Are Seventh Day Adventist the "Remnent Church"

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Brandon911

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As a SDA sometimes I get fed up with being called a cult or not Christian. I also know that the Bible teaches that the "remnant church" will be persecuted in the last days. I am also amazed on how many people criticize our teachings without knowing what they actually are. I suggest that those critical of the SDA go to the website www.Amazingfacts.org and learn what our teachings really are and where it is taught in the Bible.
 

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Where was the 'true' Church before MBE?
 
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Brandon911

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Where was the 'true' Church before MBE?
There have always been Bible Christians or the Remnant Church since the days of the apostles.
 

Dan58

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I think the SDA church would have more appeal if it wasn't one dimensional. I believe its a Christian church, but it evolves around the Sabbath to the point where Christ pretty much becomes a footnote. They have a "We keep the Sabbath", everyone else is hell-bound attitude. No offense intended, just my observations.

Like the LDS (Joseph Smith & Brigham Young), the SDA also has their own prophetess (Ellen White), and I think this sets other Christians off, much like those who endorse Margaret McDonald's rapture prophecy. These latter-day churches that originate with their own prophets raise suspicion among fundamentalist, because they believe that creating your own book in addition to the bible is a no no; "If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book" (Revelation 22:18).

My personal objection to the SDA Church is their interpretation of Revelation. They seem to believe the Catholic Church is the Beast. I don't believe in Catholicism either, but I doubt the Pope is the anti-Christ. Likewise, while I don't believe that Seventh Day Adventist are a cult, I think they classify as an off-shoot of Christianity, mainly because they claim an additional prophet and have misidentified the anti-Christ.
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Dan, I don't know if you are RC, but most the Reformers held that the papacy was the antichrist's throne. So you should be just as troubled about them.
 
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Brandon911

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I think the SDA church would have more appeal if it wasn't one dimensional. I believe its a Christian church, but it evolves around the Sabbath to the point where Christ pretty much becomes a footnote. They have a "We keep the Sabbath", everyone else is hell-bound attitude. No offense intended, just my observations.

Like the LDS (Joseph Smith & Brigham Young), the SDA also has their own prophetess (Ellen White), and I think this sets other Christians off, much like those who endorse Margaret McDonald's rapture prophecy. These latter-day churches that originate with their own prophets raise suspicion among fundamentalist, because they believe that creating your own book in addition to the bible is a no no; "If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book" (Revelation 22:18).

My personal objection to the SDA Church is their interpretation of Revelation. They seem to believe the Catholic Church is the Beast. I don't believe in Catholicism either, but I doubt the Pope is the anti-Christ. Likewise, while I don't believe that Seventh Day Adventist are a cult, I think they classify as an off-shoot of Christianity, mainly because they claim an additional prophet and have misidentified the anti-Christ.
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First of all WE do not believe that one goes to hell just because they don't keep the Sabbath, plus our teachings don't just revolve around the Sabbath, but the Gospel of Christ. Second, we do believe that ellen g. white was a prophetess, WE DO NOT hold her writings on the same level or above scripture. Most of ellen whites prophicies were about relying on scripture as absolute authority.
 
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I would prefer to call God's people a remnant people, rather than, a remnant church. When you attach the word, church, to it it becomes a denomination and God is not saving a denomination, he's saving a people. Here is how God defines His remnant people.

Revelation 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

This definition is found in many denominations other than the SDA. The remnant people of God won't be practicing such things as Christmas, Easter, Good Friday, 40 days of Lent, Halloween, Sunday resurrection, Sunday as the Lord's day. If you do practice these things it doesn't mean you are not part of God's remnant people, it just means you need more maturity in the ways of God. The closer you grow to God and mature in His ways the less fellowship you will be able to find, even among believers.

This is still the heart of God for His people. God does not change.

Deuteronomy 12:29-31 When the LORD goes ahead of you and destroys the nations and you live in their land, do not fall into the trap of following their customs and worshiping their gods. Do not inquire about their gods, saying, ‘How do these nations worship their gods? I want to follow their example.’ You must not worship the LORD the way the other nations worship their gods, for they perform for their gods everything the LORD hates.

When you practice such things as Christmas, Easter, Good Friday, 40 days of Lent, Halloween, Sunday resurrection, Sunday as the Lord's day and so many other things you have adapted to ways of the other nations and are worshiping God the way they worship their gods.
 
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How does one attain heaven or eternal life in the SDA?

For the cause of Christ
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As a SDA sometimes I get fed up with being called a cult...
Jesus and His followers were called a cult too by the religious people of their day. They even killed them.
 
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I disagree, maturity does not come through observation or abstaining from observation.

Maturity comes in being secure in salvation, and pressing on in good works.
Fellowship is easiest for the mature Christian, because they no longer need to separate themselves from the "babes in Christ" because their faith is firmly rooted,
but they instead cherish the fellowship with even the immature.


We are free to both abstain from any and everything, and also to partake in any and everything.
That is the freedom in Christ. It is no longer a sin to eat what was once called unclean, but we are also free to abstain from eating what is unclean. It is no longer a sin to observe the local feasts(holidays), but we are also free to abstain from celebrating them.

A mature Christian knows that they can celebrate local holidays. The mature Christian abstains from observing them when fellowshiping with those who believe it is a sin to observe. It is for the benefit of the one with weaker conscience,
not to the benefit of the mature, who knows that all is permissible.

I disagree with much that my SDA brothers preach,
but I still call them brothers, because they claim Christ as Lord.
 
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I disagree, maturity does not come through observation or abstaining from observation.

Maturity comes in being secure in salvation, and pressing on in good works.
Fellowship is easiest for the mature Christian, because they no longer need to separate themselves from the "babes in Christ" because their faith is firmly rooted,
but they instead cherish the fellowship with even the immature.


We are free to both abstain from any and everything, and also to partake in any and everything.
That is the freedom in Christ. It is no longer a sin to eat what was once called unclean, but we are also free to abstain from eating what is unclean. It is no longer a sin to observe the local feasts(holidays), but we are also free to abstain from celebrating them.

A mature Christian knows that they can celebrate local holidays. The mature Christian abstains from observing them when fellowshiping with those who believe it is a sin to observe. It is for the benefit of the one with weaker conscience,
not to the benefit of the mature, who knows that all is permissible.

I disagree with much that my SDA brothers preach,
but I still call them brothers, because they claim Christ as Lord.
Maturity moves away from basic principles and teaching, even about Jesus.

Hebrews 6:1-3 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction about cleansing rites, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead,and eternal judgment. And God permitting, we will do so.
 

LEPIDUS

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I disagree with much that my SDA brothers preach,
but I still call them brothers, because they claim Christ as Lord.
What do you disagree with? I've been to a couple of services and I can't say I disagree. I don't know, maybe I'm still learning about them. :/
 

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Maturity moves away from basic principles and teaching, even about Jesus. Hebrews 6:1-3 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction about cleansing rites, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead,and eternal judgment. And God permitting, we will do so.
It never list things about Jesus as basic things. Hebrews goes on to talk about Jesus things to the end of the epistle.A basic or rudimentary thing would be the issue of the Sabbath...a shadow of our rest we have in Christ.
 
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Ukorin

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What do you disagree with? I've been to a couple of services and I can't say I disagree. I don't know, maybe I'm still learning about them. :/
It's not productive to bring up all of the little disagreements.

In general, it's the disagreement of what our focus should be in our daily walk in Christ. Many would accuse them of legalism for holding strongly to the letter of the Law, and many of them would accuse us of laciviousness for exercising freedom in fulfilling the Spirit of the Law and not always the letter. The debates generally focus on what pleases God, and what is sin for a Believer.

They focus on the "city on a hill" being totally separate from the world in all aspects,
Where we focus on "being in the world, but not of it" as being a spiritual separation where our attitude, goals, and disposition are set apart from the world even as we walk amongst the worldly.

We view "conforming to the world" differently. They see it as both physical and spiritual, and we see it as spiritual and moral, and not always physical.

We view worrying about sabbaths and such as being physically minded, and not spiritual.
 
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Bookends

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As a SDA sometimes I get fed up with being called a cult or not Christian. I also know that the Bible teaches that the "remnant church" will be persecuted in the last days. I am also amazed on how many people criticize our teachings without knowing what they actually are. I suggest that those critical of the SDA go to the website www.Amazingfacts.org and learn what our teachings really are and where it is taught in the Bible.
Hey, your the one's who say if we don't follow Saturday Law we are doomed for Hell. For your information, the Church of Christ as been persecuted from it's very beginnings and will continue until the Lord comes again.
 

LEPIDUS

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It's not productive to bring up all of the little disagreements.
I only asked because I honestly have not heard anything I disagree with. I was wondering if maybe you have heard otherwise, I don't know maybe something like really unbiblical.

In general, it's the disagreement of what our focus should be in our daily walk in Christ. Many would accuse them of legalism for holding strongly to the letter of the Law, and many of them would accuse us of laciviousness for exercising freedom in fulfilling the Spirit of the Law and not always the letter. The debates generally focus on what pleases God, and what is sin for a Believer.

They focus on the "city on a hill" being totally separate from the world in all aspects,
Where we focus on "being in the world, but not of it" as being a spiritual separation where our attitude, goals, and disposition are set apart from the world even as we walk amongst the worldly.

We view "conforming to the world" differently. They see it as both physical and spiritual, and we see it as spiritual and moral, and not always physical.

We view worrying about sabbaths and such as being physically minded, and not spiritual.
I see your point.
 

LEPIDUS

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Well, this can work both ways. I can post a link of Catholic writings where popes claim they are to blame for changing The Sabbath to Sundays.

And I hardly say that a link of one particular person, probably with a grudge is an effective argument.

I wonder how many people who disagree with SDAs have actually been to their services, or studied why they believe what they do? Rather than just go by assumption or hearsay of others.

Mind you I am not SDA, but I think I am leaning towards that from what I understand from The Bible.
 
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Ukorin

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Well, this can work both ways. I can post a link of Catholic writings where popes claim they are to blame for changing The Sabbath to Sundays.
And I hardly say that a link of one particular person, probably with a grudge is an effective argument.

I wonder how many people who disagree with SDAs have actually been to their services, or studied why they believe what they do? Rather than just go by assumption or hearsay of others.

Mind you I am not SDA, but I think I am leaning towards that from what I understand from The Bible.
I have only been to one SDA service. I enjoyed most of it, however it got rather political more than a few times.
I doubt that all SDA services resemble that one.

I disagree with their teachings on prophecy and on our goals as Christians,
however I don't disagree with everything they say, and even find some of it refreshing.
Most of my contact with SDA doctrine is in reading books and on forums.

Be sure to test everything against the Word, and not let the Word be subject to private interpretation.