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Mybrokenlessthenthree

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"We have hearts that would murder the Messiah, and to think anything different is to flatter ourselves in the same way these scribes and Pharisees did. The old Negro spiritual asks, “Were you there when they crucified my Lord?” And the answer is, “Yes, we were there.” Not as spectators, but as participants, guilty participants, plotting, scheming, betraying, bargaining, and handing Him over to be crucified.
John Stott said, “Until you see the cross as that which is done by you, you will never appreciate that it is done for you."

The great Scottish hymn writer Horatius Bonar wrote:
“Twas I that shed the sacred blood; I nailed him to the tree; I crucified the Christ of God; I joined the mockery. Of all that shouting multitude, I feel that I am one; And in that din of voices rude I recognize my own. Around the cross the throng I see, Mocking the Sufferer’s groan; Yet still my voice it seems to be, As if I mocked alone.” - DP

I was told once, pride is one of these three things.
Trusting in your own strength
Trusting in your own righteousness
Trusting in your own wisdom


For 30 chapters Job trusts in his own righteousness,
32:1-2
So these three men ceased answering Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. Then the wrath of Elihu, the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the family of Ram, was aroused against Job; his wrath was aroused because he justified himself rather than God.

33:8-9
“Surely you have spoken in my hearing, And I have heard the sound of your words, saying, ‘I am pure, without transgression; I am innocent, and there is no iniquity in me.


Then in chapter 38, God just nails him. Leading to...
Conclusion
Job 40:8-14 MSG
“Do you presume to tell me what I’m doing wrong? Are you calling me a sinner so you can be a saint? Do you have an arm like my arm? Can you shout in thunder the way I can? Go ahead, show your stuff. Let’s see what you’re made of, what you can do. Unleash your outrage. Target the arrogant and lay them flat. Target the arrogant and bring them to their knees. Stop the wicked in their tracks—make mincemeat of them! Dig a mass grave and dump them in it— faceless corpses in an unmarked grave. I’ll gladly step aside and hand things over to you— you can surely save yourself with no help from me!

We need God because we are powerless, amen!

But we already knew this, if you didn't then you should be scared.

Matthew 23, breaks my heart and puts fear into my heart.

So let me ask, how many times have you read something and thought I could do better?
How often do you do something so people will say look?

Are we content with the approval of God or do we desire the applause of men?
Do we assert our superiority over others (and in the process usurp Christ’s superiority over all)?

Read,

Does your heart delight in receiving honor over other people? Do you find some weird sort of comfort whenever you realize that you are in a better, or even higher, position than someone else? Are you prone to, even in your own mind, exalt yourself above others? Do you compare yourself with other people, even subconsciously measuring yourself against them to discern your own level of spirituality?
This is what C.S. Lewis talked about in his powerful chapter on “Pride” in Mere Christianity. He calls pride, or self-conceit, “the great sin.” Lewis said: “If you think you are not conceited, it means you are very conceited indeed … If anyone would like to acquire humility, I can, I think, tell him the first step. The first step is to realize that one is proud.”

And then listen to how he links pride with competition:

“Now what you want to get clear is that pride is essentially competitive—is competitive by its very nature…. Pride gets no pleasure out of having something, only out of having more it than the next man. We say that people are proud of being rich, or clever, or good-looking, but they are not. They are proud of being richer, or cleverer, or better-looking than others. If every one else became equally rich, or clever, or good-looking there would be nothing to be proud about. It is the comparison that makes you proud: the pleasure of being above the rest.” -DP

The fact is pride is woven into are hearts. It's something so immoral, some say it's at the base of all sin. We all put ourselves before others on some level, and I thought okay OUT WITH THE PRIDE! Like spring cleaning, so who do I know that is without pride. Holy spirit slams in my face, Jesus! And it hit me like a train! Jesus was without pride, we was perfection! Last night I was freshly humble and knew the term humility, because I have pride.

So my question, do you?


 

sacraig67

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Pride was the first sin commited.. by lucifer. And I believe pride leads to all other sins
 

sacraig67

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I take pride in all the work I have done because I know I did my best...good pride. I once took pride in knowing more than others...bad pride. Since then I have learned good pride from bad. I once killed two great Bible studies because of my bad pride. Now I know the difference so I know how to teach.
 
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"We have hearts that would murder the Messiah, and to think anything different is to flatter ourselves in the same way these scribes and Pharisees did. The old Negro spiritual asks, “Were you there when they crucified my Lord?” And the answer is, “Yes, we were there.” Not as spectators, but as participants, guilty participants, plotting, scheming, betraying, bargaining, and handing Him over to be crucified.
John Stott said, “Until you see the cross as that which is done by you, you will never appreciate that it is done for you."

The great Scottish hymn writer Horatius Bonar wrote:
“Twas I that shed the sacred blood; I nailed him to the tree; I crucified the Christ of God; I joined the mockery. Of all that shouting multitude, I feel that I am one; And in that din of voices rude I recognize my own. Around the cross the throng I see, Mocking the Sufferer’s groan; Yet still my voice it seems to be, As if I mocked alone.” - DP

I was told once, pride is one of these three things.
Trusting in your own strength
Trusting in your own righteousness
Trusting in your own wisdom


For 30 chapters Job trusts in his own righteousness,
32:1-2
So these three men ceased answering Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. Then the wrath of Elihu, the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the family of Ram, was aroused against Job; his wrath was aroused because he justified himself rather than God.

33:8-9
“Surely you have spoken in my hearing, And I have heard the sound of your words, saying, ‘I am pure, without transgression; I am innocent, and there is no iniquity in me.


Then in chapter 38, God just nails him. Leading to...
Conclusion
Job 40:8-14 MSG
“Do you presume to tell me what I’m doing wrong? Are you calling me a sinner so you can be a saint? Do you have an arm like my arm? Can you shout in thunder the way I can? Go ahead, show your stuff. Let’s see what you’re made of, what you can do. Unleash your outrage. Target the arrogant and lay them flat. Target the arrogant and bring them to their knees. Stop the wicked in their tracks—make mincemeat of them! Dig a mass grave and dump them in it— faceless corpses in an unmarked grave. I’ll gladly step aside and hand things over to you— you can surely save yourself with no help from me!

We need God because we are powerless, amen!

But we already knew this, if you didn't then you should be scared.

Matthew 23, breaks my heart and puts fear into my heart.

So let me ask, how many times have you read something and thought I could do better?
How often do you do something so people will say look?

Are we content with the approval of God or do we desire the applause of men?
Do we assert our superiority over others (and in the process usurp Christ’s superiority over all)?

Read,

Does your heart delight in receiving honor over other people? Do you find some weird sort of comfort whenever you realize that you are in a better, or even higher, position than someone else? Are you prone to, even in your own mind, exalt yourself above others? Do you compare yourself with other people, even subconsciously measuring yourself against them to discern your own level of spirituality?
This is what C.S. Lewis talked about in his powerful chapter on “Pride” in Mere Christianity. He calls pride, or self-conceit, “the great sin.” Lewis said: “If you think you are not conceited, it means you are very conceited indeed … If anyone would like to acquire humility, I can, I think, tell him the first step. The first step is to realize that one is proud.”

And then listen to how he links pride with competition:

“Now what you want to get clear is that pride is essentially competitive—is competitive by its very nature…. Pride gets no pleasure out of having something, only out of having more it than the next man. We say that people are proud of being rich, or clever, or good-looking, but they are not. They are proud of being richer, or cleverer, or better-looking than others. If every one else became equally rich, or clever, or good-looking there would be nothing to be proud about. It is the comparison that makes you proud: the pleasure of being above the rest.” -DP

The fact is pride is woven into are hearts. It's something so immoral, some say it's at the base of all sin. We all put ourselves before others on some level, and I thought okay OUT WITH THE PRIDE! Like spring cleaning, so who do I know that is without pride. Holy spirit slams in my face, Jesus! And it hit me like a train! Jesus was without pride, we was perfection! Last night I was freshly humble and knew the term humility, because I have pride.

So my question, do you?
This post is right on. It competes and envies, etc. It's a real bother to the person on the other end of it and to the person who has it. I'm glad to have it so I can get it kicked out.
 

RickyZ

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I take pride in all the work I have done because I know I did my best...good pride. I once took pride in knowing more than others...bad pride. Since then I have learned good pride from bad. I once killed two great Bible studies because of my bad pride. Now I know the difference so I know how to teach.
What he said
 
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oldthennew

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we have 'replaced' the word -pride-
with the words, 'we are 'pleased' or we take 'pleasure' in certain things.

hope this helps.
 

tribesman

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Pride is a terrible and damned sin and has subtle features ("virtues" like "I am proud to be a briton" etc) which makes it crafty. One horrific pride in spiritual matters is to think that salvation in any wise, way, shape or form is conditioned on something, however small, in ourselves.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Pride is a sin no matter how you dish it out.

Rather thinking you are better than others, or just simply giving yourself credit for what you have done good ( self edification ).

Anything that you do good, the credit should be given to God, not yourself.

He created you, and gave you the strength, ability, courage, endurance, and understanding to be able to do those things good. So if you give yourself the credit instead of God, then that is self pride.
 
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biscuit

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[h=1]What does the Bible say about pride?[/h]
Question: "What does the Bible say about pride?"

Answer:
There is a difference between the kind of pride that God hates (Proverbs 8:13) and the kind of pride we feel about a job well done. The kind of pride that stems from self-righteousness is sin, and God hates it because it is a hindrance to seeking Him. Psalm 10:4 explains that the proud are so consumed with themselves that their thoughts are far from God: “In his pride the wicked does not seek him; in all his thoughts there is no room for God.” This kind of haughty pride is the opposite of the spirit of humility that God seeks: “Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:3). The “poor in spirit” are those who recognize their utter spiritual bankruptcy and their inability to come to God aside from His divine grace. The proud, on the other hand, are so blinded by their pride that they think they have no need of God or, worse, that God should accept them as they are because they deserve His acceptance.

Throughout Scripture we are told about the consequences of pride. Proverbs 16:18-19tells us that “pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. Better to be lowly in spirit and among the oppressed than to share plunder with the proud.” Satan was cast out of heaven because of pride (Isaiah 14:12-15). He had the selfish audacity to attempt to replace God Himself as the rightful ruler of the universe. But Satan will be cast down to hell in the final judgment of God. For those who rise up in defiance against God, there is nothing ahead but disaster (Isaiah 14:22).

Pride has kept many people from accepting Jesus Christ as Savior. Admitting sin and acknowledging that in our own strength we can do nothing to inherit eternal life is a constant stumbling block for prideful people. We are not to boast about ourselves; if we want to boast, then we are to proclaim the glories of God. What we say about ourselves means nothing in God’s work. It is what God says about us that makes the difference (2 Corinthians 10:13).

Why is pride so sinful? Pride is giving ourselves the credit for something that God has accomplished. Pride is taking the glory that belongs to God alone and keeping it for ourselves. Pride is essentially self-worship. Anything we accomplish in this world would not have been possible were it not for God enabling and sustaining us. “What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?” (1 Corinthians 4:7). That is why we give God the glory—He alone deserves it.

Recommended Resources: Landmines in the Path of the Believer: Avoiding the H
 
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"We have hearts that would murder the Messiah, and to think anything different is to flatter ourselves in the same way these scribes and Pharisees did. The old Negro spiritual asks, “Were you there when they crucified my Lord?” And the answer is, “Yes, we were there.” Not as spectators, but as participants, guilty participants, plotting, scheming, betraying, bargaining, and handing Him over to be crucified.
John Stott said, “Until you see the cross as that which is done by you, you will never appreciate that it is done for you."

The great Scottish hymn writer Horatius Bonar wrote:
“Twas I that shed the sacred blood; I nailed him to the tree; I crucified the Christ of God; I joined the mockery. Of all that shouting multitude, I feel that I am one; And in that din of voices rude I recognize my own. Around the cross the throng I see, Mocking the Sufferer’s groan; Yet still my voice it seems to be, As if I mocked alone.” - DP

I was told once, pride is one of these three things.
Trusting in your own strength
Trusting in your own righteousness
Trusting in your own wisdom


For 30 chapters Job trusts in his own righteousness,
32:1-2
So these three men ceased answering Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. Then the wrath of Elihu, the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the family of Ram, was aroused against Job; his wrath was aroused because he justified himself rather than God.

33:8-9
“Surely you have spoken in my hearing, And I have heard the sound of your words, saying, ‘I am pure, without transgression; I am innocent, and there is no iniquity in me.


Then in chapter 38, God just nails him. Leading to...
Conclusion
Job 40:8-14 MSG
“Do you presume to tell me what I’m doing wrong? Are you calling me a sinner so you can be a saint? Do you have an arm like my arm? Can you shout in thunder the way I can? Go ahead, show your stuff. Let’s see what you’re made of, what you can do. Unleash your outrage. Target the arrogant and lay them flat. Target the arrogant and bring them to their knees. Stop the wicked in their tracks—make mincemeat of them! Dig a mass grave and dump them in it— faceless corpses in an unmarked grave. I’ll gladly step aside and hand things over to you— you can surely save yourself with no help from me!

We need God because we are powerless, amen!

But we already knew this, if you didn't then you should be scared.

Matthew 23, breaks my heart and puts fear into my heart.

So let me ask, how many times have you read something and thought I could do better?
How often do you do something so people will say look?

Are we content with the approval of God or do we desire the applause of men?
Do we assert our superiority over others (and in the process usurp Christ’s superiority over all)?

Read,

Does your heart delight in receiving honor over other people? Do you find some weird sort of comfort whenever you realize that you are in a better, or even higher, position than someone else? Are you prone to, even in your own mind, exalt yourself above others? Do you compare yourself with other people, even subconsciously measuring yourself against them to discern your own level of spirituality?
This is what C.S. Lewis talked about in his powerful chapter on “Pride” in Mere Christianity. He calls pride, or self-conceit, “the great sin.” Lewis said: “If you think you are not conceited, it means you are very conceited indeed … If anyone would like to acquire humility, I can, I think, tell him the first step. The first step is to realize that one is proud.”

And then listen to how he links pride with competition:

“Now what you want to get clear is that pride is essentially competitive—is competitive by its very nature…. Pride gets no pleasure out of having something, only out of having more it than the next man. We say that people are proud of being rich, or clever, or good-looking, but they are not. They are proud of being richer, or cleverer, or better-looking than others. If every one else became equally rich, or clever, or good-looking there would be nothing to be proud about. It is the comparison that makes you proud: the pleasure of being above the rest.” -DP

The fact is pride is woven into are hearts. It's something so immoral, some say it's at the base of all sin. We all put ourselves before others on some level, and I thought okay OUT WITH THE PRIDE! Like spring cleaning, so who do I know that is without pride. Holy spirit slams in my face, Jesus! And it hit me like a train! Jesus was without pride, we was perfection! Last night I was freshly humble and knew the term humility, because I have pride.

So my question, do you?
Great Post!!
 
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Pride keep us from forgiving others and keep chaos alive.


The Hatfield–McCoy feud (1863–1891) involved two families of the West VirginiaKentucky area along the Tug Fork of the Big Sandy River. The Hatfields of West Virginia were led by William Anderson "Devil Anse" Hatfield while the McCoys of Kentucky were under the leadership of Randolph "Ole Ran'l" McCoy. Those involved in the feud were descended from Ephraim Hatfield (born c. 1765) and William McCoy (born c. 1750). The feud has entered the American folklore lexicon as a metonym for any bitterly feuding rival parties. More than a century later, the feud has become synonymous with the perils of family honor, justice, and revenge. Hatfield–McCoy feud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

crossnote

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Even those who believe they are sustained by 'their faithfulness' have already one foot in.
 

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This ole boy was voted the most humble guy in the plant where he worked. They awarded him with a badge reading 'The Most Humble Guy in the Plant'.
After about an hour they had to take away from him.

Now about those religious titles that men love to own like a badge that Jesus condemned in Matt. 23..........ah...never mind. I'm getting people mad at me! Again!
 

crossnote

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This ole boy was voted the most humble guy in the plant where he worked. They awarded him with a badge reading 'The Most Humble Guy in the Plant'.
After about an hour they had to take away from him.

Now about those religious titles that men love to own like a badge that Jesus condemned in Matt. 23..........ah...never mind. I'm getting people mad at me! Again!
nope, we are not getting mad. We already know you are not the most humblest guy on the planet. :)
 

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Cross, I love you to death my kind friend. God bless your little ole pea pickin' heart. Smile.
 

sacraig67

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So according to what I have seen all pride is evil and sinful? No! It's when we boast upon it or look down on someone because of it. I can totally be proud of something I have done or accomplished. I was proud of the work I did in hvac because the customer got a quality job for their money. I never bragged about it I only bring it up here to make a point. I don't want ribbons or banners just the satisfaction within myself that I did my best. Read Galatians 6:1-5 even Paul hints toward a good type of pride.
 

sacraig67

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Oh and by the way no I could not have done it without the skills God gave me
 

crossnote

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"Suppose a man among you has a servant plowing or watching sheep. Would he say to him when he comes in from the field, 'Come at once and have something to eat'? Of course not. Instead, he would say to him, 'Get dinner ready for me, and put on your apron and wait on me until I eat and drink. Then you can eat and drink.' He doesn't praise the servant for doing what was commanded, does he? That's the way it is with you. When you have done everything you were ordered to do, say, 'We are worthless servants. We have done only what we ought to have done.'"
(Luk 17:7-10)
 

skipp

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I think pride is one of the biggest stumbling blocks for Christians and that we would be much better witnesses in the world if we weren't always falling into this sin. We know that we are sinners and that even our best deeds are like filthy rags, and yet we still puff ourselves up and go around with a smug, self satisfied attitude.
 

sacraig67

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Of course we are not going to come before God and say look see what I did. But humbly before him he will say to us "well done my good and faithful servant".