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Re: Who gets the promises?: Jews Church? : "Replacement theology": Other thoughts
OK so were in the church age the time of the Gentiles were it gets confused the difference between dispensationalist and covenant theology especially New Covenant theology.Someone from a Presbyterian teaching is going to see us as one, the church and from a covenant family perspective. The dispensationalist says Gods covenants for Israel must be fulfilled. Especially with regards to the Palestinian covenant the land which is also part of the Mosaic and Abrahamic covenant. When you posed your questions you did it with a today prospective but Paul warns us not to get to full of ourselves as we are only grafted in. In Rev we read about the judgments were God wipes out two thirds of the Jews leaving his elect they will be the ones to inherit the promise as well as any from the Old Testament that believed by faith. Ive been were your at now so do we as gentiles receive some of the same promises yes but not all we also benefit from them.
Check out this
http://paulbenware.com/wp-content/u...leConf_Session04_The_Church_Is_Not_Israel.pdf
OK so were in the church age the time of the Gentiles were it gets confused the difference between dispensationalist and covenant theology especially New Covenant theology.Someone from a Presbyterian teaching is going to see us as one, the church and from a covenant family perspective. The dispensationalist says Gods covenants for Israel must be fulfilled. Especially with regards to the Palestinian covenant the land which is also part of the Mosaic and Abrahamic covenant. When you posed your questions you did it with a today prospective but Paul warns us not to get to full of ourselves as we are only grafted in. In Rev we read about the judgments were God wipes out two thirds of the Jews leaving his elect they will be the ones to inherit the promise as well as any from the Old Testament that believed by faith. Ive been were your at now so do we as gentiles receive some of the same promises yes but not all we also benefit from them.
Check out this
http://paulbenware.com/wp-content/u...leConf_Session04_The_Church_Is_Not_Israel.pdf
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Re: Who gets the promises?: Jews Church? : "Replacement theology": Other thoughts
To stonethrower, I say, you are RIGHT on ,MAN, I am with you 100% so far, Love Hoffco. I think 1still_waters is trying, his hardest, to trip us up with an obvious question ,which any Bible student should answer yes to. God always keeps His promises. Love Hoffco
To stonethrower, I say, you are RIGHT on ,MAN, I am with you 100% so far, Love Hoffco. I think 1still_waters is trying, his hardest, to trip us up with an obvious question ,which any Bible student should answer yes to. God always keeps His promises. Love Hoffco
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Re: Who gets the promises?: Jews Church? : "Replacement theology": Other thoughts
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Yes but its more than just the land its a decendant of david ruling on the throne which Jesus fullfills during the millennium.
Who gets the promises.
https://bible.org/seriespage/eschatological-problems-vii-fulfillment-davidic-covenant
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Yes but its more than just the land its a decendant of david ruling on the throne which Jesus fullfills during the millennium.
Who gets the promises.
https://bible.org/seriespage/eschatological-problems-vii-fulfillment-davidic-covenant
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Re: Who gets the promises?: Jews Church? : "Replacement theology": Other thoughts
The national, physical aspects of the Abrahamic covenant (Genesis 12:1-3,7; Genesis 13:14-18; Genesis 15:18-21) will yet be fulfilled to the nation Israel (Jeremiah 30:1-24). The land promises do not belong to the Church.
The Church does not inherit any "land" (saved Jews and Gentiles). Romans 11:25-27 pretty much sums up what will occur for the nation of Israel after the 7 year tribulation period. There will be a national repentance and Israel will recognize and accept their Messiah, Jesus Christ:
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
The national, physical aspects of the Abrahamic covenant (Genesis 12:1-3,7; Genesis 13:14-18; Genesis 15:18-21) will yet be fulfilled to the nation Israel (Jeremiah 30:1-24). The land promises do not belong to the Church.
The Church does not inherit any "land" (saved Jews and Gentiles). Romans 11:25-27 pretty much sums up what will occur for the nation of Israel after the 7 year tribulation period. There will be a national repentance and Israel will recognize and accept their Messiah, Jesus Christ:
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Re: Who gets the promises?: Jews Church? : "Replacement theology": Other thoughts
I did read all of it first of all...HAH!
I think replacement theology is simply boiled down to this....
1. That the Jews were cast off and the GENTILE church replaced Israel.
A few facts that need to be remembered....
1. It began with Israel.
2. Israel is called the assembly (church) of the firstborn in the wilderness.
3. Jesus and the disciples were sent first to Israel and they rejected
4. Gentiles and gentile churches do not supersede Israel nor do they take Israel's place
5. Gentile believers and JEWISH believers are reckoned under the SAME banner of the FAITH of ABRAHAM and the TWO have become ONE as BOTH have equal access by faith and JESUS unto the Heavenly Father.
6. Yes it is true that the Lord is using "Gentile" churches as the median by which he spreads his truth in this age
But lest we forget.......there is NEITHER JEW NOR GENTILE In Christ........
I did read all of it first of all...HAH!
I think replacement theology is simply boiled down to this....
1. That the Jews were cast off and the GENTILE church replaced Israel.
A few facts that need to be remembered....
1. It began with Israel.
2. Israel is called the assembly (church) of the firstborn in the wilderness.
3. Jesus and the disciples were sent first to Israel and they rejected
4. Gentiles and gentile churches do not supersede Israel nor do they take Israel's place
5. Gentile believers and JEWISH believers are reckoned under the SAME banner of the FAITH of ABRAHAM and the TWO have become ONE as BOTH have equal access by faith and JESUS unto the Heavenly Father.
6. Yes it is true that the Lord is using "Gentile" churches as the median by which he spreads his truth in this age
But lest we forget.......there is NEITHER JEW NOR GENTILE In Christ........
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Re: Who gets the promises?: Jews Church? : "Replacement theology": Other thoughts
Ok the part I bolded seems like a very good distinction. Thanks for drawing that.
If someone is truly teaching Israel/Jews are forgotten by God, and now the only thing that matters is a GENTILE church, yeah that's an issue. The thing is, I haven't heard anyone ever teach that God has totally written of Jews/Israel in favor of gentiles.
I think people interpret, "Only saved people get the promises." as replacement theology.
They hear things being said that aren't being said.
Ok the part I bolded seems like a very good distinction. Thanks for drawing that.
If someone is truly teaching Israel/Jews are forgotten by God, and now the only thing that matters is a GENTILE church, yeah that's an issue. The thing is, I haven't heard anyone ever teach that God has totally written of Jews/Israel in favor of gentiles.
I think people interpret, "Only saved people get the promises." as replacement theology.
They hear things being said that aren't being said.
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Re: Who gets the promises?: Jews Church? : "Replacement theology": Other thoughts
Yes, we dont get the land with the borders that were promised to the twelve tribes during the millennial kingdom and the animal scrafices will resume. Then we all get blened together in the New Jersulem.
So the blessings from theAbrahamic covennant both Jews and the church recieve. But the land goes to Abram and Israel as well as the seed promise.
The Mosaic is only for Israel and has been fullfiled in Christ.
The Davidic 2nd Samuel 7 gets fullfilled in the M kingdom
Yes, we dont get the land with the borders that were promised to the twelve tribes during the millennial kingdom and the animal scrafices will resume. Then we all get blened together in the New Jersulem.
So the blessings from theAbrahamic covennant both Jews and the church recieve. But the land goes to Abram and Israel as well as the seed promise.
The Mosaic is only for Israel and has been fullfiled in Christ.
The Davidic 2nd Samuel 7 gets fullfilled in the M kingdom