The Gentiles Sacrifice To Devils

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is everything that the Gentile church has concerning God is a form of devil worship?

Rapture - no, nothing to do with the devil .
Easter - easter bunnies are not evil.
Christmas - unless Jesus is the devil, no.
trinity - no.
going to heaven - no, devil worship would involve going to hell.
memorial day - dont know.
sunday - nothing evil about sunday.
eat anything you want just pray over it - amen to that, love that pork.
don't have to keep the Law - amen.
don't have to be circumcsied - not a problem, circumcision is child abuse anyway
 
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mcubed

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I do understand what you are saying Ozell, or what I think you are trying to say.
There are three ways to view Torah:
1. Torah is past and over.
2. Torah is valid for the Jews only.
3. Torah is valid for all mankind today and always.
To accept number one (1) would mean that G-d changes His ways, which is impossible, for He said, "I am YHVH, I change not," Malachi 3:6, and "I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one small letter or one punctuation mark will in any way be removed from the Torah," Matthew 5:18.
To accept number two (2) would mean G-d has a double standard, which cannot be since it is written, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear Elohim, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of mankind, for Elohim will bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it is good, or whether it is evil." Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, and "The soul who acts presumptuously, whether he is born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproaches YHVH, and that soul shall be cut off from among his people, " Numbers 15:30.
That leaves us with number three (3). The usual opposition to number three comes from misunderstanding both the nature of Torah and the principles behind it. The key to understanding the truth is this:
1. Establish first that G-d does not change.
2. If you believe that Yeshua is G-d in the flesh then you must accept that His own "hand" invented Torah and He cannot conflict with Himself. If He is the same "yesterday, today and forever" then His thoughts are the same at all times.
3. Establish that the foundation for the New Covenant is the former (Old) Covenants. Not visa versa. If Moses is the house, and Yeshua is the builder, why would Yeshua tear down His own house(Hebrews 3:2-4)?
4. None of G-d's covenants can conflict or contradict, so the only thing that is truth is that understanding which allows for unity between them, without removing any of them.
5. G-d blessed Israel with His truth, and as a just and loving G-d He wants all people to have what He gave Israel. That is why G-d commanded Israel to be a witness of His commandments to the nations (Isaiah 43:9-10).
The Shabbat is Saturday. G-d rested on the seventh day and commanded us to also. The biblical food laws are for today His Word lives forever and does not change. And the Lord commanded all of mankind to forever celebrate Passover and Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) they have their Easter. However, we are all one positionally in Yashua but sadly not in practice. We, Jew and non-Jew alike are all His bride.
I do not celebrate Christmas per-say and even though every one knows His birthday is in spring it is still a beautiful thing to recognize a day to Yashua my Messiah for if He would have not come in the flesh Salvation for none of us Jew/non-Jew would have never happened. We all miss it on many points the Jew and non-Jew alike, however I am grateful for the non-Jewish Christian no matter what holidays the celebrate or what day they consider Holly because they are making my people jealous and bringing my people to their Messiah.
 
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ozell

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MahogonySnail;200316]is everything that the Gentile church has concerning God is a form of devil worship?

Rapture - no, nothing to do with the devil
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where is the word in the bible?

Easter - easter bunnies are not evil.
do rabbits lay eggs? so where is the truth in this

Christmas - unless Jesus is the devil, no.
do you when Jesus was born? did Jesus ever have a mass? where is the truth?

trinity - no.
read me God the holy ghost from the bible?

going to heaven - no, devil worship would involve going to hell.
Jesus said

Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

when did man go or is Jesus lying?

memorial day - dont know.
should we worship the dead?

sunday - nothing evil about sunday.
what day did Jesus say keep holy the sabbath or sunday?

eat anything you want just pray over it - amen to that, love that pork.
you can love anything you want, but it is written not to eat swine flesh and again love it all you want except you cannot find where the Lord said you can eat it.

don't have to keep the Law - amen.
the earth is full of killers, thieves, adulterers, liars, etc all who beleive in Jesus

don't have to be circumcsied - not a problem, circumcision is child abuse anyway
I guess abraham was a child abuser along with Joseph and mary when they had Jesus circumcised.

Ignorance is not excuse!!!

try again!!!!
 
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ozell

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=mcubed;200567]I do understand what you are saying Ozell, or what I think you are trying to say.
There are three ways to view Torah:
1. Torah is past and over.
2. Torah is valid for the Jews only.
3. Torah is valid for all mankind today and always.
To accept number one (1) would mean that G-d changes His ways, which is impossible, for He said, "I am YHVH, I change not," Malachi 3:6, and "I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one small letter or one punctuation mark will in any way be removed from the Torah," Matthew 5:18.
To accept number two (2) would mean G-d has a double standard, which cannot be since it is written, "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear Elohim, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of mankind, for Elohim will bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it is good, or whether it is evil." Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, and "The soul who acts presumptuously, whether he is born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproaches YHVH, and that soul shall be cut off from among his people, " Numbers 15:30.
Mt 7v21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


That leaves us with number three (3). The usual opposition to number three comes from misunderstanding both the nature of Torah and the principles behind it. The key to understanding the truth is this:
1. Establish first that G-d does not change.
2. If you believe that Yeshua is G-d in the flesh then you must accept that His own "hand" invented Torah and He cannot conflict with Himself. If He is the same "yesterday, today and forever" then His thoughts are the same at all times.
3. Establish that the foundation for the New Covenant is the former (Old) Covenants. Not visa versa. If Moses is the house, and Yeshua is the builder, why would Yeshua tear down His own house(Hebrews 3:2-4)?
4. None of G-d's covenants can conflict or contradict, so the only thing that is truth is that understanding which allows for unity between them, without removing any of them.
5. G-d blessed Israel with His truth, and as a just and loving G-d He wants all people to have what He gave Israel. That is why G-d commanded Israel to be a witness of His commandments to the nations (Isaiah 43:9-10).
:)

The Shabbat is Saturday. G-d rested on the seventh day and commanded us to also. The biblical food laws are for today His Word lives forever and does not change. And the Lord commanded all of mankind to forever celebrate Passover and Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) they have their Easter. However, we are all one positionally in Yashua but sadly not in practice. We, Jew and non-Jew alike are all His bride.
only if we do as he says.


I do not celebrate Christmas per-say and even though every one knows His birthday is in spring it is still a beautiful thing to recognize a day to Yashua my Messiah for if He would have not come in the flesh Salvation for none of us Jew/non-Jew would have never happened. We all miss it on many points the Jew and non-Jew alike, however I am grateful for the non-Jewish Christian no matter what holidays the celebrate or what day they consider Holly because they are making my people jealous and bringing my people to their Messiah.]
yet xmas is still wrong!!! which Jesus are they worshipping the one born on Dec 25 or the one no one knew even the wise men did not know and they were wise.

2Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Paul and the Apostles never preached about a Jesus born of dec 25th
 
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ozell

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to where?

Paul speaks about a third heaven

2Cor 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

which heaven can man be taken up to?
 
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ozell

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You go on to list those things which constitute "sacrifices to devils". anyone who disagrees with you will be equated with devil worship. Don't insult people and say it is in love. You are not so dull that you don't know what you are trying to do.
I holding conversation and hoping for feedback.

I'm giving my understanding and expect others would do the same.

you gave yours and I'n not trying to convince people that you are worng.

please participate or ignore the topic.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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How dare you hurt porky pigs feelings!
Me? Oh, I guess assuming that may tell everyone that I'm a little.....Am I thinking aloud again....Wait, it's on a coumputer so it can't be aloud, unless I have a mic and I....[walks away feeling confused].
 
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ozell

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Ps 68:33 To him that rideth upon the heavens of heavens, which were of old; lo, he doth send out his voice, and that a mighty voice.

Ps 148:4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

which one of these heavens do man go to?

which one is the 3rd heaven Paul speaks of?
 
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ozell

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Abraham was not a Israelites or Jew. God made a covenant with him, his seed and the stranger among him.

Gen 17v 9: And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10: This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11: And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12: And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13: He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14: And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

who changed the covenant?
 

pickles

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Do you ask to find answers?
Or do you ask to condemn?
I do not see faith in your words or the love of God Our Father, Our Lord Jesus, or his Holy Spirit.
So what is it you really want to say?
Are you so afraid yourself that you seek answers because of fear?
I ask because I wonder if the reason you post what you do because you are so lost and afraid.
Why not just ask, how can any of us be certian of our faith?
The answer is faith, hope Love.
Sounds kinda mushy but all that you strive for in Jesus must have this as the cornerstone.
Then Jesus shows you the rest through his word, by obediance, through his Love, through Our Father in heaven. Through his Holy Spirit.
If you cannot have this faith, then no knowladge will save you.
Because it is not by you that you are saved, but by Jesus Our Lord and Savior.
God bless, pickles
 
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miktre

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I thought these guys were the ones who sacrifice to devils.



 
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jesus_be4_religion

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#35
I believe in heaven.

Man cannot go to heaven according to the bible.

man cannot go to the heaven where the Father Jesus and the holy angels dwell.

Explain this statement from Jesus

Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

How absolute is no-man?
No man could go to Heaven till Christ paved the way, that is why none had been there as of when Christ declared that statement. Flesh and blood cant inherit heaven that is why it says that our bodies will be of a different glory when we enter heaven. We will no longer be physical beings but like Christ we will be spiritual.
 
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ozell

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Do you ask to find answers?
Or do you ask to condemn?
I do not see faith in your words or the love of God Our Father, Our Lord Jesus, or his Holy Spirit.
So what is it you really want to say?
Are you so afraid yourself that you seek answers because of fear?
I ask because I wonder if the reason you post what you do because you are so lost and afraid.
Why not just ask, how can any of us be certian of our faith?
The answer is faith, hope Love.
Sounds kinda mushy but all that you strive for in Jesus must have this as the cornerstone.
Then Jesus shows you the rest through his word, by obediance, through his Love, through Our Father in heaven. Through his Holy Spirit.
If you cannot have this faith, then no knowladge will save you.
Because it is not by you that you are saved, but by Jesus Our Lord and Savior.
God bless, pickles

How about participating in the discussion and stop worrying about my intentions.

I post this topic because I want to hear responses.

God bless
 
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ozell

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No man could go to Heaven till Christ paved the way, that is why none had been there as of when Christ declared that statement. Flesh and blood cant inherit heaven that is why it says that our bodies will be of a different glory when we enter heaven. We will no longer be physical beings but like Christ we will be spiritual.
amen.

when will all that you said happen?
 

pickles

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#39
How about participating in the discussion and stop worrying about my intentions.

I post this topic because I want to hear responses.

God bless[/quote/

This is a responce to your words.
Your post was on the intentions of those that , as you say sacrifice to devils.
As Jesus said , I am the way the truth and the light!
Keep your eyes on me.
It takes no effort to see sin.
There is no question as to the tribulations that lay ahead.
Too often many look to seeing only the evil that is in the world.
Seeking only the condemnation of all , using the word to make all christians focus only on where we fail.
I said what I did in hope that you would see this. Not to bring you down,
Jesus said he did not come into the world to condem us, but to save us.
Satan is working hard to make all feel as though they have no hope, because he knows that hope is what will sustain us in the days ahead.
I do not dispute that corruption is rampant.
But when these things come to pass there will be three things that last!
Faith, hope and love.
I have always known that this is what will sustain us. I have seen the face of evil and can tell you that it is these gifts that will carry us through. Again, faith , hope, love.
Jesus came too give us the greatest gift and act of love He gave his life on the cross, conquered death, and rose again so that we may have hope.

Every day I see and hear so much about how satan tries to convince the children of God that they are failures.
Most that want to know Our Lord Jesus ,see themselves as failures and too sinfull to be loved by God.
Or see only a faith of condemnation.
Satan constantly wispers to all about what they should or should'nt be doing.
Filling them with fear, weakness, anxiety, doubt.
He hates it when we as christians look away from his condemnations and look only to Our Lord Jesus.
Because when we keep our eyes on Our Lord Jesus, he makes steady our heart, puts our feet on a good path, clears our minds so that we can pray.
When we look only to Jesus with faith, hope and love.
All we do, is that which Our Father in Heaven asks of us.
Wise as the serpent , yet gentle as the dove.
If we spend all our time looking for that which is wrong, then that which should truelly be our streangth
goes unfed.
We as christians need to see that what will sustain us is through Jesus.
Faith,hope and love.
We all will see plenty of evil in the days ahead.
What will be hard to find will be his greatest gifts.
Again, Faith Hope Love.

I apoligise for attacking you.
It just breaks my heart in Jesus when all is about our failure instead of salvation.
So my words were, what I hoped to pevent.
But you yourself said , you wanted opinions.
I should have worked harder to encourage instead.
I should have made it clear that what I wanted to witness in faith for, is what Jesus wants us to see.
His sacrifice, his gifts, his love, our salvation in him.

Again I am sorry for the way I first posted.
Always in the Love of Jesus Our Lord and Savior.
God bless, pickles
 
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ozell

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what day did Jesus tell us to keep holy?

Lk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

what day did Paul keep holy?

Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Long after Jesus death and resurrection Paul still kept the sabbath and taught the gentiles to observe and keep it holy.
 
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