his people. Powerful angels, such as the disobedient angel who became Satan, cannot influence Jehovah to stop loving his devoted servants. (Job 2:3) Governments may ban, imprison, and mistreat God’s servants and may label them “persona non grata.” (1　Corinthians 4:13) Such unjustified hatred by the nations may pressure humans to turn against us, but it does not sway the Sovereign of the universe to abandon us.

As Christians, we need not fear that any of what Paul called “things now here”-the events, conditions, and situations in this present system of things-nor “things to come” in the future can break God’s attachment to his people. Though earthly and heavenly powers wage war against us, God’s loyal love is there to sustain us. Neither “height nor depth” hinders God’s love, as stressed by Paul. Yes, nothing that might tend to pull us down, nor anything tending to exercise a superior influence on us, can separate us from God’s love; nor can any other creation disrupt the Creator’s relationship with his faithful servants. God’s love never fails; it is everlasting.-1　Corinthians 13:8.

 

[crossnote]

Yes, though He stretches us past our strength and ability...His love remains steadfast.

2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.