WASHING FEET

[VCO]

All of your posts really, really make the top of the roof of my mouth itch....you are not after sharing wisdom, you after proving to everyone how spiritual and learned you appear to be and you are here to start fights....

Not at all, I am too old to even be interested in starting fights. My only purpose is to share the Truth. I am sorry that the thought of meeting real needs, instead of ceremonially washing already clean feet, makes the roof of your mouth itch.

 

[JesusIsAll]

to show them the master is not greater than they are

But, with all due respect, I don't see our Lord Jesus teaching us that God is not greater than we are. The Lord Jesus was teaching, but He, and only He, is the LORD. I look at myself, the creature, and, for reasons I could go on for pages about, see myself way, way below the Creator in terms of any greatness, feel no greatness at all, but for that God gave me of Himself in my soul. I know I don't have a scintilla of a perception of greatness in me, up against the Creator of the universe, and I wouldn't worship an equal, after looking the mirror, as it were.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

Would you please post the Verse that states what you said in your first sentence.

John 13:8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.

 

[VCO]

All of your posts really, really make the top of the roof of my mouth itch....you are not after sharing wisdom, you after proving to everyone how spiritual and learned you appear to be and you are here to start fights....

Perhaps it is the conviction that he feels, when a Pastor teaches the WORD, that he really kicking against.

 

[VCO]

John 13:8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.

Revelation 7:14 (NASB)
14 I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Hebrews 9:22 (NIV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

1 John 1:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and
the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Christ washed his disciples' feet, that he might signify to them the value of spiritual washing, and the cleansing of the soul from the pollutions of sin. Our Lord Jesus does many things of which even his own disciples do not for the present know the meaning, but they shall know afterward. We see in the end what was the kindness from events which seemed most cross. And it is not humility, but unbelief, to put away the offers of the gospel, as if too rich to be made to us, or too good news to be true. All those, and those only, who are spiritually washed by Christ, have a part in Christ. All whom Christ owns and saves, he justifies and sanctifies. Peter more than submits; he begs to be washed by Christ. How earnest he is for the purifying grace of the Lord Jesus, and the full effect of it, even upon his hands and head! Those who truly desire to be sanctified, desire to be sanctified throughout, to have the whole man, with all its parts and powers, made pure. The true believer is thus washed when he receives Christ for his salvation. See then what ought to be the daily care of those who through grace are in a justified state, and that is, to wash their feet; to cleanse themselves from daily guilt, and to watch against everything defiling. This should make us the more cautious. From yesterday's pardon, we should be strengthened against this day's temptation. And when hypocrites are discovered, it should be no surprise or cause of stumbling to us. Observe the lesson Christ here taught. Duties are mutual; we must both accept help from our brethren, and afford help to our brethren.
Matthew Henry Concise Bible Commentary.

13:8 Peter illustrates the extremes of human nature. He vowed that the Lord would never wash his feet—and here "never" literally means "not for eternity." The Lord answered Peter that apart from His washing, there could be no fellowship with Him. The meaning of foot-washing is now unfolded. As Christians walk through this world, they contract a certain amount of defilement. Listening to vile talk, looking at unholy things, working with ungodly men inevitably soil the believer. He needs to be constantly cleansed.This cleansing takes place by the water of the Word. As we read and study the Bible, as we hear it preached, and as we discuss it with one another, we find that it cleanses us from the evil influences about us. On the other hand, the more we neglect the Bible, the more these wicked influences can remain in our minds and lives without causing us any great concern. When Jesus said "you have no part with Me," He did not mean that Peter could not be saved unless He washed him, but rather that fellowship with the Lord can be maintained only by the continual cleansing action of the Scriptures in his life.

Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding.

[h=4]John 13:8[/h]If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me—Thou canst not be my disciple unless I wash thee. It is certain Christ did not mean to exclude him from the apostolic office, if he should persist, through the deepest reverence for his Master, to refuse to let him wash his feet: this act of his was emblematical of something spiritual; of something that concerned the salvation of Peter; and without which washing he could neither be an apostle or be finally saved; therefore our Lord said, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. There is a mystical washing by the blood of Christ, 1 John 1:7; and by his Spirit, 1 Corinthians 6:11; Titus 3:5, 6. It was the common custom of our Lord to pass from sensible and temporal things to those which were spiritual and eternal; and to take occasion from every thing that presented itself, to instruct his disciples, and to raise their souls to God.

Adam Clarke's Commentary.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

I don't know what point you're trying to make here. It certainly doesn't dismiss the import of the prior scripture that I referred to as to why Jesus washed the disciples feet.

Revelation 7:14 (NASB)
14 I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Hebrews 9:22 (NIV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

1 John 1:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and
the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

 

[VCO]

I don't know what point you're trying to make here. It certainly doesn't dismiss the import of the prior scripture that I referred to as to why Jesus washed the disciples feet.

Sorry, I thought it was obvious. Jesus used many common physical things (and washing dirty feet that had walked down dirty roads, was a very common daily part of life back then); and HE used them as object lessons to teach DEEP spiritual lessons. The lesson was that the dirt represented sin, and if we do not receive the washing away of our sins, which is by HIS BLOOD, we have no part of HIM. We receive that cleansing via His Blood, when we first repent and receive Jesus Christ as LORD, which means Master; and the daily maintenance of that cleansing (washing only the feet) is our willingness to confess each new sin we discover (1 John 1:9). The other part of the object lesson was to be willing to take the role of a lowly servant to meet the REAL NEEDS of a Christian Brother, or even a non-Christian, because there-by we earn the right to talk to them about JESUS.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

As I said nothing in your other post discounts what I observed prior.

Sorry, I thought it was obvious. Jesus used many common physical things (and washing dirty feet that had walked down dirty roads, was a very common daily part of life back then); and HE used them as object lessons to teach DEEP spiritual lessons. The lesson was that the dirt represented sin, and if we do not receive the washing away of our sins, which is by HIS BLOOD, we have no part of HIM. We receive that cleansing via His Blood, when we first repent and receive Jesus Christ as LORD, which means Master; and the daily maintenance of that cleansing (washing only the feet) is our willingness to confess each new sin we discover (1 John 1:9). The other part of the object lesson was to be willing to take the role of a lowly servant to meet the REAL NEEDS of a Christian Brother, or even a non-Christian, because there-by we earn the right to talk to them about JESUS.

 

[RedTent]

There are always many layers of meaning and ways of understanding scripture, many have pointed to some of the depths that our instructions to wash one another's feet point to.

I think there is one other way of understanding that I think is basic to all New Testament scripture, and that is to go back to what the roots of the teaching as the Old Testament explains it. I know most think that is not a truth, and it makes hackles raise. In the same way, when someone says only Christ thought of it and it is only through new Testament we can learn, I feel my hackles raise. Christ explained, expanded, made complete the principles of His Father, learning the beginnings can only help understand Christ.

By going back to the Old Testament references we find the beginnings of this. I will copy and paste them.

The Old Testament references (Genesis 18:4; 19:2; 24:32; 43:24; Judges 19:21; 1 Samuel 25:41; 2 Samuel 11:8; Song of Solomon 5:3; Psalms 58:10)

In all these references you find that the people God used to explain His principles through always offered clean water for foot washing whenever they had a visitor. When we study them, it helps us understand what Christ wants us to know about washing of feet.

 

[Yet]

Hello Highway. The high way to go is to be servants one unto another, not lords. I have submitted sound scripture to back my thesis. I could repeat it for the hundredth time but I'll wait awhile.
We are to submit ourselves unto one another, so much as the Spirit dwells in us each. Elders which comprise overseers, teachers, shepherds, and table waiters are to lead by example and persuade with the word, those that are new to the faith.


They are not to control, lord over as dictators, or take filthy lucre for feeding the flock. 1Peter 5.
Why do you think the following is of God? A man gets saved, feels blessed, feels the anointing in his life, feels like teaching, quits his job when Paul said stay in the vocation you were in when you got saved, gets a card made up saying 'Pastor' Awesome, rents a building and then tells everyone God called him to be above them and lead them and that they better give him 10 percent of their gross or they are going to get God mad at them? How dumb can Christians be? I know...I was a big dummy for years. No scripture to back this train wreck up.

However, if we'd dare meet together as the first century ecclesia met together, (what a novel experience that would be), with Jesus in control and the folks allowed to use their spiritual functions as they did in 1Cor.12 and 14 and in Romans 12, with the elders, more mature, watching over with care but not stifling the Spirit in others, then give me the address of such a gathering....I'll come with bells on. I'll show up early and I'll stay late and Highway, I'll submit unto the Spirit of God as he manifests Himself in each believer with their gift in unhindered operation as they worked it in the NT. Highway, if the Spirit is moving in you with your function manifesting, I'll be glad to submit myself unto you as God works through you. But actually, I'd be submitting unto Jesus who is speaking through you at that moment. How sweet would that be....to do things His way.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I agree with many this is an act of service indeed.

Just kind of a curiosity of mine which I have no real answer on; but I always wondered if this event is connected at all to baptism given Jesus' response to Peter.

 

[VCO]

There are always many layers of meaning and ways of understanding scripture, many have pointed to some of the depths that our instructions to wash one another's feet point to.

I think there is one other way of understanding that I think is basic to all New Testament scripture, and that is to go back to what the roots of the teaching as the Old Testament explains it. I know most think that is not a truth, and it makes hackles raise. In the same way, when someone says only Christ thought of it and it is only through new Testament we can learn, I feel my hackles raise. Christ explained, expanded, made complete the principles of His Father, learning the beginnings can only help understand Christ.

By going back to the Old Testament references we find the beginnings of this. I will copy and paste them.

The Old Testament references (Genesis 18:4; 19:2; 24:32; 43:24; Judges 19:21; 1 Samuel 25:41; 2 Samuel 11:8; Song of Solomon 5:3; Psalms 58:10)

In all these references you find that the people God used to explain His principles through always offered clean water for foot washing whenever they had a visitor. When we study them, it helps us understand what Christ wants us to know about washing of feet.

AMEN! I am certainly one who sees the value of studying the OT with the NT.

1 Samuel 25:41 (HCSB)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] She stood up, then bowed her face to the ground and said, “Here I am, your servant, to wash the feet of my lord’s servants.”


Do you happen to know where that Church you use as an Avatar, is located? The reason I ask, is several years ago, I put together a booklet for the family, of my Dad's WWII war stories. When I started searching for photos online to match my Dad's stories, I remember seeing a photo of G.I.'s running for cover in a Church that looked identical to that one.

 

[p_rehbein]

Funny, isn't it.............not "haha" funny.......sad funny.........people are so blinded by their ideologies...........

They all agree Jesus commanded/taught the Church to celebrate Communion.............they all agree Jesus commanded/taught the Church to water baptize.........yet MOST of them COMPLETELY IGNORE what Jesus commanded/taught about foot washing....sad, truly sad.........I dunno, I suppose folks have to just want to ignore what Jesus said.......

 

[p_rehbein]

John
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1 .) Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
2 .) And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
3 .) Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
4 .) He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
5 .) After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
6 .) Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
7 .) Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
8 .) Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
9 .) Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
10 .) Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
11 .) For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
12 .) So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
13 .) Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
14 .) If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15 .) For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
16 .) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
17 .) If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

 

[jkalyna]

Funny, isn't it.............not "haha" funny.......sad funny.........people are so blinded by their ideologies...........

They all agree Jesus commanded/taught the Church to celebrate Communion.............they all agree Jesus commanded/taught the Church to water baptize.........yet MOST of them COMPLETELY IGNORE what Jesus commanded/taught about foot washing....sad, truly sad.........I dunno, I suppose folks have to just want to ignore what Jesus said.......

Good evening, to you, Prehbein; and missed the good morning, now your up all hours of the nite, that's okay, what am I doing here? So have a good nite. and don't forget the sweet dreams.

 

[sassylady]

I heard once that in His time a servant came in and washed the feet. Jesus took that servant's place to show how we are to serve others. It wasn't about the actual washing.

 

[VCO]

I heard once that in His time a servant came in and washed the feet. Jesus took that servant's place to show how we are to serve others. It wasn't about the actual washing.

Washing the feet was NOT a ritual or ceremony, but rather a daily mundane task every time someone came in the front door. It was usually assigned as one of the duties of the lowliest servant in the household. YES it was an object lesson for us to be willing to take that lowly role, to meet the needs of another. PLUS it was picture prophecy of how HIS BLOOD would wash away our sins (the dirt on the feet).

 

[VCO]

Funny, isn't it.............not "haha" funny.......sad funny.........people are so blinded by their ideologies...........

They all agree Jesus commanded/taught the Church to celebrate Communion.............they all agree Jesus commanded/taught the Church to water baptize.........yet MOST of them COMPLETELY IGNORE what Jesus commanded/taught about foot washing....sad, truly sad.........I dunno, I suppose folks have to just want to ignore what Jesus said.......

You are Saved by GRACE through Faith, period.

You seem to be implying that you believe that it is Saved by GRACE Through Faith, PLUS foot washing.

[video=youtube;h9oW91Iv8D8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9oW91Iv8D8[/video]

 

[p_rehbein]

QUOTE:

You are Saved by GRACE through Faith, period.

You seem to be implying that you believe that it is Saved by GRACE Through Faith, PLUS foot washing.

END QUOTATION.......

Never implied any such thing.............just as we aren't SAVED by celebrating Communion, nor are we SAVED by celebrating water baptism, we are not SAVED by celebrating foot washing.........however, we do these because Jesus said to........

Maybe you should study up on the differences between salvation and sanctification?

 

[p_rehbein]

QUOTE:

Washing the feet was NOT a ritual or ceremony, but rather a daily mundane task every time someone came in the front door. It was usually assigned as one of the duties of the lowliest servant in the household. YES it was an object lesson for us to be willing to take that lowly role, to meet the needs of another. PLUS it was picture prophecy of how HIS BLOOD would wash away our sins (the dirt on the feet).

END QUOTATION..............

In everyday life back then, this was true, and that is why it was such a powerful message/lesson Jesus taught the Disciples....Christian humility......

As for the part in red, you just made that up........