Israel still god's people?

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kcar

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Yes they are still Gods people. They were Gods people when they worshiped the Golden calf, when they questioned God, when they complained against him. They were still Gods people when God banished them to the desert for 40 years for saying they would rather be in Egypt then in the promised land.
It is not based on their actions..but on Gods word. They are Gods people because He chose them to be the blood line where the Messiah (Jesus) would come from.
They were also chosen so that the world could see Gods mercy and grace, due to how badly and how frequently they mess up.
 
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pastac

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yes they are and anything contrary to that is very bad teaching at the basic level!!!
 

fozi

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Israel or the jews are the nation who always did against what God asked them to do.As a result of that God disliked them.They walked on earth for a long time and they did not have a country.And that was a punishment for them by God.............They created israel by taking land through fraud and their cunning ways.................now stop seeing the picture what jewish controlled media is showing by blaming hamas................for how long people want to remain in dark.............and want to believe what american govt is telling them...........because they have always supported them unjustly............israel is killing innocent children andpeople.............and UN. Is silent..................now people have closed their eyes at the brutalities of israel...............butGod is watching all this............jews will always b in bad books of God.and a day will come when he will take revenge of all the brutalities f israel and thesupporters of israel
 
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Im asking this because I cant believe that people who
go to war and kill innocent people, can still be god's people.
What is happening in Gaza is not humane.
And innocent people are paying the price.
Those people over there are not the Jews (Judah), but imposters of them.
True Israel is the tribes of the world.
 

crossnote

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Israel or the jews are the nation who always did against what God asked them to do.As a result of that God disliked them.They walked on earth for a long time and they did not have a country.And that was a punishment for them by God.............They created israel by taking land through fraud and their cunning ways.................now stop seeing the picture what jewish controlled media is showing by blaming hamas................for how long people want to remain in dark.............and want to believe what american govt is telling them...........because they have always supported them unjustly............israel is killing innocent children andpeople.............and UN. Is silent..................now people have closed their eyes at the brutalities of israel...............butGod is watching all this............jews will always b in bad books of God.and a day will come when he will take revenge of all the brutalities f israel and thesupporters of israel
We see the picture as God has revealed in His Word.
Even though they have been booted out by God twice, He has brought them back because of the unconditional everlasting Covenant God made with the Jews. In or out of the Land they have the title deed...it has nothing to do with our media...we know God's Word.

...Sounds like you support Hamas. Do you?
 
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posthuman

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i don't think either one of these statements are accurate...

Israel or the jews are the nation who always did against what God asked them to do.As a result of that God disliked them.They walked on earth for a long time and they did not have a country.And that was a punishment for them by God.............They created israel by taking land through fraud and their cunning ways.................now stop seeing the picture what jewish controlled media is showing by blaming hamas................for how long people want to remain in dark.............and want to believe what american govt is telling them...........because they have always supported them unjustly............israel is killing innocent children andpeople.............and UN. Is silent..................now people have closed their eyes at the brutalities of israel...............butGod is watching all this............jews will always b in bad books of God.and a day will come when he will take revenge of all the brutalities f israel and thesupporters of israel

the UN hasn't been 'silent' -- they've been calling for ceasefires and trying to broker them since day 1. and guess who is in Gaza setting up shelters and providing medical aid? who is bringing water and food into Gaza city? the UN. and it is UN personnel who are reporting many of the civilian tragedies on the ground.
God has said many times through His prophets that He will have compassion on Israel and restore her. He has never said Israel will 'always be bad' in His sight, but He has said that Jerusalem will be full of rejoicing. i don't believe in human Zionism, because God has said that He Himself will restore her. Ishmael is Abraham's firstborn, but the inheritance belongs to Isaac.
it is written in the book; you also may read it.


Israel is just in what they are doing. In the past they have relied on the USA to stop the bombardments, but as we have a Muslim president and the USA will not help them any longer. They have taken actions into their own hands and no one can blame them yet the media is blaming them and saying that Israel is the cause of the problem.

That means bad stuff for the USA.

if Obama is a Muslim, he is a very bad one, because he never prays to Mecca, he eats pork, he goes to a Christian church regularly and politically supports many things Muslims hate. his drones kill thousands and thousands of Muslims, and he sends billions of dollars in military aid to groups fighting jihadis.
if he's a socialist, he's also a very poor excuse for one, and any Muslim or socialist would be offended to hear you call him that.
what he is is a progressive centrist and appeaser, always trying to find some middle ground and compromise position that gives both liberals and conservatives some concession. because he is always taking half-measures, he is not as effective as any extremist would be either for good or for bad.
this is exactly how he has treated Israel: since day one, he has been outspoken supporting her right to defend herself against terrorist attacks. because of political pressure he sent Kerry to try to broker a cease-fire, but just like the GOP sends a ridiculous budget or a resolution to the Senate that they know will never pass, and even if it did, would be vetoed, he sent Kerry with ridiculous terms that he knew Israel would reject. so he can say later he made an effort.
with one hand he sent his ambassador with a completely unworkable offer, and with the other he OK's unlocking stockpiles of weapons and ammunition to Israel to continue their war. he sends billions to the IDF in aid and our military is working with them providing intel, and he sends millions in humanitarian aid to Gaza.
he's playing both sides as well as he can, while remaining Israel's friend. even the most hardline right wingers in Israel, disgusted by Kerry's offer, say he is not their enemy, but a stumbling friend that means well but doesn't understand how to help correctly.

God will never redeem Israel? nonsense. read the Bible.
Obama is a Muslim? nonsense. read the newspaper.

 

notuptome

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The OP is not clear on how Gods people are defined. Is Israel still the chosen nation among all the nations of the earth? Yep. Is God still using Israel to draw attention to His word and His Son? Yep. Israel is being chastised by God because she is disobedient and stiff necked but she still compels people to think about God.

Now the subtext of the question. Is it wrong for Israel to defend herself from attacks in which her citizens are being murdered? Yes, America would do the same, or at least she used to.

It is not murder to kill your enemies to defend yourself. Jesus told the disciples to take a sword with them to defend themselves from robbers. The commandment not to kill makes a distinction between killing and murder. What the Palestinians are doing is murder what Israel is doing in response is not murder but self defense. Every time Israel shows compassion towards the Palestinians and Hamas they live to regret it. If the other nations of the world want to criticize Israel let them walk in their shoes for a day and then see if their sensibilities are offended.

Make no mistake about it this is a religious war. Those with no religion ought to keep out.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Dalisa

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Yes they are still Gods people. They were Gods people when they worshiped the Golden calf, when they questioned God, when they complained against him. They were still Gods people when God banished them to the desert for 40 years for saying they would rather be in Egypt then in the promised land.
It is not based on their actions..but on Gods word. They are Gods people because He chose them to be the blood line where the Messiah (Jesus) would come from.
They were also chosen so that the world could see Gods mercy and grace, due to how badly and how frequently they mess up.
So I am not chosen because I am not of the bloodline of the Messias ?
 
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Dalisa

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And how can jews be god's people when they don't even agnolish Jesus...?!???

Judaism generally views Jesus as one of a number of false messiahs who have appeared throughout history.[1] Jesus is viewed as having been the most influential, and consequently the most damaging, of all false messiahs.[2] However, since the mainstream Jewish belief is that the messiah has not yet come and the Messianic Age is not yet present, the total rejection of Jesus as either messiah or deity in Judaism has never been a central issue for Judaism.Judaism has never accepted any of the claimed fulfillments of prophecy that Christianity attributes to Jesus
 

Ella85

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And how can jews be god's people when they don't even agnolish Jesus...?!???

Judaism generally views Jesus as one of a number of false messiahs who have appeared throughout history.[1] Jesus is viewed as having been the most influential, and consequently the most damaging, of all false messiahs.[2] However, since the mainstream Jewish belief is that the messiah has not yet come and the Messianic Age is not yet present, the total rejection of Jesus as either messiah or deity in Judaism has never been a central issue for Judaism.Judaism has never accepted any of the claimed fulfillments of prophecy that Christianity attributes to Jesus


Which bible are you reading???
 
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Ukorin

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I think that the current attitude of 'unconditional support to Israel', that is so very prevalent in American churches, is not Biblical.
If they are not Believers, they are not Chosen People.
Until they turn to Christ, or Christ returns, Israel is just another nation.

God has His purpose with their bloodline, but as Christians, we have a job to do in discipleship and evangelism,
not nation building!

God's Kingdom is spiritual today. He will GIVE them a REAL kingdom when He returns.
The nation today is not the prophesied Kingdom. It certainly sets things up for the End, but is it right to support Satan's efforts in the building of His prophecies false church? We are not responsible for forcing the fulfillment of those prophecies, but only responsible for fulfilling the Great Commision.

Bring the good news to the Israelites. Give their needy, orphans, and widows a helping hand.
But giving them weapons, war-funds, and unconditional moral support is grossly unbiblical.

They are not innocent of blood, nor innocent of unbelief. Our sentiment should remain neutral, and our actions should remain neutral.

Their special covenant and promises are put off until the Millennium. This unconditional support is a deceived effort.
The land Promise will not be fulfilled until the next dispensation, and the blessings for their supporters will not be fulfilled until the next dispensation.
 
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Ukorin

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Our prayers, thoughts, monies, and efforts need to go into building the Kingdom, not building a mere nation.
 
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jahsoul

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I think that the current attitude of 'unconditional support to Israel', that is so very prevalent in American churches, is not Biblical.
If they are not Believers, they are not Chosen People.
Until they turn to Christ, or Christ returns, Israel is just another nation.

God has His purpose with their bloodline, but as Christians, we have a job to do in discipleship and evangelism,
not nation building!

God's Kingdom is spiritual today. He will GIVE them a REAL kingdom when He returns.
The nation today is not the prophesied Kingdom. It certainly sets things up for the End, but is it right to support Satan's efforts in the building of His prophecies false church? We are not responsible for forcing the fulfillment of those prophecies, but only responsible for fulfilling the Great Commision.

Bring the good news to the Israelites. Give their needy, orphans, and widows a helping hand.
But giving them weapons, war-funds, and unconditional moral support is grossly unbiblical.

They are not innocent of blood, nor innocent of unbelief. Our sentiment should remain neutral, and our actions should remain neutral.

Their special covenant and promises are put off until the Millennium. This unconditional support is a deceived effort.
The land Promise will not be fulfilled until the next dispensation, and the blessings for their supporters will not be fulfilled until the next dispensation.
I liked this based off your first sentence and saying that our job is discipleship and evangelism.
 

notuptome

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I think that the current attitude of 'unconditional support to Israel', that is so very prevalent in American churches, is not Biblical.
If they are not Believers, they are not Chosen People.
Until they turn to Christ, or Christ returns, Israel is just another nation.

God has His purpose with their bloodline, but as Christians, we have a job to do in discipleship and evangelism,
not nation building!

God's Kingdom is spiritual today. He will GIVE them a REAL kingdom when He returns.
The nation today is not the prophesied Kingdom. It certainly sets things up for the End, but is it right to support Satan's efforts in the building of His prophecies false church? We are not responsible for forcing the fulfillment of those prophecies, but only responsible for fulfilling the Great Commision.

Bring the good news to the Israelites. Give their needy, orphans, and widows a helping hand.
But giving them weapons, war-funds, and unconditional moral support is grossly unbiblical.

They are not innocent of blood, nor innocent of unbelief. Our sentiment should remain neutral, and our actions should remain neutral.

Their special covenant and promises are put off until the Millennium. This unconditional support is a deceived effort.
The land Promise will not be fulfilled until the next dispensation, and the blessings for their supporters will not be fulfilled until the next dispensation.
God does the choosing not us. Show me where God said it was OK to reject Israel because they are disobedient.

I think it wise not to be part of the persecution of Israel. They are in God's hands and God will bring them to the point at which they will be ready to see their Messiah. Until then demonstrate God's goodness toward them and allow God to minister as He sees fit.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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kcar

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And how can jews be god's people when they don't even agnolish Jesus...?!???

Judaism generally views Jesus as one of a number of false messiahs who have appeared throughout history.[1] Jesus is viewed as having been the most influential, and consequently the most damaging, of all false messiahs.[2] However, since the mainstream Jewish belief is that the messiah has not yet come and the Messianic Age is not yet present, the total rejection of Jesus as either messiah or deity in Judaism has never been a central issue for Judaism.Judaism has never accepted any of the claimed fulfillments of prophecy that Christianity attributes to Jesus
If you do not have Israeli bloodline/Jewish heritage...then you are a Gentile and not a Jew (so therefore not one of Gods Chosen people in that respect) Gods Chosen people group are Jews. You are a chosen child of God that has been branched in from the gentiles. However you are not part of the chosen people group of God.

The rejection of Christ as the messiah by the Jewish people as well as the Jewish people not recognizing who He was when he was on earth has resulted in multiple tradgadies to the Jewish people. Remember Jesus weeping over Jerusalem?

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! 35Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

You would not...They rejected Jesus when He came to them...and because of them "your house is left to you desolate"...they were scattered around the nations because of this. They were also punished with spiritual blindness, because they refused to see what was right in front of them, when Jesus came to them

He goes on to say that they will not see Him until they say blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. Do you know when that will happen? It happens at the end of the tribulation...which is called in the scripture "the time of Jacobs Trouble"..Jacob is Israel. So the time of Israels troubles. God pours out His wrath on the earth and mainly His people during this time (so that they would know Him and turn back to Him) and the second that they do, the second the recognize Him as their messiah and the weep and repent He returns to them. This takes 7 years during the tribulation.

He is still their Messiah and they are still His people, and He will come and personally save them in the end of days when the nations of the world have surrounded her to destroy her.
 

crossnote

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Yet God has preserved a remnant of Jewish believers in their Messiah thru out generations...

Romans 11:1-5 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
 
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jahsoul

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Yet God has preserved a remnant of Jewish believers in their Messiah thru out generations...

Romans 11:1-5 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Again, Romans 11 have nothing to do with Jews... :(
 
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Fishbait

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Im asking this because I cant believe that people who
go to war and kill innocent people, can still be god's people.
What is happening in Gaza is not humane.
And innocent people are paying the price.
Yes they are. For the Jews, Jesus the Messiah has come as High Priest and through His once-for-all sacrifice for sin offers complete atonement to all people. For there is “no distinction” between Jew and Gentile (Romans 10:12). Yes, the Jews are God’s chosen people, and through them came the Jewish Messiah to bless all the nations of the earth. And it is only through Jesus that Jews can find God’s complete atonement and forgiveness.

While individual Jews must come to Christ for salvation, God is still not finished with Israel as a nation. The Bible tells us that in the end times, Israel will finally recognize Jesus as their Messiah (Zechariah 12:10). Jeremiah 33:8, Ezekiel 11:17, and Romans 11:26 predict that in the end times Israel will be regenerated, restored, and regathered in their homeland. This regathering took place in 1948 when Israel was recognized as a sovereign country by the United Nations.