WASHING FEET

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VCO

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Did Jesus wash the feet of the Disciples to Start a Ritual that taught Humility,

OR

Have many of us OVERLOOKED the Obvious?


THEIR FEET REALLY WERE FILTHY after walking down dusty roads in sandals all day!


 

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Their feet were dirty and was an object lesson in humility.
Jesus never commanded it although the Brethren Church and perhaps some others practice it.
 
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it was an act of service and humility. They needed their feet washed because they were dirty- so Jesus shows us what service really is. It's doing whatever is needed without any concern for our pride. (the lowest on earth the greatest in heaven)
 

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It was a service and act of humility. To show us no matter where we stand in the church whether it be pastor worship service leader or lay person we are all equal and needed within the church. No matter our position we are to be humble.
 

VCO

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Those who think it was to Start a Ritual Ceremony, need to remember the Jewish traditional table was very low to the ground, like a traditional Japanese table, and they reclined cushions, not the European straight back chairs pictured by most Renaissance Artists. So, they reclined on cushions (the original bean bags), leaning on one elbow; and that would have put the person next to you with his feet very near your face. NOW I THINK YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND, you wouldn't want these, near your face:



I agree, He took the traditional role of a Servant.
 
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The modern 'pastor' has a title...'pastor', and 'lords it over the rest'. Scripture renounces this in Matt. 23 and chapter 20 and because God knows, for one thing, that this produces arrogance, not humility and then folks say 'pastors', though exalted with a title contrary to the word of God, should stay humble. But the truth is they can't. That's why God said don't do these 2 things.
Think on this please.
 
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Their feet were dirty and was an object lesson in humility.
Jesus never commanded it although the Brethren Church and perhaps some others practice it.
On the contrary my friend, Jesus did command it:

John 13:14"If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet.15"For I gave you an example that you also should do as I did to you.…

So get over here and wash my feet that I may wash yours:)
 

VCO

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The modern 'pastor' has a title...'pastor', and 'lords it over the rest'. Scripture renounces this in Matt. 23 and chapter 20 and because God knows, for one thing, that this produces arrogance, not humility and then folks say 'pastors', though exalted with a title contrary to the word of God, should stay humble. But the truth is they can't. That's why God said don't do these 2 things.
Think on this please.
Please READ:

Ephesians 4:11-13 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
[SUP]13 [/SUP] until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.


1 Peter 5:2-4 (NKJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Shepherd {pastor} the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away.

1 Timothy 3:1-6 (ASV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Faithful is the saying, If a man seeketh the office of a bishop{Pastor}, he desireth a good work.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] The bishop therefore must be without reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, orderly, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] no brawler, no striker; but gentle, not contentious, no lover of money;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] one that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] (but if a man knoweth not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] not a novice, lest being puffed up he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

Sounds to me, like if you Follow the BIBLICAL outline for Choosing a new Pastor, you can avoid a LOT OF HASSLES.
 

VCO

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On the contrary my friend, Jesus did command it:

John 13:14"If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet.15"For I gave you an example that you also should do as I did to you.…

So get over here and wash my feet that I may wash yours:)

Yes it says "you also ought to wash one another's feet", which means MEET ONE ANOTHER'S REAL NEEDS:


1 John 3:17 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But whoever has this world's goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?
 
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"13 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
4 He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
5 After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
6 Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
7 Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them." John 13:1-17

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." Matthew 7:12

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And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men." Colossians 3:23

"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God" 1 Corinthians 10:31

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If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen." 1 Peter 4:11
 

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Vco, please listen to The Great Ecclesiastcal Conspiracy just for starters, then get back to me. God bless my friend.
 
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JesusIsAll

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Their feet were dirty and was an object lesson in humility. Jesus never commanded it although the Brethren Church and perhaps some others practice it.
It was a time where feet got dirty, on dirt roads and the like, for the sandals they wore. People regularly washed their feet, perhaps servants their masters', or women their husbands'? In any event, foot washing was part of life then, no jumping into a shower. Daily bathing the whole body is a modern luxury of not having to haul/heat the water. Our Lord Jesus washing feet was all about humility and service, which fit the sanitation situation of the time, not to establish foot washing as if a ceremonial law ritual for the 21st century.
 

KohenMatt

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Our church does it from time to time. It often is a progressive thing where you wash someone's feet, and then they wash someone else's, etc. etc.

A great lesson in humility and service.
 

VCO

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On the contrary my friend, Jesus did command it:

John 13:
14"If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet.
15
"For I gave you an example that you also should do as I did to you.…

So get over here and wash my feet that I may wash yours:)
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You missed the entire point of the lesson, Jesus was teaching.

When a Friend breaks a leg and you VOLUNTEER to mow his lawn, rake his leaves, clean his gutters, and anything else he NEEDS done until he is back on his feet; THEN YOU ARE WASHING HIS FEET, as JESUS WOULD.

When you notice a neighbor who is very elderly and cannot hardly get around, and hasn't been able get down to clean his toilet in many months; AND you VOLUNTEER to go over, get down on your knees and clean his filthy, smelly, urine stained toilet; THEN YOU ARE WASHING HIS FEET, as JESUS WOULD.

THE FOLLOWING EXAMPLES WERE ALL REALLY WASHING FEET:


Matthew 25:31-40 (ESV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.
[SUP]34 [/SUP] Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
[SUP]35 [/SUP] For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,
[SUP]36 [/SUP] I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’
[SUP]37 [/SUP] Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
[SUP]38 [/SUP] And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
[SUP]39 [/SUP] And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’
[SUP]40 [/SUP] And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

When wash the feet of those in Church, whose feet are already CLEAN; you are ONLY PLAY ACTING A RITUAL.
 
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The modern 'pastor' has a title...'pastor', and 'lords it over the rest'. Scripture renounces this in Matt. 23 and chapter 20 and because God knows, for one thing, that this produces arrogance, not humility and then folks say 'pastors', though exalted with a title contrary to the word of God, should stay humble. But the truth is they can't. That's why God said don't do these 2 things.
Think on this please.
Is there any human spiritual authority you will ever submit to? Funny you always rant that Pasotr is not in the Bible, but also violate the Bible yourself, because you refuse to be under any human spiritual authority.

Where I come form we call this unteachable...
 
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You missed the entire point of the lesson, Jesus was teaching.

When a Friend breaks a leg and you VOLUNTEER to mow his lawn, rake his leaves, clean his gutters, and anything else he NEEDS done until he is back on his feet; THEN YOU ARE WASHING HIS FEET, as JESUS WOULD.

When you notice a neighbor who is very elderly and cannot hardly get around, and hasn't been able get down to clean his toilet in many months; AND you VOLUNTEER to go over, get down on your knees and clean his filthy, smelly, urine stained toilet; THEN YOU ARE WASHING HIS FEET, as JESUS WOULD.

THE FOLLOWING EXAMPLES WERE ALL REALLY WASHING FEET:


Matthew 25:31-40 (ESV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.
[SUP]34 [/SUP] Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
[SUP]35 [/SUP] For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,
[SUP]36 [/SUP] I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’
[SUP]37 [/SUP] Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?
[SUP]38 [/SUP] And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?
[SUP]39 [/SUP] And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’
[SUP]40 [/SUP] And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

When wash the feet of those in Church, whose feet are already CLEAN; you are ONLY PLAY ACTING A RITUAL.
All of your posts really, really make the top of the roof of my mouth itch....you are not after sharing wisdom, you after proving to everyone how spiritual and learned you appear to be and you are here to start fights....
 
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Jesus washed the disciples feet to make them part of him and his ministry. They were to later be told to go forth and deliver his good news. Their feet were the transport that would afford them that mission. Jesus in a sense baptized their feet, the feet of his chosen Disciples whom he entrusted to deliver his message to the world, to his service and as an act of humility to show them the master is not greater than they are, nor are they greater than he. (John 13:16)

Did Jesus wash the feet of the Disciples to Start a Ritual that taught Humility,

OR

Have many of us OVERLOOKED the Obvious?


THEIR FEET REALLY WERE FILTHY after walking down dusty roads in sandals all day!


 
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Jesus in a sense baptized their feet (John 13:16)
Interesting point. It's something I've thought of a bit differently, not to at all discount the depth you also see. Peter balked at Jesus washing his feet, but Jesus told Peter he must accept this, to have anything to do with Him. I always took that to mean we all have sin, need humility, Jesus pointing out that, as to His believers, they just needed a little washing, not the whole body, that is, remaining sin in our bodies of corruption washed away, that we will never be sinless this side of the resurrection, that we need Jesus and His blood. This is a thought that goes to an attitude of humility before our holy God, to me, none of us "high and mighty" for being saved by what is the Lord's work. So, for what it's worth, there's another baptism view, the continual washing away of that dirt part of us that we, though being saved, still have, which we need the blood of Jesus for.

John 13:8-10 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
 
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And maybe we need to daily "wash our walk," be obedient and mindful of righteousness?
 

VCO

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Jesus washed the disciples feet to make them part of him and his ministry. They were to later be told to go forth and deliver his good news. Their feet were the transport that would afford them that mission. Jesus in a sense baptized their feet, the feet of his chosen Disciples whom he entrusted to deliver his message to the world, to his service and as an act of humility to show them the master is not greater than they are, nor are they greater than he. (John 13:16)

Would you please post the Verse that states what you said in your first sentence.

I think you are misunderstanding the spiritual lesson, just like Peter did:

John 13:6-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He came to Simon Peter, who asked Him, “Lord, are You going to wash my feet?”
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Jesus answered him, “What I’m doing you don’t understand now, but afterward you will know.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP] “You will never wash my feet—ever!” Peter said. Jesus replied, “If I don’t wash you, you have no part with Me.”
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Simon Peter said to Him, “Lord, not only my feet, but also my hands and my head.”
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “One who has bathed,” Jesus told him, “doesn’t need to wash anything except his feet, but he is completely clean. You are clean, but not all of you.” {The did not wear socks, only sandals, and their roads and pathways were ALWAYS just dirt.}
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For He knew who would betray Him. This is why He said, “You are not all clean.”
sensing Jesus' reversing of their natural roles, asked why He, Peter's Lord, should wash the feet of His servant Peter. In Peter's question the word You is emphatic in the Greek. Jesus said that later (after His death and resurrection) Peter would understand.
No... You shall never wash my feet, Peter replied. Apparently he did not feel that Jesus should act like a servant toward Peter. This is another case of Peter's thoughtless speech (cf. Mark 8:32; 9:5). Jesus responded, Unless I wash you, you have no part with Me. This does not mean, "Unless you are baptized you cannot be saved," but, "Unless I wash your sins away by My atoning death (cf. Rev. 1:5) you have no real relationship to Me" (cf. 1 John 1:7).
13:9-10. Peter continued to miss the spiritual lesson, but he was certain of his desire to be joined to Jesus. Therefore he asked Jesus to wash his hands and head as well as his feet. Jesus answered, A person who has had a bath needs only to wash his feet; his whole body is clean. (Some Gr. mss. omit the words "his feet.") Roman Catholics sometimes have interpreted verse 10 to mean that after infant baptism only penance is needed. A preferable interpretation is that after salvation all one needs is confession of sins, the continual application of Jesus' death to cleanse one's daily sins (cf. 1 John 1:7; 2:1-2). When Jesus added that not every one of you is clean, He was referring to Judas (cf. John 13:11, 18). This suggests that Judas was not converted.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.[/quote?]

The way you stated your first sentence, appears to contradict this Verse.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (GW)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] By one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.
Whether we are Jewish or Greek, slave or free, God gave all of us one Spirit to drink.

The Holy Spirit immerses us into the spiritual body of Jesus Christ, the very moment we first genuinely believed, receiving HIM as LORD, which means MASTER.