How much error is too much?

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phil112

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The bible tells us not to forsake the assembling together with believers. It also tells us not to have fellowship with unrighteousness. So where do you draw the line?

I draw the line at doctrine. My understanding is that false doctrine is what puts you in danger of hell fire and that is what I want to avoid. We can argue and discuss a lot of bible, but the word of God is clear on what we have to know to go to heaven.


There are literally thousands of sects/religions in this world. A question I ask is "how many of them can possibly be right"? Obviously, only one, if that many. The bible has only one way. Christ exhorted us to be like Him, think like Him, and act like Him. I always ask God to keep me focused on His word and bring any erroroneus thinking I might do to my attention.

I got saved before my dad passed and we talked about this very thing. I told dad, "I hope I don't hurt your feelings, but I am not going to take anyones word for it. I am going to check everything I hear against the bible."
If Paul didn't have a problem with being checked up on, neither should anyone. And I got crossways with dad more than once. Not only did he teach me things about the bible, thru prayer and study I was able to show him some things.

I disagree with many of you here. Do you stop to think that that isn't how christians are to be? Do you simply point the finger at me, and shrug it off? How many times do you, when you believe differently than another, get on your knees and ask God to clarify the difference? I do. One thing I stand in fear of more than dying, more than anything man can do, is saying God said something He didn't. He is all. If we are wrong about Him, we are in deep.

Is it possible to study His word so much that He will disapprove? When you discuss the word and someone shows you to be in error, are you ashamed? You should be. If you are 100% on what you are talking about you shouldn't be talking, you should be listening.
2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Earth is temporary. Eternity is what our complete focus should be on. The word of God is the means we have to obtain eternal life. Study harder, God won't mind. You can't get too much of His word. Paul has shown us the mystery of Christ. There is no need to pretend it is difficult, or that you have to have someone's book to understand it. It is there in plain sight. Ask a brother, not a religious entrepreneur or businessman.

1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
I don't go to church. I don't know of one church, not only in driving distance, but anywhere, that teaches, preaches, and believes the whole bible. As much as I crave fellowship and being with like-minded people, there doesn't appear to be any around. So I am unable to do as Paul asked. That is sad, but the world is not getting closer to God, and it will only get worse.
I know one thing: That is better than fellowshiping with unrighteousness. So tell me, do you fellowship with unrighteousness?
 
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Raine

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This is why I have been church hunting for the past year... Got tired of churches that made grace sound like an excuse to not live a life fully committed to Christ - an easy way to live life, when Christ has obviously called us to do more than that. I know I have only begun to learn the true essence of God, but he has placed a beautiful deep, deep hunger within me to learn more about him and I am ecstatic about this!
 
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kennethcadwell

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I no longer go to a church building either, instead I have others in my house and invite others over to my house to worship and bible study together.

We being told to go to our place of worship, and to get together with other believers does not always have to be a mass multitude. Just a few or so is good to.

We are not to worship with unrighteous, but we are pulled to show the unrighteous were they falter and help them to get on the right track.

To many disregard that fact, and instead spend more time debating with other brothers and sisters in Christ on whose belief system is better or right or wrong. Or just do nothing at all but set back, read the bible, go to church, and then live their lives.

They pay no attention to our Lords commands to help others, be forgiving to all, and to repent of sins they commit.
 
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2Thewaters

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This is why I have been church hunting for the past year... Got tired of churches that made grace sound like an excuse to not live a life fully committed to Christ - an easy way to live life, when Christ has obviously called us to do more than that. I know I have only begun to learn the true essence of God, but he has placed a beautiful deep, deep hunger within me to learn more about him and I am ecstatic about this!


the spirit is in you

wonderful there are children here in this forum this is one of the last bastions of the truth

anywy

get baptised as the Bible says inf the father and son and holy ghost
give your life 100% to him
and go for no sin

one sin is too much
Take each one and give it to Jesus he forgives and fills with even more grace
soon you are so deep in peace and love nothing can shake you
it is awsome

sure we get tempted but less and less

and each day you sin is a wonderful to thrtake that sin to Jesus and say HELP ME get rid of that one

and he does

awsome walk

you are not perfect but JESUS IS
Jesus blood covers you daily and forgives and the walk gets closer every day

how does he talk to you?
the word of God

open your mind and texts from the Bible come faster and faster and flood your mind

you want an answer?
ask in prayer open mind and the texts come

all these posts here are not from me I dont know anything
i read a post
pray
and the texts come and come and come and I type them in

I learn like everyone else here

Jesus is good.
he wants this relationship with EVERY PERSON
everyon

come ye to the water

give me of the living water

here come the texts
I can do all things through christ who strengtheneth me
I am with you to the end of the world

let no man dake thy crown
fight the good fight of faith

praise his name
Praise the Lord for his mercy endureth forever.

when you begin to give up the sun worship sin, and keep the sabbath you will be filled with the sabbath blessing
and you will never want anything else

total imemersion in his love and word

totally awsome

rememvber on sabbath
read bible
read psalm
sing psalms (youll have to make up the tune)
and pray on your knees
and ask for more grace every prayer
it will be given

see you in the concentration camps!

:)
 
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p_rehbein

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I love my church and my church family..............we do not agree on every single crossed "t" or dotted "I" but we are of one mind and of one Lord and Saviour.

We have no creed but the Bible.........we believe the Entire Word of God.......and that is what we teach..........

I would not be complete without my church family.............there would be sorrow instead of joy in my heart, for I would become "less" than a part of the family of God.

We are all a part of the Body............it serves no good purpose to separate from the Body...........if you don't believe me, then read Scripture.......Paul spoke of this.........
 

Ella85

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This is why I have been church hunting for the past year... Got tired of churches that made grace sound like an excuse to not live a life fully committed to Christ - an easy way to live life, when Christ has obviously called us to do more than that. I know I have only begun to learn the true essence of God, but he has placed a beautiful deep, deep hunger within me to learn more about him and I am ecstatic about this!

I agree babe,

I have been to a few different churches, you know I was raised Catholic right?? I swear there was a Catholic church I was attending about 3 years ago.... the priest was such a grumpy old man, there was no joy in the church.
I then started attending another church close to my home, loved it was so much better. The priests were always having fun and laughing so much better to see.
My friend and I are going to be attending a new Christian church in the next few weeks when she gets back from her honey moon I can't wait so excited!
 

gb9

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well, I found a great church, but it is not easy. another church built a brand new building and moved right across the highway from my house, went one time. will never go back. so much false teaching everywhere. so if you have a good church, thank God for it, for they are hard to find.
 

KohenMatt

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Let me put the shoe on the other foot if I may? Assuming that you don't everything 100% correctly right now (which all of us are in that same point, and will be until we pass), are there people who will refuse to worship with you because you're "unrighteous" and believe falsely right now?

All of us have recognized those times where we've been in error in our thinking and understanding of God's Word and even His will. But many of us have been passionately in love with God at that same time. So it is with everyone else, including those in churches/fellowships. Fellowshipping shouldn't be a matter of only doing with those who believe exactly like we do (or even mostly likely we do). It's a matter of fellowshipping with those who love God and, and where God tells us to. Everyone is in the exact same state you are, not knowing everything correctly, but still needing fellowship.

So yes, I do fellowship with the "unrighteous" because I myself am "unrighteous" except for the mercy graciously given to all Believers.
 

gb9

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well, that is true matt, but here is the thing: you go to one church they say you are not saved if you do not tithe, another church says God heals, if you don't get healing it is not enough faith on your part, yet another says you are hell- bound if you have a beer, smoke, or watch t.v. these are all unbiblical, so I would not call these " errors" I would call this false teaching.
 

KohenMatt

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well, that is true matt, but here is the thing: you go to one church they say you are not saved if you do not tithe, another church says God heals, if you don't get healing it is not enough faith on your part, yet another says you are hell- bound if you have a beer, smoke, or watch t.v. these are all unbiblical, so I would not call these " errors" I would call this false teaching.
If it gets to that extreme, I agree with you. But I think there are very few communities where all of the churches fall into that extreme of a situation.
 

notuptome

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I suppose in a worst case scenario we could say that the only intolerable error is in the cardinal doctrines of the faith. The deity of Christ, the efficacy of the blood of Christ, the bodily resurrection of Christ, and the inspiration of the bible.

Good churches are hard to find because the majority of folks do not want good churches, only churches good enough to present the appearance of good Christians go here. They will tolerate some change but not a complete change of life.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

crossnote

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HOW MUCH ERROR IS TOO MUCH?

Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

1 Corinthians 5:6-7 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

This applies both doctrinally and in practice.
 
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Hashe

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Now why am I not surprised that many don't go to church?
 
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Joh_13:35By this all people will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

1 John 4:20If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.

Phil, you have stated that you believe in Christ and go to Him for forgiveness of sins, that makes you my brother.I have stated I believe in Christ and go to Him for my sins, that makes me your sister.Because I have also stated that I believe in the 119[SUP]th[/SUP] Psalm, you have said I am going to hell.Read 1 John 4:20!!

It is up to us to help our churches to the truth, and for each of us to learn the truth as closely as we can.Our organized church today may be like one of the seven churches told of in Revelation.If we feel sure that we are speaking for the Lord, and are of the real church, we need to help our floundering organized church.Ezra did just that when the synagogues in Babylon got so far from the Lord.Read his story, it will inspire you.
 

crossnote

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Did I just see a scud missle head towards Phil's house?
 
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StoneThrower

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The bible tells us not to forsake the assembling together with believers. It also tells us not to have fellowship with unrighteousness. So where do you draw the line?

I draw the line at doctrine. My understanding is that false doctrine is what puts you in danger of hell fire and that is what I want to avoid. We can argue and discuss a lot of bible, but the word of God is clear on what we have to know to go to heaven.


There are literally thousands of sects/religions in this world. A question I ask is "how many of them can possibly be right"? Obviously, only one, if that many. The bible has only one way. Christ exhorted us to be like Him, think like Him, and act like Him. I always ask God to keep me focused on His word and bring any erroroneus thinking I might do to my attention.

I got saved before my dad passed and we talked about this very thing. I told dad, "I hope I don't hurt your feelings, but I am not going to take anyones word for it. I am going to check everything I hear against the bible."
If Paul didn't have a problem with being checked up on, neither should anyone. And I got crossways with dad more than once. Not only did he teach me things about the bible, thru prayer and study I was able to show him some things.

I disagree with many of you here. Do you stop to think that that isn't how christians are to be? Do you simply point the finger at me, and shrug it off? How many times do you, when you believe differently than another, get on your knees and ask God to clarify the difference? I do. One thing I stand in fear of more than dying, more than anything man can do, is saying God said something He didn't. He is all. If we are wrong about Him, we are in deep.

Is it possible to study His word so much that He will disapprove? When you discuss the word and someone shows you to be in error, are you ashamed? You should be. If you are 100% on what you are talking about you shouldn't be talking, you should be listening.
2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Earth is temporary. Eternity is what our complete focus should be on. The word of God is the means we have to obtain eternal life. Study harder, God won't mind. You can't get too much of His word. Paul has shown us the mystery of Christ. There is no need to pretend it is difficult, or that you have to have someone's book to understand it. It is there in plain sight. Ask a brother, not a religious entrepreneur or businessman.



I don't go to church. I don't know of one church, not only in driving distance, but anywhere, that teaches, preaches, and believes the whole bible. As much as I crave fellowship and being with like-minded people, there doesn't appear to be any around. So I am unable to do as Paul asked. That is sad, but the world is not getting closer to God, and it will only get worse.
I know one thing: That is better than fellowshiping with unrighteousness. So tell me, do you fellowship with unrighteousness?
All,
This is slightly off track, but vitally important if you don’t have a church home you need one, it’s not optional or healthy for you! Finding a church home can be hard, but not going at all is no excuse.
Try the TMS web page
http://www.tms.edu/AlumniByCityState.aspx

As another poster mentioned, you don’t need to agree with secondary issues, but the fundamentals of the faith and basic core doctrine that is essential for salvation and a right understanding of what is Christian belief you do need.

For those that home church I hope and pray you have elders that care for your soul, or you have a coffee clutch instead of a church.

We can debate the need in another thread if need be, but please make it a priority and not forsake the assembly.
 
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Did I just see a scud missle head towards Phil's house?
You mean that "By this you will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another" is a "scud missle head. Whatever missle is, it isn't in the dictionary. I thought that passage was a word of God.
 

crossnote

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Did I just see a scud missle head towards Phil's house?
You mean that "By this you will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another" is a "scud missle head. Whatever missle is, it isn't in the dictionary. I thought that passage was a word of God.
No, it was this...

''Phil, you have stated that you believe in Christ and go to Him for forgiveness of sins, that makes you my brother.I have stated I believe in Christ and go to Him for my sins, that makes me your sister.Because I have also stated that I believe in the 119th Psalm, you have said I am going to hell.Read 1 John 4:20!!''

p.s. try googling 'scud missle'
 
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I don't go to church. I don't know of one church, not only in driving distance, but anywhere, that teaches, preaches, and believes the whole bible. As much as I crave fellowship and being with like-minded people, there doesn't appear to be any around. So I am unable to do as Paul asked. That is sad, but the world is not getting closer to God, and it will only get worse.
I know one thing: That is better than fellowshiping with unrighteousness. So tell me, do you fellowship with unrighteousness?
Christ is building his church and I would rather be the mat outside the door in his church than be a leader following the doctrine of man. As I always say you don't need anyone to teach you how to get to hell you can get there doing nothing.
 
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No, it was this...

''Phil, you have stated that you believe in Christ and go to Him for forgiveness of sins, that makes you my brother.I have stated I believe in Christ and go to Him for my sins, that makes me your sister.Because I have also stated that I believe in the 119th Psalm, you have said I am going to hell.Read 1 John 4:20!!''

p.s. try googling 'scud missle'
The two people in this world who say I am going to hell, Phil and Crossnote! I must be reporting God's word correctly sometimes, to generate such hate for that report! Thank you. Christ was hated for telling what scripture says, too.