Outdated Religions

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2Thewaters

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The fathers,
the fatehrs,
the fathers !
we must follow the fathers they say!

We must keep our religion as it was in the dark ages! they say.

The Bible says forget the fathers traditions.

let me show you.

You need the Bible the word of God now.
and prayer
and faith in the blood of Jesus to keep us and cleans us in the flesh
For Jesus christ God Almighty is come in the flesh!
for us!

SHun now Outdated religons of old tired false doctrines

Jesus told us
1 Pet 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1 Pet 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1 Pet 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1 Pet 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.


our hope should not be in the FATHERS but in the BIBLE

ever hear of MORE LIGHT?

the fathers did not have all the light!
right?

EXAMPLE WHY THE FATHERS ARE NOT OUR CONFIDENCE
THE FATHERS ARE IN ERROR
The Bible is not

THE EARLIEST FATHERS!

ever hear that?
MANS FIRST CNJECTURE OF AN EXAMPLE THE ATOM in many ancient cultures such as Greece and India. The word "atom", in fact, was coined by ancient Greek philosophers. However, these ideas were founded in philosophical and theological reasoning rather than evidence and experimentation.

were they right?
NO!
THEY WERE WRONG! The FATHERS of the atom were WRONG!
because they dont have new light and new study
As a result, their views on what atoms look like and how they behave were very incorrect. They also couldn't convince everybody, so atomism was but one of a number of competing theories on the nature of matter.


The gold foil experiment
Top: Expected results: alpha particles passing through the plum pudding model of the atom with negligible deflection.
Bottom: Observed results: a small portion of the particles were deflected by the concentrated positive charge of the nucleus.​

The physicist J. J. Thomson, postulated that the low mass, negatively charged electrons were distributed throughout the atom in a uniform sea of positive charge. This became known as the plum pudding model.


In 1909, Hans Geiger and Ernest Marsden, observed a small fraction of alpha particles being deflected by angles greater than 90°. To explain this, Rutherford proposed that each atom has a nucleus where the positive charge and most of the mass are concentrated, .[SUP][12]


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IN 1913 radiochemist Frederick Soddy discovered that there appeared to be more than one type of atom at each position on the periodic table.[SUP][13][/SUP]

Margaret Todd as a suitable name for different atoms that belong to the same element. J.J. Thomson created a technique for separating atom types through his work on ionized gases, which subsequently led to the discovery of stable isotopes.[SUP][14][/SUP]


The Bohr model of the atom, with an electron making instantaneous "quantum leaps" from one orbit to another. This model is obsolete.​

in 1913, physicist Niels Bohr suggested that the electrons were confined into clearly defined, quantized orbits, and could jump between these, but could not freely spiral inward or outward in intermediate states like satellites orbiting a planet.[SUP][15][/SUP]

SO WHAT ABOUT THE FATHERS?

anyone sticking with the fathers is a fool

We respect their work but they were coming out of superstition


Any church that depends on the FATHERS is outdated and needs replacing

the Bible teaches us that many things the fathers believed were plain WRONG

baptism,

We need to follow GODS WORD WHICH IS NOT DTABLE and never changes and is the truth

as we learn more and more denominations change


first the calvins Lutherans Church of england and their daughter the baptists, and finally latest religions and offshoots, all not completely correct

going back to the fathers, like Going to the lutherans instead of going forward to the Bible

will mean you are stuck in old errors


each church discovered more truths and their followers were subsequently kiccked out of the older churhes

The true church is freedom in Jesus word without any fathers


stubbornly inssisting the EARLIEST FATHERS ARE THE BEST
is a stupid as sying the PLUM PUDDING ATOM MODEL IS THE BEST!


what will happen if you stick with the old fathers?

satan wants that
he wants you to never learn what you need to make it through the plagues

the big church was wrong in EVERYTING each subsequent church who dropped more and more fathers became more and more into the truth

and JEsus says

in the last days

the ones who find ALL TRUTH
come out of the fathers of babylon altogethr and have a direct relationship with JEsus

so

the fathers?
they did their job
dont listen to them or you will never learn the truth.

for the truth in atoms is quantum mechanics
and things based on the bohr atom work but are not all true

to go to heaven

we need quantum theory

the power to stop sinning altogether by the blood of Jesus power to unite divnity in humanity

and there will be 144,000 people left on the earth
who dont follow any fathers who were wrong
but JEsus

the fathers have expires
let us put away anyone who expires with them and go to the Bible
is the way the3 bible says to go

FOLLOW ME the word of God



Mat 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?




Mat 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Mat 15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
Mat 15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
Mat 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Mat 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Let the fathers rest in peace,

let us move on here in the world today into the truth ready to make us fit for heaven.

Amen, even so come Lord Jesus.
 
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2Thewaters

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The apostles are not the fathers
they are GODS prophets and messengers

the fathers I speak about are those that went into apostasy in the early years changeing God laws worshipping idols and taking the church into darkness

the darkest ones they cal FATHERS

forget them

stick with the Bible
Stick with JEsus
Stick with JEsus apostles
and every word of God!
 
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Hashe

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#3
You believe there was no church for 1800 years right?
what sort of God starts a church and then lets it disappear for 1800 years until ... the great Armstrong turns up and shows the world he really knows the truth and lost truth of the bible.
What absolute rubbish. Why people believe such things is totally beyond me.
Basically what you believe is that the apostles, who were taught by Jesus, completely failed to teach anybody else the truth, despite Jesus telling to do that. And that the Holy Spirit, completely failed them in enabling them to teach anybody else the truth.
 

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The apostles are not the fathers
they are GODS prophets and messengers

the fathers I speak about are those that went into apostasy in the early years changeing God laws worshipping idols and taking the church into darkness

the darkest ones they cal FATHERS

forget them

stick with the Bible
Stick with JEsus
Stick with JEsus apostles
and every word of God!
Dump the Fathers, oh ok, but then why should anyone listen to you?
 

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you do err in this thinking

You have to honor the fathers

are it will not go well with you
 

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I believe the bible talks about a great persacution started in those days

and yes the roman fathers did us no favers and will be sorry they decieved the whole world
 
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Last

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Don't trust the early Church fathers because of atoms?

For one, atomism has nothing to do with theology or the church fathers. Greeks hundreds of years before them reasoned that if you continue to cut an object, eventually it will stop being whatever it is. In modern physics, people discovered that there are 'atoms' for if you split an atom of an element in half, it will no longer be an atom of that element. It will be two atoms of a different element.

This has nothing to do with the fathers and is the silliest thing I have ever heard.
 
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I believe the bible talks about a great persacution started in those days

and yes the roman fathers did us no favers and will be sorry they decieved the whole world
Well, the fathers in the Roman/Latin world were the ones that primarily suffered by the empire, who persecuted Christians