WHEN SAUL BECAME PAUL

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p_rehbein

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Ever wonder when Saul of Tarsus became Paul the Apostle?(Speaking of his name, not conversion or such)As best I can determine, this event is recorded in the 13[SUP]th[/SUP] Chapter of Acts, and occurred in Antioch at the beginning of Paul’s first Mission journey. In verse 9 it is written:9) Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,

After this verse, he is Paul.

That group of disciples that gathered in Antioch were an interesting and diverse group for sure.
Verse one lists some of those present:1) Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.


If you remember, earlier in Acts we see that Barnabas had gone to Jerusalem to fetch Saul, and bring him to Antioch. Another disciple joined them as well: Chapter 12:25) And Barnabas and Saul returned from Jerusalem, when they had fulfilled their ministry, and took with them John, whose surname was Mark.

When Barnabas and Paul left Antioch to begin their Mission work, this John Mark also traveled with them. 13:5 says: And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister. However, John Mark only stayed with them a short time Verse 9 says: Now when Paul and his company loosed from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem.

Note that now Saul is Paul, and from all I have read so far, Scripture records him as Paul from this point on. There are a couple of references to him once being called Saul, but only in historical context in my opinion.

The remainder of the 13[SUP]th[/SUP] Chapter of Acts is an account of Paul and Barnabas preaching the Gospel in the Synagogue at Antioch in Pisidia (not the same Antioch where they were first called Christians). When Paul was asked, he gave a short accounting of the History of the Jewish people. From their time in Egypt, to the wilderness, to the promise land, to the ministry of John the Baptist, to the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Paul showed them the lineage of Jesus from King David, and that it was Jesus that the Psalmist spoke of when he wrote: 35) Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

The next Sabbath marks an important point in the Church and Christianity. Verses 44 through 52 record the events of this important point. The Jews were angry that Gentiles were allowed in the Synagogue, and angry at Paul’s teachings. So much so, that they “stirred up the devout and honorable women, and the chief men of the city,” and expelled Paul and Barnabas from their coasts.(vs. 50)

As I understand it, this is the beginning point when Christianity, the Christian Faith went from being one for Jews, to being a Faith dominated by Gentiles. There were more than a few Gentiles who were saved during this time, and they were filled with the Holy Ghost. And the Gospel was published throughout all the Region according to vs. 48 and 49.

 

JimmieD

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It may be that Paul simply had two names: one Hellenistic name and one Hebrew/Jewish name. This wouldn't have been that uncommon.
 

p_rehbein

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Saul: Hebrew
Paul: Greek translation of Saul

Not the point though........ :) Prior to the 13th Chapter, verse 9 of Acts, he is always referred to as Saul. After that point, he is always referred to as Paul.

(now this part may not be Biblical, but it is interesting to me. When he was Saul, he was focused on preaching the Gospel to the Jews, when he became Paul, he was focusing on preaching the Gospel to the Gentiles)

Don't think folks said......."Hey, look, here comes Saul Paul!"

(just saying :) )
 
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As I understand it, this is the beginning point when Christianity, the Christian Faith went from being one for Jews, to being a Faith dominated by Gentiles. There were more than a few Gentiles who were saved during this time, and they were filled with the Holy Ghost. And the Gospel was published throughout all the Region according to vs. 48 and 49.
As in all scripture, when we try to simplify it and make any scripture have just one meaning without any depth, we get it a bit wrong because it is so incomplete. To understand that God is for all man and what the role of the Hebrews and the gentiles is in this is a long complicated study that starts with God creating the world and man. All through the Old Testament there are scriptures telling the Hebrews to welcome the "foreigner among you". Even this enters into this.

Something very profound happened when Christ was crucified and the veil was split having to do with Jews and gentiles. The second chapter of Ephesians talks of this: Eph 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Eph 2:19 So then you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with the saints, and members of God's household,

When Paul was sent to minister to gentiles, it is just part of a long story.

The fat lady hasn't sung, yet, having to do with all of this. After Christ was crucified, the Jews were still in control of the Christian Church for years until the Romans finally killed most of them by 135. After gentiles took over, they worked as hard against Jewish Christians as the Jews did against gentile Christians. By 325 it was illegal to have anything of the Old Testament mixed with gentile traditions incorporated into the Christian Church, and this influence is still in our churches today. It is spelled out with precision in reports of the long council called at Nicene. I am sure our Lord is watching all of this. Scripture says we are to be united. So, I repeat "the fat lady hasn't sung, yet".
 
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red, very little scripture is as complicated as you try to make it. To mask plain scripture is the only way you are able to justify the false doctrine you embrace.
When Saul was struck down on the road to Damascus he became a new man. He got saved. When you get saved you are a new person. His name change was necessary, no doubt, to make a public statement about that conversion, given his high profile in religious and political circles he was known in.
Hiw old name, Saul, was his jewish name. He, of all the disciples, was compelled to change his name to emphasize his conversion to a spiritual jew, since a literal jew no longer had more favor with God. His new spelling, Paul, being greek, illustrated his new alliance with the gentile (greek) whom he now reached out to.
None of this is complicated. It merely requires a little common sense and understanding.
 
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red, very little scripture is as complicated as you try to make it. To mask plain scripture is the only way you are able to justify the false doctrine you embrace.
When Saul was struck down on the road to Damascus he became a new man. He got saved. When you get saved you are a new person. His name change was necessary, no doubt, to make a public statement about that conversion, given his high profile in religious and political circles he was known in.
Hiw old name, Saul, was his jewish name. He, of all the disciples, was compelled to change his name to emphasize his conversion to a spiritual jew, since a literal jew no longer had more favor with God. His new spelling, Paul, being greek, illustrated his new alliance with the gentile (greek) whom he now reached out to.
None of this is complicated. It merely requires a little common sense and understanding.
So!! From your deep wisdom of knowing all, I am 'trying to make".

But for all other people, isn't scripture absolutely wonderful!! It is so simple it can be summed up with "Christ died to save us" and so deeply universal that we could devote a lifetime to learning from it and never understand its depth!
 
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Jesus had a habit of renaming a certain few
Jacob to Israel
Abram to Abraham
Saul to Paul etc.

Saul's conversion was quick, miraculous, full and complete as well as divine in nature.
As opposed to a slow progression of taking a lifetime of getting to know God.
Jacob wrestling with the Angel of the Lord was also divine in nature.
As was Abraham and his relationship with God.

I can imagine the reasons behind it are shedding of the old self to take on the new creation in the Lord as well as...
the Master showing full ownership of the servant.
IE: "I renamed you and You're Mine Now, you will answer to me"
 
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Shilo

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Like JimmieD said Saul had two names. He had a Hebrew name and a gentile name. In acts 13 we are told [SUP]9 [/SUP]Then Saul, who also is called Paul,. As you see here he is called by two names not a name change. Paul is of both Jew and Roman decent and would have a name for both. Ephesians 3: 8 Although I am less than the least of all God's people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentile the unsearchable riches of Christ Saul is preaching to the Gentiles so he would use his roman name or to put it in Paul's words,

1 Corinthians 9 [SUP]19 [/SUP]For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; [SUP]20 [/SUP]and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law,[SUP] [/SUP]that I might win those who are under the law; [SUP]21 [/SUP]to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God,[SUP] [/SUP] but under law toward Christ[SUP] [/SUP]), that I might win those who are without law; [SUP]22 [/SUP]to the weak I became as[SUP] [/SUP]weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.
 
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Luke tells us in Acts why he was called Paul. It means "the littlest one." Its a sign of his humility.
 
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Luke tells us in Acts why he was called Paul. It means "the littlest one." Its a sign of his humility.
So you have wrapped the entire teaching of Paul and Saul into one little package, now we know all. It means humility, so we need look no deeper! All this depth of meaning in all scripture needs to take it all to you, you can isolate it all to it's essence.
 
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So you have wrapped the entire teaching of Paul and Saul into one little package, now we know all. It means humility, so we need look no deeper! All this depth of meaning in all scripture needs to take it all to you, you can isolate it all to it's essence.
No, I'd say read what Scripture says. Luke tells us the meaning of Paul. Since he was the one inspired by the Holy Spirit, I'd say trust him.
 
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MidniteWelder

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Luke tells us in Acts why he was called Paul. It means "the littlest one." Its a sign of his humility.
That....or a bout of ironic humor,
......like Paul Bunyan:p

 

p_rehbein

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I am so unbelievably amused that people are ACTUALLY ARGUING about this...........goodness........... :)

R.O.T.F.L.O.L.

He DID NOT HAVE TWO NAMES........people............Saul was Hebrew...............WHAT IS SAUL in GREEK? Any idea? Oh, I know.............Paul!

It's JUST ONE NAME spoken in two different languages.............goodness, goodness............sigh........

Never said it was a name change as in from Jim to Bob............just that PRIOR to the 13th Chapter he was always referred to as Saul............and AFTER that point as Paul..................

And people REALLY WANT to argue this?
 

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interesting, congratulations, everybody is wrong, not even close. what is the answer? well let me demonstrate the "wisdom" of the early translators of the Bible, with a question, how many James are there in the New Testament? Well let me count them in the Greek..........0 nada, not a one, now try the English You will find James the brother of Jesus, one of the disciples plus one or two more, but they only became james in the english, in the greek, they were Jacob. that would not do, readers would be confusing jacob of the O.T. with the jacobs in the N.T., so all N.T. Jacobs became James. Same thing with Saul, remember Saul of the O.T.? It happened to Jesus too, his name was Joshua.

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p_rehbein

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interesting, congratulations, everybody is wrong, not even close. what is the answer? well let me demonstrate the "wisdom" of the early translators of the Bible, with a question, how many James are there in the New Testament? Well let me count them in the Greek..........0 nada, not a one, now try the English You will find James the brother of Jesus, one of the disciples plus one or two more, but they only became james in the english, in the greek, they were Jacob. that would not do, readers would be confusing jacob of the O.T. with the jacobs in the N.T., so all N.T. Jacobs became James. Same thing with Saul, remember Saul of the O.T.? It happened to Jesus too, his name was Joshua.

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??? this is kinda weird............if I understand you, you are saying that God is NOT SOVERIGN enough to ensure His Word is correctly translated to assure understanding and not confusion? Ok............sigh
 

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interesting, congratulations, everybody is wrong, not even close. what is the answer? well let me demonstrate the "wisdom" of the early translators of the Bible, with a question, how many James are there in the New Testament? Well let me count them in the Greek..........0 nada, not a one, now try the English You will find James the brother of Jesus, one of the disciples plus one or two more, but they only became james in the english, in the greek, they were Jacob. that would not do, readers would be confusing jacob of the O.T. with the jacobs in the N.T., so all N.T. Jacobs became James. Same thing with Saul, remember Saul of the O.T.? It happened to Jesus too, his name was Joshua.

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Gary Sechler
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??? this is kinda weird............if I understand you, you are saying that God is NOT SOVERIGN enough to ensure His Word is correctly translated to assure understanding and not confusion? Ok............sigh
Did you ever hear of Babylon? did you ever wonder why it was going to be destroyed 4 more times, 600 years after the city had already been defeated by the Meades and Persians?" Stick around my The Revelation of Jesus thread and your questions will be answered.

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Dan58

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"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new" (2 Corinthians 5:17). Occasionally God altered a persons name to illustrate their purpose, mission, or a new divine destiny. Maybe Saul was called Paul when he stopped acting like King Saul? :)

Remember that God changed Abram (high father) to Abraham (father of a multitude), and Sarai (my princess) to Sarah (mother of nations). Jacob (supplanter) was also changed to Israel (having power with God), and Simon (God has heard) to Peter (rock).





 

p_rehbein

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Did you ever hear of Babylon? did you ever wonder why it was going to be destroyed 4 more times, 600 years after the city had already been defeated by the Meades and Persians?" Stick around my The Revelation of Jesus thread and your questions will be answered.

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....uh, yeah, no thanks.............I'll pass...........