The Gentiles Sacrifice To Devils

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ozell

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Paul said

1Cor 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

is everything that the Gentile church has concerning God is a form of devil worship?

Rapture
Easter
Christmas
trinity
going to heaven
memorial day
sunday
eat anything you want just pray over it
don't have to keep the Law
don't have to be circumcsied

can we find this teaching in the word of God?
 
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ozell

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Isa 29:

15: Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?

16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?


Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;


Mt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


Lk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25: And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26: Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27: And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
 
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ozell

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Paul said to the Jew first, then the Gentile

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

Jesus kept the 7th day of the week holy

Lk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

why won't the Gentile keep the 7th day week Holy? the Jews did it why not the Gentiles?

Jesus kept the passover and is the passover, even kept it as a sacrifice for us.

1Cor 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

yet the gentiles keep easter, where did Jesus keep easter? where did he sacrifice himself for your sins on Easter?

what blood are you under when you keep easter?

Jesus told the Jews to remember his death.


Lk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

the gentiles said remember his birth, christmas.

what Jesus is this that says celebrate his birth, where is this written.

why is this added?

where we told not to add to God's word?
 
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Paul said

1Cor 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

is everything that the Gentile church has concerning God is a form of devil worship?

Rapture
Easter
Christmas
trinity
going to heaven
memorial day
sunday
eat anything you want just pray over it
don't have to keep the Law
don't have to be circumcsied

can we find this teaching in the word of God?
I agree with you on most points. Rapture, Easter, Christmas, trinity, going to heaven, and about not having to be circumcised. These are Not Biblical! But I have an issue in some form on your other listings.

Without quoting scripture as of yet, lets look at it logically. Or rather, with a little common sense.

Sunday.
God is God EVERYDAY of the week. Not just on saturday. If a man worships the TRUE GOD but does it on a sunday will he receive the fire?

Eating unclean meats
God said in Genesis that everything He made was GOOD. If a man worships the TRUE GOD every sabbath and the day he dies decides to have a ham sandwich, does he deserve the fire?

The Law
What does it mean to keep the Law? I for one can't go to church on a saturday. I would lose my job. But now in putting my Job on a pedestal I break the first commandment. By the law even walking long distances on the Sabbath was considered work.

The Problem
The letter of the law was all but inpossible to keep. As stated earlier by the letter, even cleaning your house was considered work on the Sabbath. Not to mention all the Ordinances and regulations added because of our transgression of the 10 commandments.

The solution
The moral law is the ONLY law that is SPIRITUAL! Even a person in his right mind who has never even picked up a Bible knows that it's wrong to steal or to lie or kill someone. But in this moral law lies a commandment that we all stumble on. REMEMBER THE SABBATH! God said that he made the world in six days and that the seventh is holy and that we should do no work therein. But look at what it's caused.
There are papers about Rome that says that there MARK on the church is sunday. So naturally we who follow the commandments will say that everyone who worships on sunday has received the mark.
Well, what if I tell you that the mark ISN'T sunday? The mark is the BELIEF that sunday is the mark!!
When God uttered the ten commandments out of the cloud, He instructed us to REMEMBER the Sabbath; to KEEP IT HOLY! If you've read the Bible, you might've noticed a subtle theme to not forget that which we've heard from the beginning! Now as to the Sabbath, ask yourself this question. Whos days are God referring to? Are these God's days are man's days He speaks of? Well, if you have your Bible let's find out! Let's finally do what the Bible says and GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING! In Genesis, God created the world in six days. But in this story is perhaps the most overlook words NOT MENTIONED! The first six days ended with "and thus the evening and the morning were the (1st-6th) day. Then on the seventh it states that He rested in it from all his work...... But it NEVER said it ended!! Spiritually we are still on God's seventh day! One of the biggest lies ever told was that it took 6 literal days to create. And once we finally realize what the Sabbath is we will truly find rest. And once again enter back into it!
I can worship the True God anyday of the Week!
I can eat whatever I want. Jesus said that what goes into a man doesn't defile him but what comes out!
This is what it means to be circumcised
If I go to a sunday church and tell them that they are uncircumcised in the flesh because the worship the creation (i.e. the trinity), I will be ridiculed!
If I go to a sabbath (by the letter of the law) keeping church and tell them that they are uncircumcised in the heart (faith of jesus to rest in the sabbath) I will be ridiculed!
Then truly you will understand

Luke 21:14-20
Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19In your patience possess ye your souls. 20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Paul said

1Cor 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

is everything that the Gentile church has concerning God is a form of devil worship?

Rapture
Easter
Christmas
trinity
going to heaven
memorial day
sunday
eat anything you want just pray over it
don't have to keep the Law
don't have to be circumcsied

can we find this teaching in the word of God?
Wow. Normally there's sort of warm-up period before you condemn everyone else. Going to heaven is devil worship? Good luck with that.
 
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ozell

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Ozell,

You don’t believe in heaven?
I believe in heaven.

Man cannot go to heaven according to the bible.

man cannot go to the heaven where the Father Jesus and the holy angels dwell.

Explain this statement from Jesus

Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

How absolute is no-man?
 
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ozell

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Wow. Normally there's sort of warm-up period before you condemn everyone else. Going to heaven is devil worship? Good luck with that.
I'm not condemning! I'm not judging, just give some input on the topic and lets discuss.

Its a topic that I put on another site and it generated great responses and views.

I think it will do the same here. No malice or disruption intended.

lets discuss the word of God.

what do you think?

lets read the words of Jesus and you tell me if man is in heaven or will go to heaven?

Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

what did Jesus say above?

Lets read what Paul said..

1Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

now I ask you when will man rid itself of this flesh and blood and corruption?

at death or the resurrection?
 
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ozell

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truthseeker1976;195425]I agree with you on most points. Rapture, Easter, Christmas, trinity, going to heaven, and about not having to be circumcised. These are Not Biblical! But I have an issue in some form on your other listings.

Without quoting scripture as of yet, lets look at it logically. Or rather, with a little common sense.

Sunday.
God is God EVERYDAY of the week. Not just on saturday. If a man worships the TRUE GOD but does it on a sunday will he receive the fire?
we are not talking about worship we are talking about keeping holy and not doing your work.

Lets read
8: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9: Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

If we kept all days holy then we would starve to death because we could not cook. correct?

did not the Lord kill a man for picking up sticks on the sabbath?

Num 15:32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33: And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34: And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35: And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

who am I to say if the man should be burned with fire or stoned, yet the Lord said stone him with stones.

Eating unclean meats
God said in Genesis that everything He made was GOOD. If a man worships the TRUE GOD every sabbath and the day he dies decides to have a ham sandwich, does he deserve the fire?
It is good when you understand the truth. lets read
1Tm 4v 1: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2: Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3: Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4: For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Do you think Adam and Eve knew the truth? Noah did.
before the flood the same side which Adam and Eve was on. the father and mother of Noah.

lets read
Gen 7v1: And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
2: Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3: Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
4: For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
5: And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
7: And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
8: Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
9: There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

now you see the sanctification(separation) of the things you can eat and the things you cannot eat before the flood. is this not truth? is this not the word of God? all things are good.
all things are not good to eat!

lets look at the judgement of those that eat things that the Lord commanded not to eat.
In Isaiah lets read what the Lord is going to do to those who eat swine flesh and abomnible things

Isa 66v 15: For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
17: They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

you mak the judgement on what that means?

The Law
What does it mean to keep the Law? I for one can't go to church on a saturday. I would lose my job. But now in putting my Job on a pedestal I break the first commandment. By the law even walking long distances on the Sabbath was considered work.
Mt 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

try to keep it holy, God understands and pray that the Lord will unhardened the heart of the boss and grant you the sabbath off.

It worked for me!

The Problem
The letter of the law was all but inpossible to keep. As stated earlier by the letter, even cleaning your house was considered work on the Sabbath. Not to mention all the Ordinances and regulations added because of our transgression of the 10 commandments.
why would Jesus tell you to keep something that is impossible? show me that in the bible?

John said

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

who should I believe you or John?


The solution
The moral law is the ONLY law that is SPIRITUAL! Even a person in his right mind who has never even picked up a Bible knows that it's wrong to steal or to lie or kill someone. But in this moral law lies a commandment that we all stumble on. REMEMBER THE SABBATH! God said that he made the world in six days and that the seventh is holy and that we should do no work therein. But look at what it's caused.
There are papers about Rome that says that there MARK on the church is sunday. So naturally we who follow the commandments will say that everyone who worships on sunday has received the mark.
Well, what if I tell you that the mark ISN'T sunday? The mark is the BELIEF that sunday is the mark!!
When God uttered the ten commandments out of the cloud, He instructed us to REMEMBER the Sabbath; to KEEP IT HOLY! If you've read the Bible, you might've noticed a subtle theme to not forget that which we've heard from the beginning! Now as to the Sabbath, ask yourself this question. Whos days are God referring to? Are these God's days are man's days He speaks of? Well, if you have your Bible let's find out! Let's finally do what the Bible says and GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING! In Genesis, God created the world in six days. But in this story is perhaps the most overlook words NOT MENTIONED! The first six days ended with "and thus the evening and the morning were the (1st-6th) day. Then on the seventh it states that He rested in it from all his work...... But it NEVER said it ended!! Spiritually we are still on God's seventh day! One of the biggest lies ever told was that it took 6 literal days to create. And once we finally realize what the Sabbath is we will truly find rest. And once again enter back into it!
I can worship the True God anyday of the Week!
I can eat whatever I want. Jesus said that what goes into a man doesn't defile him but what comes out!
This is what it means to be circumcised
If I go to a sunday church and tell them that they are uncircumcised in the flesh because the worship the creation (i.e. the trinity), I will be ridiculed!
If I go to a sabbath (by the letter of the law) keeping church and tell them that they are uncircumcised in the heart (faith of jesus to rest in the sabbath) I will be ridiculed!
Then truly you will understand

Luke 21:14-20
Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
Jesus said

Jn 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

Have we made it to the 7th day or 7000 year? No!

so Jesus work and the Father work.

Jesus said

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

and


Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Jesus told us to keep the sabbath day holy
Jesus gave us a dietary law
Jesus said no man uncircumcised in heart and flesh will come near him
Jesus said no man has ascended to heaven

who do you fear and Love? Jesus or those who will ridicule you?


Mk 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

when did Jesus change?
 
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I believe in heaven.

Man cannot go to heaven according to the bible.

man cannot go to the heaven where the Father Jesus and the holy angels dwell.

Explain this statement from Jesus

Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

How absolute is no-man?
I’m guessing that heaven is a clear conscience.
 
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Israel

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we are not talking about worship we are talking about keeping holy and not doing your work.

Lets read
8: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9: Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

If we kept all days holy then we would starve to death because we could not cook. correct?

did not the Lord kill a man for picking up sticks on the sabbath?

Num 15:32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33: And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34: And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35: And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

who am I to say if the man should be burned with fire or stoned, yet the Lord said stone him with stones.



It is good when you understand the truth. lets read
1Tm 4v 1: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2: Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3: Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4: For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Do you think Adam and Eve knew the truth? Noah did.
before the flood the same side which Adam and Eve was on. the father and mother of Noah.

lets read
Gen 7v1: And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
2: Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
3: Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
4: For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
5: And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
7: And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
8: Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
9: There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

now you see the sanctification(separation) of the things you can eat and the things you cannot eat before the flood. is this not truth? is this not the word of God? all things are good.
all things are not good to eat!

lets look at the judgement of those that eat things that the Lord commanded not to eat.
In Isaiah lets read what the Lord is going to do to those who eat swine flesh and abomnible things

Isa 66v 15: For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
17: They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

you mak the judgement on what that means?



Mt 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

try to keep it holy, God understands and pray that the Lord will unhardened the heart of the boss and grant you the sabbath off.

It worked for me!



why would Jesus tell you to keep something that is impossible? show me that in the bible?

John said

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

who should I believe you or John?




Jesus said

Jn 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

Have we made it to the 7th day or 7000 year? No!

so Jesus work and the Father work.

Jesus said

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

and


Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Jesus told us to keep the sabbath day holy
Jesus gave us a dietary law
Jesus said no man uncircumcised in heart and flesh will come near him
Jesus said no man has ascended to heaven

who do you fear and Love? Jesus or those who will ridicule you?


Mk 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

when did Jesus change?

This is the letter of the law. And I am FULLY aware of it!
In these scriptures you state the underlying TRUTH OF THE WHOLE MATTER.
Timothy 4:3
Forbidding to marry, and COMMANDING TO ABSTAIN FROM MEATS, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of THEM WHICH BELIEVE AND KNOW THE TRUTH.

YES! Adam knew the TRUTH! Maybe not the law, but he knew very well the truth. The truth was he was naked before God! He didn't have to worry about what day he had to worship God. He walked with God everyday!
How did Noah know the law? Was it not God who had these animals delivered? They had also, of every clean and unclean animal went into the ark, TWO BY TWO AS GOD HAD COMMANDED THEM. And of All animals:
Deutornomy 12:15-18
Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh IN ALL THY GATES, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee: THE UNCLEAN AND THE CLEAN MAY EAT THEREOF, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart.

16Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water.
17Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand: 18But thou must eat them before the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto.

You see the difference? WITHIN THE GATES we were permitted to eat clean AND unclean!


To be sanctified is to be seperated or WITH IN THE GATES! Within the gates we ARE permited to eat unclean as well as clean meats. But what gates?
Revelation 22: 14-15
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may ENTER THROUGH THE GATES INTO THE CITY.
15FOR WITHOUT are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Now I will explain Isaiah. It says " they that sanctify THEMSELVES, and purify THEMSELVES in the gardens behind ONE TREE IN THE MIDST, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, SHALL BE CONSUMED TOGETHER, saith the LORD.

The first problem is they are trying to sanctify and purify THEMSELVES! Who sanctifies you?
Exodus 31:13
Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
How are we purified? Romans 5:8-9
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9Much more then, being now justified by HIS BLOOD, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

What is that tree? The same Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil! What really was that tree!? Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay,I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN, BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

AGAIN Ozell, I feel you are honest and sincere. So please harden not YOUR heart!
John 4:21-23
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Ozell, Beloved of God. You MUST COME INTO THE GATES! Go back to Genesis. Read it over and take heed to that which we've ALL heard in the beginning. For the day is almost over!

His commandments truly aren't grievious if you know the TRUTH.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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I believe in heaven.

Man cannot go to heaven according to the bible.

man cannot go to the heaven where the Father Jesus and the holy angels dwell.

Explain this statement from Jesus

Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

How absolute is no-man?
The key is the word "ascended".
 
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charisenexcelcis

Guest
#13
I'm not condemning! I'm not judging, just give some input on the topic and lets discuss.

Its a topic that I put on another site and it generated great responses and views.

I think it will do the same here. No malice or disruption intended.

lets discuss the word of God.

what do you think?

lets read the words of Jesus and you tell me if man is in heaven or will go to heaven?

Jn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

what did Jesus say above?

Lets read what Paul said..

1Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

now I ask you when will man rid itself of this flesh and blood and corruption?

at death or the resurrection?
"Gentiles sacrifice to the devil". You don't think that's condemnation. lol, you have some serious blind spots.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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This is the letter of the law. And I am FULLY aware of it!
In these scriptures you state the underlying TRUTH OF THE WHOLE MATTER.
Timothy 4:3
Forbidding to marry, and COMMANDING TO ABSTAIN FROM MEATS, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of THEM WHICH BELIEVE AND KNOW THE TRUTH.

YES! Adam knew the TRUTH! Maybe not the law, but he knew very well the truth. The truth was he was naked before God! He didn't have to worry about what day he had to worship God. He walked with God everyday!
How did Noah know the law? Was it not God who had these animals delivered? They had also, of every clean and unclean animal went into the ark, TWO BY TWO AS GOD HAD COMMANDED THEM. And of All animals:
Deutornomy 12:15-18
Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh IN ALL THY GATES, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee: THE UNCLEAN AND THE CLEAN MAY EAT THEREOF, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart.

16Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water.
17Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand: 18But thou must eat them before the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto.

You see the difference? WITHIN THE GATES we were permitted to eat clean AND unclean!


To be sanctified is to be seperated or WITH IN THE GATES! Within the gates we ARE permited to eat unclean as well as clean meats. But what gates?
Revelation 22: 14-15
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may ENTER THROUGH THE GATES INTO THE CITY.
15FOR WITHOUT are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Now I will explain Isaiah. It says " they that sanctify THEMSELVES, and purify THEMSELVES in the gardens behind ONE TREE IN THE MIDST, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, SHALL BE CONSUMED TOGETHER, saith the LORD.

The first problem is they are trying to sanctify and purify THEMSELVES! Who sanctifies you?
Exodus 31:13
Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
How are we purified? Romans 5:8-9
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9Much more then, being now justified by HIS BLOOD, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

What is that tree? The same Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil! What really was that tree!? Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay,I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN, BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

AGAIN Ozell, I feel you are honest and sincere. So please harden not YOUR heart!
John 4:21-23
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Ozell, Beloved of God. You MUST COME INTO THE GATES! Go back to Genesis. Read it over and take heed to that which we've ALL heard in the beginning. For the day is almost over!

His commandments truly aren't grievious if you know the TRUTH.
I know who you are! Hey everyone, guess who's back under a different name!
 
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ozell

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I’m guessing that heaven is a clear conscience.
the third Heaven is a place where The Father, Jesus and the holy angels dwell.

Paul spaks of 3 heavens

2Cor 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
 
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ozell

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"Gentiles sacrifice to the devil". You don't think that's condemnation. lol, you have some serious blind spots.
who wrote this?

1Cor 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

do you have a problem with Paul writings?
 
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charisenexcelcis

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who wrote this?

1Cor 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

do you have a problem with Paul writings?
You go on to list those things which constitute "sacrifices to devils". anyone who disagrees with you will be equated with devil worship. Don't insult people and say it is in love. You are not so dull that you don't know what you are trying to do.
 
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