Lazarus and Abraham

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What are your thoughts on this?

Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
 
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Luke 24:27
Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.

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KJV1611 said:
What are your thoughts on this?

Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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HA, light bulb :) So basically that is speaking of Christ, saying although he resurrected they still wouldn't believe. lol at least that is how I am understanding it.

I was wondering about these verses actually.
 
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KJV1611 said:
What are your thoughts on this?

Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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this passage is from the parable of lazarus and the rich man...jesus chose to use the name 'lazarus' in that parable for a reason...

because not too long afterwards someone named lazarus -did- rise from the dead...and the unbelievers were not persuaded...
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
this passage is from the parable of lazarus and the rich man...jesus chose to use the name 'lazarus' in that parable for a reason...

because not too long afterwards someone named lazarus -did- rise from the dead...and the unbelievers were not persuaded...
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Hi Rachel. Do you agree that the one to rise from the dead was talking about Jesus?
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
this passage is from the parable of lazarus and the rich man...jesus chose to use the name 'lazarus' in that parable for a reason...

because not too long afterwards someone named lazarus -did- rise from the dead...and the unbelievers were not persuaded...
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or that haha.
 
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If member of your family, your mom or dad rise from the dead and tell you all kind of story about hell, than you may believe.
 
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Jackson123 said:
If member of your family, your mom or dad rise from the dead and tell you all kind of story about hell, than you may believe.
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Even the demons know of hell, and of heaven, and of God.

Knowledge does not bring salvation.
That's one of the points that Christ is making.
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
this passage is from the parable of lazarus and the rich man...jesus chose to use the name 'lazarus' in that parable for a reason...

because not too long afterwards someone named lazarus -did- rise from the dead...and the unbelievers were not persuaded...
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because not too.....is the wrong answer.
John 11:4..., he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
So the name Lazarus in the parable isn't used for a prophecy anymore than Abrahams' name was used. Lets stick to what scripture says and not mans interpretation.
 
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KJV1611 said:
What are your thoughts on this?

Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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God's Word (Moses) is of more value than miracles (one rising from the dead) when it comes to sharing with an unbeliever.
 
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directline2iam said:
because not too.....is the wrong answer.
John 11:4..., he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
So the name Lazarus in the parable isn't used for a prophecy anymore than Abrahams' name was used. Lets stick to what scripture says and not mans interpretation.
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i didn't say it was a prophecy...i just suggested that jesus used the name 'lazarus' in his parable because his final point would be that much more obvious when the real lazarus came back to life...

in his parable jesus has abraham saying that the rich man's relatives wouldn't believe even if lazarus rose from the dead...and shortly after this parable was told someone -did- rise from the dead...the unbelievers didn't believe...and this man was even named lazarus!
 
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crossnote said:
God's Word (Moses) is of more value than miracles (one rising from the dead) when it comes to sharing with an unbeliever.
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Question, How is one of more value if it has no effect just as the second would not?
 
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LEPIDUS said:
Question, How is one of more value if it has no effect just as the second would not?
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Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

God's Word is of more value because true faith is based on hearing God's Word rather than seeing miracles.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
(Rom 10:17)

Miracles usually produces fair weather friends.
 
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crossnote said:
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

God's Word is of more value because true faith is based on hearing God's Word rather than seeing miracles.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
(Rom 10:17)

Miracles usually produces fair weather friends.
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OK, I see what you mean. Although, in context it is not indicating one is of more value because both would have the same effect.
 
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Rom 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

1 Cor 1:18
For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

the word translated "Gospel" in Rom 1 is the Greek word "euaggelion".
it has another word, "euangelizō" associated with is, which probably looks more similar,
as it's where we get the word "evangelize".

one translator puts it this way.
euaggelion, the Good News, includes the entire Bible, including the Law and the Prophets.

if after death Lazarus was 'carrried away by the angels to Abraham's Bosom', and the rich man to Hades,
Lazarus saw the Promised Messiah in the Law and the Prophets and believed,
but the rich man did not.
to Lazarus, the Gospel as proclaimed in the OT was the power of God to salvation.
not seeing many miracles, but the Word of God, because it speaks of Jesus.

which is why I quoted Luke 24:27.
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
i didn't say it was a prophecy...i just suggested that jesus used the name 'lazarus' in his parable because his final point would be that much more obvious when the real lazarus came back to life...

in his parable jesus has abraham saying that the rich man's relatives wouldn't believe even if lazarus rose from the dead...and shortly after this parable was told someone -did- rise from the dead...the unbelievers didn't believe...and this man was even named lazarus!
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To whom would have His point been that much more obvious to as He was speaking in a parable to the Jews who didn't believe in the first place? If they didn't see the point in the parable, how could they see the point in real life? Do you believe they did? Do you think some of the eyes of the people who heard the parable and then seen it in life--realized it.
You know, made it real in their hearts? Or didn't they even remember His parable or just continued in unbelief?

In the first place Lasarus wasn't a begger
 
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Lets break it down and have a show of hands. I meant who gives a flute about Lazarus? how does that affect you and me? I meant really. It's about our faith in the work of the cross is it not. Yeah He raised him from the dead. but what hill bean does that for you? The only thing that does anything is Jesus on the cross. Not your bible study or womens meeting or men's meeting or whatever meeting. It is the cross and Him crucified and nothing else.
 
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Kerry said:
Lets break it down and have a show of hands. I meant who gives a flute about Lazarus? how does that affect you and me? I meant really. It's about our faith in the work of the cross is it not. Yeah He raised him from the dead. but what hill bean does that for you? The only thing that does anything is Jesus on the cross. Not your bible study or womens meeting or men's meeting or whatever meeting. It is the cross and Him crucified and nothing else.
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There is plenty else, join in and be a part of the plenty, we love you too.
 
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KJV1611 said:
What are your thoughts on this?

Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
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The whole story in what happened here, would be very enlightening, How the rich man ignore God's calling hi to take care of lazarus. And he didn't. So went to hell for not listening to God
 
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homwardbound said:
The whole story in what happened here, would be very enlightening, How the rich man ignore God's calling hi to take care of lazarus. And he didn't. So went to hell for not listening to God
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You've got a blessed sense of humor.:rolleyes:
 
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