Victoria OSTEEN SAID WHAT!!!!
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2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
I've seen Joel Osteen at Hillsong conference, in his home church in Houston, Texas, USA and i've read quite a few of his books. I'd say he has the charisma to attract people to listen to him. About his preaching, I'd say it's all about prosperity and mind you, he does know how to live in "extreme prosperity" too. But God once used a donkey to say what He wants to say. What can I say?
Just because i love someone doesn't mean i should not tell the truth - Love will surely offend the sons of the devil but to the sons of the Truth its revelation...
I can't love my neighbhor if i don't tell them the truth (sin is sin, evil is evil etc.. etc) Oneday, we will see so many preachers cast into the lake of fire because they do not want to speak the truth and offend others...
Love this verse
Revelation 21:8 But the FEARFUL, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all lLIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
I can't love my neighbhor if i don't tell them the truth (sin is sin, evil is evil etc.. etc) Oneday, we will see so many preachers cast into the lake of fire because they do not want to speak the truth and offend others...
Love this verse
Revelation 21:8 But the FEARFUL, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all lLIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
I DON"T agree that is the only motivation for Christians to love and worship God, but let's say for you, or others, it is. KNOWING that, why wouldn't you take the necessary cure to vaccinate yourself from the disease?
As Moses raised the snake..... ALL those people had to do was look at the pole that Moses raised in the wilderness and the pain and DEATH they faced from getting bit by the fiery snakes went away.
The text doesn't say, but I bet there were those who said "that's ridiculous, I'm not looking at that stupid pole". They didn't believe and they DIED.
The question is why wouldn't YOU take the cure?
As Moses raised the snake..... ALL those people had to do was look at the pole that Moses raised in the wilderness and the pain and DEATH they faced from getting bit by the fiery snakes went away.
The text doesn't say, but I bet there were those who said "that's ridiculous, I'm not looking at that stupid pole". They didn't believe and they DIED.
The question is why wouldn't YOU take the cure?
I think this generalization is too careless. The "faith out of fear" is a thing of the past. The old tradition of scaring people to believe is long gone. Most Christians now believe because they chose to believe.
I think what this woman should do is read the Bible and pray more.
She made a mistake. She should take it back and apologize. There is no need to find " a deeper meaning" of what she said. The fact that it is interpreted the way it is in the media proves it is a mistake.
I think what this woman should do is read the Bible and pray more.
She made a mistake. She should take it back and apologize. There is no need to find " a deeper meaning" of what she said. The fact that it is interpreted the way it is in the media proves it is a mistake.
I agree and will also add.....Is it the age old movement of lifting self above God just as Lucifer did and now being done by the children of the devil...SELF does two things.....
1. It deifies you above God and places yourself 1st
2. In essence makes you a little (god) of your own destiny if you will......
Self is the number 1 idol in the world!
J
Though I can't speak for most Christians, I can speak for myself. Hell had absolutely nothing to do with my coming to our Lord Jesus, in earnest, when very young. I slowly read the New Testament gospels into the late night, and in Jesus Christ I saw a man who was of complete truth, explained everything wrong with the world, stood absolutely on righteous principles, no hypocrite, didn't suck up to anybody and compromise Himself, had no fear, with the power of God to make the blind man see, both physically and spiritually: in short, a man unlike any other, with a truthful genius, words like no other man, ever, and righteousness, justice, that made Him an absolute, enthralling Hero to me I wanted to follow, seeing my own shame, lack of holiness and depravity, which, also, only He had the solution for. So, it wasn't hell fear for me, rather love for and awe of our Lord Jesus.
Anyway, the Bible does not teach self-love motivations in our relationship with God and the pursuit of happiness in this carnal world. If this were the case, you'd be a goner, as Jesus Christ would have never loved you enough to suffer the hellish for you, and God would be busy making Himself happy, that is, get us sinful worms out of His sight, not long suffering and redeeming of us. This Mrs. Osteen statement is abominable. She's going to have to tickle somebody else's ears with such fake gospel statements, lies, and Joel's partial truths, so as not to upset Loadicean believers straight into being spewed from the Lord's mouth and, yes, into hell.
Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Anyway, the Bible does not teach self-love motivations in our relationship with God and the pursuit of happiness in this carnal world. If this were the case, you'd be a goner, as Jesus Christ would have never loved you enough to suffer the hellish for you, and God would be busy making Himself happy, that is, get us sinful worms out of His sight, not long suffering and redeeming of us. This Mrs. Osteen statement is abominable. She's going to have to tickle somebody else's ears with such fake gospel statements, lies, and Joel's partial truths, so as not to upset Loadicean believers straight into being spewed from the Lord's mouth and, yes, into hell.
Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I'm a bit confused here. I totally disagree with Victoria Olsteen. I don't attend church to worship myself, I attend it to worship my Lord and Savior.
This question I ask of everyone here. Where in the scriptures does it tell us that as Christians we should not be happy? About fifty times in the New Testament we are told how to be extremely happy (blessed). If you aren't happy, in church, on the job, or at home, I suggest a study of the word "happy (blessed)".
This question I ask of everyone here. Where in the scriptures does it tell us that as Christians we should not be happy? About fifty times in the New Testament we are told how to be extremely happy (blessed). If you aren't happy, in church, on the job, or at home, I suggest a study of the word "happy (blessed)".
I think if God made us with the ability to be defective, in his all knowing, all foreseeing omnipotence, then he knew we would become defective. Thus, we're made exactly the way he meant us to be. And this 'cure', there's absolutely no way anyone except God can impart it, nobody can 'gain' it, nobody can 'work for it', and since God chooses who receives it and who doesn't, effort in pursuit of it is futile.
Now, that's my take on how you interpret the bible, but I don't read it in the same way you do.
Now, that's my take on how you interpret the bible, but I don't read it in the same way you do.
J
If by happy, you mean joy in the Lord and not the things of the world, yes, and I know I have that "happiness," that joy, peace and contentment. But this is not of myself. Nor do I love this corrupt world people have made it, enjoy the news, etc. I find there's much to mourn about here, if you really love at all, love others, love God and righteousness, justice. I can't say I feel at home here, don't see myself as being truly happy until being with the Lord in the resurrection. And joy in the Lord is not what Mrs. Osteen was referring to in a dissertation on how faith is to make yourself feel good. I bet that cross was real happy to the Lord Jesus, in His pursuit of happiness in the flesh, in the Roman world, you think?
As for me, I'd rather bow out of it here, folks, don't like disputings of the obvious, the difference between ego and agape love, for instance, the whole gospel versus the part gospel, love of God versus love of the world, mansions, private planes, keeping up the smiley face and laughter, etc. These are things either one has eyes to see, in scripture and in a life, or not, bottom line. I fear for those who will feed their egos into hell.
Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
2 Corinthians 6:4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses.
As for me, I'd rather bow out of it here, folks, don't like disputings of the obvious, the difference between ego and agape love, for instance, the whole gospel versus the part gospel, love of God versus love of the world, mansions, private planes, keeping up the smiley face and laughter, etc. These are things either one has eyes to see, in scripture and in a life, or not, bottom line. I fear for those who will feed their egos into hell.
Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
2 Corinthians 6:4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses.
The Osteens are the world leaders in the Word Faith heresy. I have to doubt this woman has even read the Bible from the statements she has made in the video.
"I give thanks to you, O Lord my God, with my whole heart, and I will glorify your name forever." Psalm 86:12
"5 May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to live in such harmony with one another, in accord with Christ Jesus, 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 15:5-6
"20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body." 1 Cor. 6:20
This is what worship is about - glorifying God, not the self or happiness.
"I give thanks to you, O Lord my God, with my whole heart, and I will glorify your name forever." Psalm 86:12
"5 May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to live in such harmony with one another, in accord with Christ Jesus, 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 15:5-6
"20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body." 1 Cor. 6:20
This is what worship is about - glorifying God, not the self or happiness.
B
Instead of accusing what is evident, show her the love of God and the joy we have by laying our life down as a friend of God.
John 13:14-17
14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
John 13:14-17
14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
W
Im sorry to say people who attend this type of church arent looking for the Truth. They want to be told that life is awesome and they want to be entertained. Joel osteen doesnt just have theology with a few errors, hes heretic. He blatantly boasts that budists and every other form of religion will be in heaven. These people if they read the bible would run from this church.. .but they dont want truth.
The Kingdom of God is joy, peace, and righteousness in the Holy Ghost. You can have joy with the Spirit. So God does want us to be happy. However, she is focused on the worldly (carnal ME) happiness and not on pleasing God and in knowing the joy of the Lord by living for Him (In all areas of one's life). For whether we celebrate, study God's Word, and or are persecuted for our faith, we are at peace and we are happy with God. For we do all things to glorify Jesus Christ. For no man can lay any foundation but Jesus Christ. This external world will pass away. It means nothing. It's treasures are nothing. They will be burned up. This body is nothing. It will one day die. Only God and in knowing His love and in knowing His joy will last forever. That is the only thing that you can bank on in this life. So we must not be focused on ourselves and our worldly happiness. We must be focused on pleasing God. For pleasing God will naturally in turn make you happy (Even amongst sufferings or persecutions within our faith).
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Here are a list of passages that show we are to have joy when we are persecuted for our faith:
Matt 5:12 Cross References (46 Verses)
However, a faith that is focused on loving yourself, the world, and the things within it is not the faith of the Bible, though. It is a counterfeit faith. Having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. They say, Lord, Lord, but their heart is far from Him. For when we love ourselves more than God, we make ourselves into a god. We must always live unto God in all things. Be humble before Him, and dedicate every single fiber of our being to God so as to glorify Him. For we are nothing. Christ is everything.
Matt 5:12 Cross References (46 Verses)
However, a faith that is focused on loving yourself, the world, and the things within it is not the faith of the Bible, though. It is a counterfeit faith. Having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof. They say, Lord, Lord, but their heart is far from Him. For when we love ourselves more than God, we make ourselves into a god. We must always live unto God in all things. Be humble before Him, and dedicate every single fiber of our being to God so as to glorify Him. For we are nothing. Christ is everything.