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I grew up in that era as well but my dad believed in Adam and Eve and Noah's flood. I came to atheism kicking and screaming (in a metaphorical sense). We didn't have a lot of money so it was not a materialistic culture for me, and I didn't grow up knowing anyone doing drugs. My father didn't believe in ghosts or the paranormal. He told me it was more likely they were demons. I have no desire now to return to the world of religious belief that I grew up surrounded by.
Crossnote, your dad was an atheist, but was your mother? Were your relatives all atheists? Mine were all religious. I didn't know till I was 12 years old that anyone else in the world didn't believe in God. Did you have any religious role models in your life before you came to Christianity?
Crossnote, your dad was an atheist, but was your mother? Were your relatives all atheists? Mine were all religious. I didn't know till I was 12 years old that anyone else in the world didn't believe in God. Did you have any religious role models in your life before you came to Christianity?
First of all, you are out of your mind.
Second of all, what has 9/11 got to do with spirits roaming the earth, they are not the only people that have died from a tragedy.
you say...
-HE LETS GOOD PEOPLE DIE AND SUFFER
-I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THOSE WHO WERE KILLED DESERVED DEATH
-YOU DON'T BELIEVE HELL EXISTS
Why would I try proving anything to you...........
You seem to have your mind made up and have all the answers! Why don't you tell me?
I suppose you see "ghosts" all the time to back your THEORY up!?
But... just to do the RIGHT thing I will turn to my bible and read the following as a good CHRISTIAN should do.
Luke 16:25-26
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
Leviticus 19:31
“Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 20:6
“If a person turns to mediums and necromancers, whoring after them, I will set my face against that person and will cut him off from among his people
Revelation 16:14
For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Hebrews 9:27
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
Second of all, what has 9/11 got to do with spirits roaming the earth, they are not the only people that have died from a tragedy.
you say...
-HE LETS GOOD PEOPLE DIE AND SUFFER
-I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THOSE WHO WERE KILLED DESERVED DEATH
-YOU DON'T BELIEVE HELL EXISTS
Why would I try proving anything to you...........
You seem to have your mind made up and have all the answers! Why don't you tell me?
I suppose you see "ghosts" all the time to back your THEORY up!?
But... just to do the RIGHT thing I will turn to my bible and read the following as a good CHRISTIAN should do.
Luke 16:25-26
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
Leviticus 19:31
“Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 20:6
“If a person turns to mediums and necromancers, whoring after them, I will set my face against that person and will cut him off from among his people
Revelation 16:14
For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Hebrews 9:27
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
Yes. That's one of the reasons I am here. Many Christians have false impressions of us atheists. I like to correct misunderstanding.
Simona did not know that some atheists believe in life after death. Now she knows it. I've expanded her understanding of atheists. What is wrong with that? I have quite often had my understanding of Christians expanded. That is the other reason I am here.
Simona did not know that some atheists believe in life after death. Now she knows it. I've expanded her understanding of atheists. What is wrong with that? I have quite often had my understanding of Christians expanded. That is the other reason I am here.
I given this a lot of thought for 50 some years. I think I am entitled to an opinion. I suppose your mind is not made up? You told me I was out of my mind, and that is a direct quote, so I am thinking you are not too tolerant of those who express views contrary to the ones you hold?
So, your mind is not made up and you are tolerant of the views of others? Comments?
So, your mind is not made up and you are tolerant of the views of others? Comments?
W
yes but expanding the understanding of God and the bible.. is a lot different than expanding our knowledge of atheists..
one is the Truth, the Way and leads to Life. Its a path of righteousness and salvation. Its a path of relationship with the Lord our God and leads to eternal life..
the other .. it leads to death.
one is the Truth, the Way and leads to Life. Its a path of righteousness and salvation. Its a path of relationship with the Lord our God and leads to eternal life..
the other .. it leads to death.
Atheism has become more vocal. Christians have always been vocal while atheists once kept their silence for fear of the consequences. I talk openly on-line about these issues, but not so much in public. Many atheists are still afraid to voice their views in public or to their Christian families. There are many Christian families who are unaware that their husbands, wives, sons or daughters, colleagues or friends, or even pastors, no longer believe in God. Many atheists do still keep silent. Oh, and of all the atheists I know, and that is a dozen or so, I am the only one who visits Christian forum. So, despite appearances most atheists don’t bother chatting up Christians on-line.
Atheists who were raised within Christian families grew up believing in life after death. Just because they dispense with belief in God does not mean that all the religious baggage disappears. When I became an atheist I retained two things for a period of time. One was a belief in life after death, the other was fear that I might be wrong about God. I have talked with a few atheists on-line who've expressed having this fear and who’ve told me that if ever they return to belief in God it will be this latent fear that takes them there. Note that Peter Hitchens (brother of the more infamous Christopher Hitchens) returned to his original Catholic faith after a stint of atheism, rebellion and flirtation with Marxism, precisely because of this latent fear (see his book, The Rage Against God). Yes, I read books by former atheists who’ve come back to God.
Those good ol’ times were not so good for blacks, homosexuals, or atheists.
Atheists who were raised within Christian families grew up believing in life after death. Just because they dispense with belief in God does not mean that all the religious baggage disappears. When I became an atheist I retained two things for a period of time. One was a belief in life after death, the other was fear that I might be wrong about God. I have talked with a few atheists on-line who've expressed having this fear and who’ve told me that if ever they return to belief in God it will be this latent fear that takes them there. Note that Peter Hitchens (brother of the more infamous Christopher Hitchens) returned to his original Catholic faith after a stint of atheism, rebellion and flirtation with Marxism, precisely because of this latent fear (see his book, The Rage Against God). Yes, I read books by former atheists who’ve come back to God.
Those good ol’ times were not so good for blacks, homosexuals, or atheists.
Oh? I should conceal this?
My impression is that the minority of atheists believe this. I once did, but I grew out of that superstition many years ago. It's probable that most atheists reject all paranormal belief, but I don't think anyone has ever conducted a survey, so I can only surmise, but I think this latent religious belief is more common than we might think, especially among those who were formerly Christian. I also think it possible that Dawkins and others like him are unaware that some atheists hold such views.
In my case it was a hold over from my former Christian days.
My impression is that the minority of atheists believe this. I once did, but I grew out of that superstition many years ago. It's probable that most atheists reject all paranormal belief, but I don't think anyone has ever conducted a survey, so I can only surmise, but I think this latent religious belief is more common than we might think, especially among those who were formerly Christian. I also think it possible that Dawkins and others like him are unaware that some atheists hold such views.
In my case it was a hold over from my former Christian days.
M
Referring back to the OP...
In Britain today we seem to have gone back to before Christianity and many people speak of being spiritual but not in a Christian sense. It seems to be the trendy thing to be "spiritual". Personally I think it is dangerous and orchestrated by the evil one - and of course it is prophesied.
I look at friends' posts on facebook and they use God as a convenience - when they lose a friend or relative they conveniently mention Heaven and angels when really they have no belief in these things. You'd think that their loss would be a warning to them but no they then go back to a total disregard of God.
During her lifetime Princess Diana continually sought happiness, she tried everything - healers, spiritualists, fortune tellers, tarot card readers - the list is endless and I don't remember them all. I believe Diana was christened as a baby and toyed with the idea of Catholicism as well as other more "exotic" religions...if only she had looked to Jesus and given her life to Him she would no longer have looked to a man to find happiness. Happiness can be found when you find the right spouse but it does not and cannot compensate our innermost need for the one who created us.
Just a few thoughts...
In Britain today we seem to have gone back to before Christianity and many people speak of being spiritual but not in a Christian sense. It seems to be the trendy thing to be "spiritual". Personally I think it is dangerous and orchestrated by the evil one - and of course it is prophesied.
I look at friends' posts on facebook and they use God as a convenience - when they lose a friend or relative they conveniently mention Heaven and angels when really they have no belief in these things. You'd think that their loss would be a warning to them but no they then go back to a total disregard of God.
During her lifetime Princess Diana continually sought happiness, she tried everything - healers, spiritualists, fortune tellers, tarot card readers - the list is endless and I don't remember them all. I believe Diana was christened as a baby and toyed with the idea of Catholicism as well as other more "exotic" religions...if only she had looked to Jesus and given her life to Him she would no longer have looked to a man to find happiness. Happiness can be found when you find the right spouse but it does not and cannot compensate our innermost need for the one who created us.
Just a few thoughts...
All paranormal belief satisfies a primitive religious need in my opinion. It's very hilarious to see pagan beliefs rooted in modern atheists. I think the conclusion of the thread "is there such thing as an atheist?" is, after all, a big NO.
The church's aim was and still is (I hope) to cure people of their religious imaginary and lead to the true, living God.
I used to prefer an atheist over a very religious man, because an honest atheist is more likely to find the path than a religious person who has closed God in his mental prison. But when the atheist behaves like an old stupid woman all hope is lost. That's why I said even atheism is no longer what it used to be.
The church's aim was and still is (I hope) to cure people of their religious imaginary and lead to the true, living God.
I used to prefer an atheist over a very religious man, because an honest atheist is more likely to find the path than a religious person who has closed God in his mental prison. But when the atheist behaves like an old stupid woman all hope is lost. That's why I said even atheism is no longer what it used to be.
I disagree.
There is definitely a struggle between good and evil.
Whether you're an atheist or not. You can't think that people don't deal with good/bad...atheist or Christian.
Either way someone is wrong.
If you as an atheist believe that good and evil don't exist your living in la la land and probably high on the magic mushrooms you've picked from your back yard.
There is definitely a struggle between good and evil.
Whether you're an atheist or not. You can't think that people don't deal with good/bad...atheist or Christian.
Either way someone is wrong.
If you as an atheist believe that good and evil don't exist your living in la la land and probably high on the magic mushrooms you've picked from your back yard.