Deeper understanding of scripture through hearing other's understanding

[RedTent]

I had so hoped that CC would lead me to a deeper understanding of scripture as we all got together in our search of scripture.

Instead I learned that the church today believes that God’s word is not to be trusted, for large groups of scripture are for Jews only.They say it is not a book of eternal truths for some of what they say must be ignored if you don’t live in Israel at a certain time.They even say that when God makes a covenant it is only temporary.They say a covenant adding to the first wipes the first one out.Yet, they seem to rely on the second covenant, never wondering if God would wipe that one out, too.They say that because God does not withhold salvation over our sins we must not know of sins, that knowledge is worthless to us.They acknowledge the Holy Spirit that it can lead to us knowing God but say that by following that we must not follow instructions on how to live for those that do are law keepers and trying to keep law is unworthy.Anything else the Holy Spirit leads to, they say is OK, just not law.

I thought certain things about God were given as true and all scripture was written by the same God and agrees.God is love and expresses that.We are to worship the one true God.God is eternal.I hadn’t come across people who questioned that before.We would need to accept these basic things about God in order to move ahead.The things I listed above deny the basics of God.

 

[2Thewaters]

This is what the different bible translations do for us.
Give different flavors of the truth.

 

[crossnote]

I had so hoped that CC would lead me to a deeper understanding of scripture as we all got together in our search of scripture.

Instead I learned that the church today believes that God’s word is not to be trusted, for large groups of scripture are for Jews only.They say it is not a book of eternal truths for some of what they say must be ignored if you don’t live in Israel at a certain time.They even say that when God makes a covenant it is only temporary.They say a covenant adding to the first wipes the first one out.Yet, they seem to rely on the second covenant, never wondering if God would wipe that one out, too.They say that because God does not withhold salvation over our sins we must not know of sins, that knowledge is worthless to us.They acknowledge the Holy Spirit that it can lead to us knowing God but say that by following that we must not follow instructions on how to live for those that do are law keepers and trying to keep law is unworthy.Anything else the Holy Spirit leads to, they say is OK, just not law.

I thought certain things about God were given as true and all scripture was written by the same God and agrees.God is love and expresses that.We are to worship the one true God.God is eternal.I hadn’t come across people who questioned that before.We would need to accept these basic things about God in order to move ahead.The things I listed above deny the basics of God.

There are (A)conditional covenants and (B)unconditional covenants.
(A) are usually temporary because when it is between God and man, man ends up breaking it...e.g. Mosaic Covenant.
(B) is eternal when God is the party making the covenant...all conditions are met by Him..e.g. Abrahamic, New Covenant.

RedTent this could be the key to your misunderstanding as you seem to take the Mosaic Covenant as unconditional or at least permanent.....

 

[RedTent]

There are (A)conditional covenants and (B)unconditional covenants.
(A) are usually temporary because when it is between God and man, man ends up breaking it...e.g. Mosaic Covenant.
(B) is eternal when God is the party making the covenant...all conditions are met by Him..e.g. Abrahamic, New Covenant.

RedTent this could be the key to your misunderstanding as you seem to take the Mosaic Covenant as unconditional or at least permanent.....

What do you think the Mosaic Covenant is? Who broke it when? Do you think that if one person breaks a covenant it is then broken for all time for everyone?

 

[Ukorin]

What do you think the Mosaic Covenant is? Who broke it when? Do you think that if one person breaks a covenant it is then broken for all time for everyone?

God said that the People broke it. Not even just most, but all. It was made on the condition that the Israelites obeyed it.
That's why a new one was needed. Not a single person could keep the old one, but Christ.

As for neglecting the Old, I agree with you. There are several doctrines that seem to wipe out the usefulness of the Word expressed in the Law and the Prophets. They are missing out on much knowledge of their God, and much application to our lives.

 

[RedTent]

God said that the People broke it. Not even just most, but all. It was made on the condition that the Israelites obeyed it.
That's why a new one was needed. Not a single person could keep the old one, but Christ.

As for neglecting the Old, I agree with you. There are several doctrines that seem to wipe out the usefulness of the Word expressed in the Law and the Prophets. They are missing out on much knowledge of their God, and much application to our lives.

What exactly did all the people break? What exactly is the Mosaic Covenant.

 

[4enlightment]

I had so hoped that CC would lead me to a deeper understanding of scripture as we all got together in our search of scripture.

Instead I learned that the church today believes that God’s word is not to be trusted, for large groups of scripture are for Jews only.They say it is not a book of eternal truths for some of what they say must be ignored if you don’t live in Israel at a certain time.They even say that when God makes a covenant it is only temporary.They say a covenant adding to the first wipes the first one out.Yet, they seem to rely on the second covenant, never wondering if God would wipe that one out, too.They say that because God does not withhold salvation over our sins we must not know of sins, that knowledge is worthless to us.They acknowledge the Holy Spirit that it can lead to us knowing God but say that by following that we must not follow instructions on how to live for those that do are law keepers and trying to keep law is unworthy.Anything else the Holy Spirit leads to, they say is OK, just not law.

I thought certain things about God were given as true and all scripture was written by the same God and agrees.God is love and expresses that.We are to worship the one true God.God is eternal.I hadn’t come across people who questioned that before.We would need to accept these basic things about God in order to move ahead.The things I listed above deny the basics of God.

The first covenant was to do it without knowing the purpose of them, but now the new is to show us what's the whole purpose of these regulations was made for by having us to live through them. How does a child truly honor their parent? By going through what they had been through raising them. And so now we have to walk in God's footsteps to see what He has been carrying for the past centuries.

Luke 9:23
Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.

 

[directline2iam]

I had so hoped that CC would lead me to a deeper understanding of scripture as we all got together in our search of scripture.

Instead I learned that the church today believes that God’s word is not to be trusted, for large groups of scripture are for Jews only.They say it is not a book of eternal truths for some of what they say must be ignored if you don’t live in Israel at a certain time.They even say that when God makes a covenant it is only temporary.They say a covenant adding to the first wipes the first one out.Yet, they seem to rely on the second covenant, never wondering if God would wipe that one out, too.They say that because God does not withhold salvation over our sins we must not know of sins, that knowledge is worthless to us.They acknowledge the Holy Spirit that it can lead to us knowing God but say that by following that we must not follow instructions on how to live for those that do are law keepers and trying to keep law is unworthy.Anything else the Holy Spirit leads to, they say is OK, just not law.

I thought certain things about God were given as true and all scripture was written by the same God and agrees.God is love and expresses that.We are to worship the one true God.God is eternal.I hadn’t come across people who questioned that before.We would need to accept these basic things about God in order to move ahead.The things I listed above deny the basics of God.

I'm much better at listening than speaking .... so, do tell !

 

[Dan58]

I had so hoped that CC would lead me to a deeper understanding of scripture as we all got together in our search of scripture.

Instead I learned that the church today believes that God’s word is not to be trusted, for large groups of scripture are for Jews only.They say it is not a book of eternal truths for some of what they say must be ignored if you don’t live in Israel at a certain time.They even say that when God makes a covenant it is only temporary.They say a covenant adding to the first wipes the first one out.Yet, they seem to rely on the second covenant, never wondering if God would wipe that one out, too.They say that because God does not withhold salvation over our sins we must not know of sins, that knowledge is worthless to us.They acknowledge the Holy Spirit that it can lead to us knowing God but say that by following that we must not follow instructions on how to live for those that do are law keepers and trying to keep law is unworthy.Anything else the Holy Spirit leads to, they say is OK, just not law.

I thought certain things about God were given as true and all scripture was written by the same God and agrees.God is love and expresses that.We are to worship the one true God.God is eternal.I hadn’t come across people who questioned that before.We would need to accept these basic things about God in order to move ahead.The things I listed above deny the basics of God.

In today's world, God's word is the only thing that can be trusted.. So unlearn what you've learned

While Jesus fulfilled much of the Old Covenant, he did not change one jot or tittle of the law (Matthew 5:18). Keeping the law is Christian, all 10 commandments are condensed into the 2 greatest commandments recited by Christ (Matthew 22:37-40). God did not change from one covenant to another (Hebrews 13:8). The old is in the new and the new in the old. Christ simply removed the curse of the law, but not the law itself. We now live under Grace and are justified in Christ, who bore our transgressions on the cross. Look around, sin has not disappeared, and Christ instructed us saying; "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me" (John 14:21). When Paul said that we are no longer under the law, he meant that we are no longer bound (condemned) by the law. Jesus kept all the law, he didn't nullify it. So while the blood ordinances and Levitical priest statutes were fulfilled in Christ, the moral attributes of the law are all still in effect and applicable today.

 

[nl]

I had so hoped that CC would lead me to a deeper understanding of scripture as we all got together in our search of scripture.

Instead I learned that the church today believes that God’s word is not to be trusted, for large groups of scripture are for Jews only.They say it is not a book of eternal truths for some of what they say must be ignored if you don’t live in Israel at a certain time.They even say that when God makes a covenant it is only temporary.They say a covenant adding to the first wipes the first one out.Yet, they seem to rely on the second covenant, never wondering if God would wipe that one out, too.They say that because God does not withhold salvation over our sins we must not know of sins, that knowledge is worthless to us.They acknowledge the Holy Spirit that it can lead to us knowing God but say that by following that we must not follow instructions on how to live for those that do are law keepers and trying to keep law is unworthy.Anything else the Holy Spirit leads to, they say is OK, just not law.

I thought certain things about God were given as true and all scripture was written by the same God and agrees.God is love and expresses that.We are to worship the one true God.God is eternal.I hadn’t come across people who questioned that before.We would need to accept these basic things about God in order to move ahead.The things I listed above deny the basics of God.

Red Tent,

Jesus Christ in the Bible told us that there would be false prophets. Let us not be surprised.

False christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive.
MARK 13:22

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
MATTHEW 7:15

Every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
MATTHEW 7:17

The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine…. But you be watchful in all things.
2 TIMOTHY 4:3, 5

There are few who find it.
MATTHEW 7:14

 

[BradC]

In today's world, God's word is the only thing that can be trusted.. So unlearn what you've learned

While Jesus fulfilled much of the Old Covenant, he did not change one jot or tittle of the law (Matthew 5:18). Keeping the law is Christian, all 10 commandments are condensed into the 2 greatest commandments recited by Christ (Matthew 22:37-40). God did not change from one covenant to another (Hebrews 13:8). The old is in the new and the new in the old. Christ simply removed the curse of the law, but not the law itself. We now live under Grace and are justified in Christ, who bore our transgressions on the cross. Look around, sin has not disappeared, and Christ instructed us saying; "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me" (John 14:21). When Paul said that we are no longer under the law, he meant that we are no longer bound (condemned) by the law. Jesus kept all the law, he didn't nullify it. So while the blood ordinances and Levitical priest statutes were fulfilled in Christ, the moral attributes of the law are all still in effect and applicable today.

What you are saying is that we are still under the law, just not the condemnation part. We have to keep ourselves under the law but when we transgress it we don't have to be condemned. Is this the new Jew, the spiritual Jew who can still have the law and keep it but without the condemnation or curse? Is the purpose of keeping the law and being under it as a NT believer for the sake of righteousness or for the sake of something else? If obeying the law of the old covenant without condemnation is what the NT believer is to keep, then why have the Spirit of God dwell in me? Is the Spirit just a token to remind me of what I have been given under the law of the old covenant? Is this what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross when he said in (John 19:30) 'it is finished'? Now we can live under the law with no condemnation? OR did Jesus finish the work of putting all sin away (John 1:29, Heb 9:26), once and for all, so that when we believe we are no longer under any condemnation but we are free from the dominion of sin (Rom 8:2) that was being continually strengthened by the law (1 Cor 15:56).

2 Cor 3:6-18

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

 

[nl]

What you are saying is that we are still under the law, just not the condemnation part. We have to keep ourselves under the law but when we transgress it we don't have to be condemned. Is this the new Jew, the spiritual Jew who can still have the law and keep it but without the condemnation or curse? Is the purpose of keeping the law and being under it as a NT believer for the sake of righteousness or for the sake of something else? If obeying the law of the old covenant without condemnation is what the NT believer is to keep, then why have the Spirit of God dwell in me? Is the Spirit just a token to remind me of what I have been given under the law of the old covenant? Is this what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross when he said in (John 19:30) 'it is finished'? Now we can live under the law with no condemnation? OR did Jesus finish the work of putting all sin away (John 1:29, Heb 9:26), once and for all, so that when we believe we are no longer under any condemnation but we are free from the dominion of sin (Rom 8:2) that was being continually strengthened by the law (1 Cor 15:56).

2 Cor 3:6-18

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

There was an old covenant under Moses. There is a New Covenant under Christ. Satisfying the old contract is not an option. Acceptance with a God, if achieved, comes through the new contract. There are bi-lateral conditions and commitments under both. God never changes. God still hates wickedness and loves righteousness. Jesus was the firstborn from the dead. Resurrection and judgment before Christ awaits us all. The Book of Revelation reveals things otherwise yet to be revealed. Read and heed.

 

[crossnote]

In today's world, God's word is the only thing that can be trusted.. So unlearn what you've learned

While Jesus fulfilled much of the Old Covenant, he did not change one jot or tittle of the law (Matthew 5:18). Keeping the law is Christian, all 10 commandments are condensed into the 2 greatest commandments recited by Christ (Matthew 22:37-40). God did not change from one covenant to another (Hebrews 13:8). The old is in the new and the new in the old. Christ simply removed the curse of the law, but not the law itself. We now live under Grace and are justified in Christ, who bore our transgressions on the cross. Look around, sin has not disappeared, and Christ instructed us saying; "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me" (John 14:21). When Paul said that we are no longer under the law, he meant that we are no longer bound (condemned) by the law. Jesus kept all the law, he didn't nullify it. So while the blood ordinances and Levitical priest statutes were fulfilled in Christ, the moral attributes of the law are all still in effect and applicable today.

Hebrews 7:11-12 So if perfection had in fact been possible through the Levitical priesthood – for on that basis the people received the law – what further need would there have been for another priest to arise, said to be in the order of Melchizedek and not in Aaron’s order?
For when the priesthood changes, a change in the law must come as well.

 

[RedTent]

Everyone is saying that the Mosaic covenant was broken and is gone. But not one person will say what is gone. One says "the purpose of the old covenant was". But not what the Mosaic Covenant is. Well, here is what the church is saying has been cancelled:

Deut 28 "And if you faithfully obey the voice of the Lord your God, being careful to do all his commandments that I command you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth. 2 And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, if you obey the voice of the Lord your God. 3 Blessed shall you be in the city, and
blessed shall you be in the field. 4 Blessed shall be the fruit of your womb and the fruit of your ground and the fruit of your cattle, the increase of your herds and the young of your flock. 5 Blessed shall be your basket and your
kneading bowl. 6 Blessed shall you be when you come in, and blessed shall you be when you go out.

It does not say that if you obey you will be saved, for that is taken care of with the blood covenant, first used when the blood of animals were used to produce coverings for Adam and Eve. If fact, the Hebrews were saved from slavery before this covenant was given to us, their salvation had been established. It is only for those who were saved. You can see this in operation to this day. Following how God leads gives us fruits of the spirit. Following sin and hate leads to unhappiness.

 

[Zinzerio]

Do you always try to understand or do ya sometimes have to go the attack to ? If the holy spirit wills it for ya proclaim Gods holy word and yur heart convicts you too then so be it, fear of knowing whether it came from God is a God thing i think.
Dont get so beat up abar things because the lord knows the heart can be deceived by a lie and turning to the truth about the law being holy rightouse and true and the word which is able to save our souls [SUP]james 1:21 [/SUP]Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

So there for where the words is able to save our souls then this must be true John 14:16 16"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; so that you may keep thy commandments.


and if the law is the word then the law can save us too Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
15"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

 

[Dan58]

Hebrews 7:11-12 So if perfection had in fact been possible through the Levitical priesthood – for on that basis the people received the law – what further need would there have been for another priest to arise, said to be in the order of Melchizedek and not in Aaron’s order?
For when the priesthood changes, a change in the law must come as well.

The Levitical priesthood didn't change, it ended. Christ became our advocate and High Priest after the order of Melchizedek. The law (commandments) didn't end, only the curse of the law. In other words, we aren't condemned by the law, Jesus bore our punishment and its our faith in him that satisfies the law. Its why Jesus asked the adulteress, "Woman, where are thy accusers?" The law demanded her stoning, but Christ suffered in her stead. Note that Jesus didn't nullify her transgression of the law, but acknowledged her sin when he advised her to "Go and sin no more".

 

[StoneThrower]

What do you think the Mosaic Covenant is? Who broke it when? Do you think that if one person breaks a covenant it is then broken for all time for everyone?

Mosaic Covenant is completed in Christ, its fullfilled.

 

[StoneThrower]

What exactly did all the people break? What exactly is the Mosaic Covenant.

The Mosaic Covenant is a conditional covenant made between God and the nation of Israel at Mount Sinai (Exodus 19-24). It is sometimes called the Sinai Covenant but is more often referred to as the Mosaic Covenant since Moses was God’s chosen leader of Israel at that time. The pattern of the covenant is very similar to other ancient covenants of that time because it is between a sovereign king (God) and his people or subjects (Israel). At the time of the covenant, God reminded the people of their obligation to be obedient to His law (Exodus 19:5), and the people agreed to the covenant when they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do!” (Exodus 19:8). This covenant would serve to set the nation of Israel apart from all other nations as God’s chosen people and was as equally binding as the unconditional covenant that God made with Abraham because it is also a blood covenant. The Mosaic Covenant is a significant covenant in both God’s redemptive history and in the history of the nation of Israel through whom God would sovereignly chose to bless the world with both His written Word and the Living Word, Jesus Christ.

The Mosaic Covenant was centered around God's giving His divine law to Moses on Mount Sinai. In understanding the different covenants in the Bible and their relationship with one another, it is important to understand that the Mosaic Covenant differs significantly from the Abrahamic Covenant and later biblical covenants because it is conditional in that the blessings that God promises are directly related to Israel’s obedience to the Mosaic Law. If Israel is obedient, then God will bless them, but if they disobey, then God will punish them. The blessings and curses that are associated with this conditional covenant are found in detail in Deuteronomy 28. The other covenants found in the Bible are unilateral covenants of promise, in which God binds Himself to do what He promised, regardless of what the recipients of the promises might do. On the other hand the Mosaic Covenant is a bilateral agreement, which specifies the obligations of both parties to the covenant.

The Mosaic Covenant is especially significant because in it God promises to make Israel “a kingdom of priests and a holy nation” (Exodus 19:6). Israel was to be God’s light to the dark world around them. They were to be a separate and called-out nation so that everyone around them would know that they worshiped Yahweh, the covenant-keeping God. It is significant because it is here that Israel received the Mosaic Law that was to be a schoolmaster pointing the way towards the coming of Christ (Galatians 3:24-25). The Mosaic Law would reveal to people their sinfulness and their need for a Savior, and it is the Mosaic Law that Christ Himself said that He did not come to abolish but to fulfill. This is an important point because some people get confused by thinking that keeping the Law saved people in the Old Testament, but the Bible is clear that salvation has always been by faith alone, and the promise of salvation by faith that God had made to Abraham as part of the Abrahamic Covenant still remained in effect (Galatians 3:16-18).

Also, the sacrificial system of the Mosaic Covenant did not really take away sins (Hebrews 10:1-4); it simply foreshadowed the bearing of sin by Christ, the perfect high priest Who was also the perfect sacrifice (Hebrews 9:11-28). Therefore, the Mosaic Covenant itself, with all its detailed laws, could not save people. It is not that there was any problem with the Law itself, for the Law is perfect and was given by a holy God, but the Law had no power to give people new life, and the people were not able to obey the Law perfectly (Galatians 3:21).

The Mosaic Covenant is also referred to as the Old Covenant (2 Corinthians 3:14; Hebrews 8:6, 13) and was replaced by the New Covenant in Christ (Luke 22:20; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 8:8; 8:13; 9:15; 12:24). The New Covenant in Christ is far better than the old Mosaic Covenant that it replaces because it fulfills the promises made in Jeremiah 31:31-34, as quoted in Hebrews 8.



Read more: What is the Mosaic Covenant?​

 

[RedTent]

StoneThrower;1631210]

The Mosaic Covenant is a conditional covenant made between God and the nation of Israel at Mount Sinai (Exodus 19-24). It is sometimes called the Sinai Covenant but is more often referred to as the Mosaic Covenant since Moses was God’s chosen leader of Israel at that time. The pattern of the covenant is very similar to other ancient covenants of that time because it is between a sovereign king (God) and his people or subjects (Israel). At the time of the covenant, God reminded the people of their obligation to be obedient to His law (Exodus 19:5), and the people agreed to the covenant when they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do!” (Exodus 19:8). This covenant would serve to set the nation of Israel apart from all other nations as God’s chosen people and was as equally binding as the unconditional covenant that God made with Abraham because it is also a blood covenant. The Mosaic Covenant is a significant covenant in both God’s redemptive history and in the history of the nation of Israel through whom God would sovereignly chose to bless the world with both His written Word and the Living Word, Jesus Christ.

The Mosaic Covenant was centered around God's giving His divine law to Moses on Mount Sinai. In understanding the different covenants in the Bible and their relationship with one another, it is important to understand that the Mosaic Covenant differs significantly from the Abrahamic Covenant and later biblical covenants because it is conditional in that the blessings that God promises are directly related to Israel’s obedience to the Mosaic Law. If Israel is obedient, then God will bless them, but if they disobey, then God will punish them. The blessings and curses that are associated with this conditional covenant are found in detail in Deuteronomy 28. The other covenants found in the Bible are unilateral covenants of promise, in which God binds Himself to do what He promised, regardless of what the recipients of the promises might do. On the other hand the Mosaic Covenant is a bilateral agreement, which specifies the obligations of both parties to the covenant.

The Mosaic Covenant is especially significant because in it God promises to make Israel “a kingdom of priests and a holy nation” (Exodus 19:6). Israel was to be God’s light to the dark world around them. They were to be a separate and called-out nation so that everyone around them would know that they worshiped Yahweh, the covenant-keeping God. It is significant because it is here that Israel received the Mosaic Law that was to be a schoolmaster pointing the way towards the coming of Christ (Galatians 3:24-25). The Mosaic Law would reveal to people their sinfulness and their need for a Savior, and it is the Mosaic Law that Christ Himself said that He did not come to abolish but to fulfill. This is an important point because some people get confused by thinking that keeping the Law saved people in the Old Testament, but the Bible is clear that salvation has always been by faith alone, and the promise of salvation by faith that God had made to Abraham as part of the Abrahamic Covenant still remained in effect (Galatians 3:16-18).

Also, the sacrificial system of the Mosaic Covenant did not really take away sins (Hebrews 10:1-4); it simply foreshadowed the bearing of sin by Christ, the perfect high priest Who was also the perfect sacrifice (Hebrews 9:11-28). Therefore, the Mosaic Covenant itself, with all its detailed laws, could not save people. It is not that there was any problem with the Law itself, for the Law is perfect and was given by a holy God, but the Law had no power to give people new life, and the people were not able to obey the Law perfectly (Galatians 3:21).
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I feel as certain that you are mixed up about scripture as you are that you understand perfectly!! God's promises were directed to Israel, they were sanctified, but when the curtain was ripped, it also closed the division between Jews and gentiles, now we are grafted in when we accept the Lord and we are included without becoming Jews.

God's promises in relating to the Mosaic Law never ever had anything to do with being saved, the promises of blessings are apart from salvation and always was. And following any of the law brings blessings, disobeying one does not stop that. If we relied on obedience for salvation that would be true, but it is not true in regard to blessings.

The Mosaic Covenant never says it takes away sin, and it never did that. There is a difference between what the giving of blood in the sacrificial system did for salvation, the real blood is more effective. Again, if you go back to the time the veil was split when Christ gave up the ghost, it explains that. But to say that there was no atonement (salvation as it was before Christ) is saying scripture is not true.

 

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GOD said if you love me then keep my commandments.

GOD gave us ten commandments that were written and engraven on stone and he also gave us the two commandments that work by love.

If the words GOD gave us should be adhered to wheather its new testament or old testament and the bible says not to mix grace with law(I mean you receive it as a gift or you receive it because you earned it)
then how does a person be under both?
I think the law is a guide to grace.

How do you keep both?
The bible says we are not to mix them.

ten commandments(called the administration of death)written and engraven on stone.
two commandments(works by love and fulfills all the law)