The new covenant - fulfilled through the Church

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I don't follow your reasoning about getting rid of Revelations

God did not make the first covenant obsolete (heb 8:13) until the Jews broke their side of the covenant. A covenant requires both parties to keep their side. But once Israel broke their side, and after hundreds of attempts to call Israel back, Israel broke their side of the covenant.

So his reputation is intact
Please give scripture to verify that.
 
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert

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In conclusion, do not live in fear. Trust that the lord will fulfill his promises and his prophecies will come true. Do not worry about that.

Your task is to worry about upholding justice, standing up for the oppressed, feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, taking care of the widow, comforting those who grieve, and making the alien feel welcomed.

Israel thwarts justice, kills innocent children, spreads lies about the Palestinian people, steals their land, makes widows, oppresses the poor and makes people grieve.

We must stand up against their injustices. Keep them accountable! This is what God commands.

If you focus on Israel's preservation, then you show that you have no faith in God to carry out his promises and that you think you need to take matters into your own hands. You of little faith.
 
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I hope when you take communion next week you will remember that you are the new covenant and that when you take the bread and wine that you realize you are the next chapter in the history of Israel -- not the Zionist abomination we see in the news.
 

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#26
I don't follow your reasoning about getting rid of Revelations

God did not make the first covenant obsolete (heb 8:13) until the Jews broke their side of the covenant. A covenant requires both parties to keep their side. But once Israel broke their side, and after hundreds of attempts to call Israel back, Israel broke their side of the covenant.

So his reputation is intact
I wouldn't say that God "broke the covenant" as much as He "fulfilled" the covenant. Most of the covenants between God and "man" had blessings and curses. Blessings if the covenant was kept and curses if it was not kept. Jesus broke the curse "side" of the covenant. He satisfied the fulfillment:). I haven't figured it all out, but I believe there were seven? curses resulting from the covenants - and Jesus broke all of them. Again, I don't know all of the details, but that is what I have gathered so far. We see how He broke some of them. They hung Jesus on a tree, which was a curse, but Jesus is not accursed. Death was the punishment for sin, but Jesus after taking on all sin, being perfect, could not remain bound by death. The lineage of David received a curse because of sin, but Jesus restored the throne of David, sitting down at the right hand of God. I may have included something that should not be here, but I think you get the idea. Jesus freed us from the curses.
 

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Joshua 5
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Now it came about when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, a man was standing opposite him with his sword drawn in his hand, and Joshua went to him and said to him, “Are you for us or for our adversaries?” [SUP]14 [/SUP]He said, “No; rather I indeed come now as captain of the host of the Lord.”
 
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Christians are God's chosen people. The new covenant is with the church and the old covenant with Israel is gone.
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In my next few posts I will show how the promises to Israel now belong to the church
Interesting yo dont mention what the covenant IS with the church

your post is good, but you ned to know what the covenant is.

The ark of the covenant is now with all those who accept Jesus as Messiah...

the NEW COVENANT IS THIS...

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

so some may argue what this means, but PAUL TELLS US WHAT IT MEANS...

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord;
I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.





THE LAW OF SACRIFICES AND BURNT OFFERINGS IS FINISHED


Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;



NEW COVENANT

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where DELIVERANCE FROM SINNING is, there is no more offering SACRIFICES for sin.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest
by the blood of Jesus,

Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith,
having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience,
and our bodies washed with pure water.

Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith
without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another
to provoke unto love and to good works:

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully
(STOP SINNING BY THE POWER OF THE BLOOD OF JESUS)
after that we have received the knowledge of the truth,
there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.


The new covenant is keeping all the commandments perfectly by the power of the Blood of Jesus in the heavenly sanctuary,

the old covenant Paul says was the sanctuary sacrifices this is over

the new covenant is the power of the Blood of Jesus to keep us from breaking the commandments

covenant is DEAL

We keep his ten covenants by the power of JEsus blood and he is our God



that is the new covenant with his church

people who will keep his ten commandments by FAITH in the blood of Jesus power to write the ten commandments in or hearts


so now we understand revelation:

not by law of sacrifices

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." -Revelation 12:17.


"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." -Revelation 14:12.


"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." -Revelation 22:14.





 
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zionism is false doctrine, for the nation of israel under false leadership is not the truth

Just like the leaders in Jesus time twisted the truth into selfish agrandizement so they do it again


but

that does not make ARYANISM true, for aryanism is false gospel also


the truth is Jesus is the Jew and we are his Jewish family wo no longer use sacrifices but live by the blood of Jesus

for in the end

the New Jerusalem is STILL a Jewish city!

Paul says WE are grafted into the Jewish tree

we are the new covenant JEws
who dont keep the first covenant but keep the second covenant the law of ten commandments not the law of sacrifices.



in their tree

JEsus is the tree the Jewish tree

and in the end some Jews will be grafted back into the tree

the tree is still Jewish

For Jesus will always be Jewish
the Bible is Jewish
Paul is Jewish timoty was Jewish
John was Jewish
every Bible writer was Jewish
and in the last days the Jewish people of God by faith will walk into the Jewish New Jerusalem

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:


Antiesemitism is devilish

aryanism is devilish, it is the devils false gospel

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 
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The first covenant - the law of Sacrificial system and circumcision which is removed

the New covenant is the law of the ten comamndments kept by the faith of the Blood of Jesus


For he WILL write his ten commandment laws in our hearts and minds to keep them perfectly by faith in his blood


and he will have a perfectly sinless people by his blood
 

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You know what?? Im over your posts and twisting of scripture to fit your fictional beliefs.
You are a Christian supposedly, as a Christian we always follow the word. You can twist it, and manipulate it all you like but you are very wrong.
Noone likes to see people dying, this is true but you know what? Gods will must be done! Do you have little faith in your God? You are mocking his people, and the word.
Stick to the bible, the word and bless Israel! Bless Gods chosen people.
 

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He made the New Covenant alive. understanding the parable of the sower and Matthew 13:19 is key to understanding what the Word of God is and the New Covenent.
 
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I hope when you take communion next week you will remember that you are the new covenant and that when you take the bread and wine that you realize you are the next chapter in the history of Israel -- not the Zionist abomination we see in the news.
Have you told God that you object to His fulfilling prophecy by sending His people back to Israel? Perhaps God will listen to you, but then the words of prophecy have already been printed and distributed to millions of home via the bible.
 
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check out my thread about how Christians should oppose Israel and how Israel of today is doing horrible things in the site of God -- we as Christians have been commissioned to go out and make disciples of men, not to live in fear and self preservation like so many Christians do who support Israel. http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/96093-israel-synagogue-satan.html

In this thread I confronted a lot of closed minded Christians who totally missed the point of the gospel.

2000 years ago, Jews were expecting God to send a messiah and restore Israel with military might. It didn't happen, instead God sent Jesus, a suffering servant who showed us that God's true plan was not to glorify Israel, but rather to be reconciled with all nations and all people.

Because we as Christians die to our own selfish desires, we must not let our selfish fears and egos get in the way.

Today, some Christians act like God only cares about Israel and that Israel must be protected under all costs.

But as the bible says, Christians are God's chosen people. The new covenant is with the church and the old covenant with Israel is gone.

We must stand up to the tyranny of Jewish and Christian Zionism, for it shows hatred in everything it does.

Do we trust that God will fulfill his word? Do we trust that he will keep his promises in his own way?

God has commanded us to fight against injustice, not protecting Israel

Protecting Israel is showing God how little faith we have in his ability to keep his promises and protecting Israel is spitting on justice.

In my next few posts I will show how the promises to Israel now belong to the church
Not touching that with a ten foot pole....
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. In view of the fact that I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, [SUP]14 [/SUP]if I can somehow make my own people[SUP][j][/SUP] jealous and save some of them. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For if their rejection brings reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? [SUP]16 [/SUP]Now if the firstfruits offered up are holy, so is the whole batch. And if the root is holy, so are the branches.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now if some of the branches were broken off, and you, though a wild olive branch, were grafted in among them and have come to share in the rich root[SUP][k][/SUP] of the cultivated olive tree, [SUP]18 [/SUP]do not brag that you are better than those branches. But if you do brag—you do not sustain the root, but the root sustains you. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” [SUP]20 [/SUP]True enough; they were broken off by unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Therefore, consider God’s kindness and severity: severity toward those who have fallen but God’s kindness toward you—if you remain in His kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And even they, if they do not remain in unbelief, will be grafted in, because God has the power to graft them in again. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For if you were cut off from your native wild olive and against nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these—the natural branches—be grafted into their own olive tree?
 
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To the troll go back under your bridge.

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem and I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.
 

tribesman

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In acts 2, followers of Christ were considered converts to Judaism.


Acts 2 New International Version (NIV)The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost

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[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. [SUP]6 [/SUP]When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? [SUP]8 [/SUP]Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? [SUP]9 [/SUP]Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]10 [/SUP]Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome [SUP]11 [/SUP](both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” [SUP]12 [/SUP]Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Some, however, made fun of them and said, “They have had too much wine.”
These proselytes were not considered christians yet at that time (they were gentile converts to "judaism"). But many of them became such, christians that is, after the event at that Day of Pentecost.