Victoria OSTEEN SAID WHAT!!!!

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know1

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Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Luk 13:12 And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him, and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity.
Luk 13:13 And he laid his hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.
Luk 13:14 And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day.
Luk 13:15 The Lord then answered him, and said, Thou hypocrite, doth not each one of you on the sabbath loose his ox or his ass from the stall, and lead him away to watering [or seed personal pleasures for yourselves]?
Luk 13:16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?

Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

You all seek personal pleasures and do things for yourselves, but because it involves God, you got religious and the guilty condemned the innocent.
Did you come to Christ for God or for yourself? Was it to help God or was it to save your own skin?
Like I said, you all seek personal pleasures, all the time, and it ain't for God. So why be hypocrites and condemn something you all do yourselves?

 
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oldthennew

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#82
if anyone thinks that the 'Body of Christ' should not be continually on their toes
and concerned with what those who proclaim to be the 'heads of the church' and
who receive their pay-checks/tithes from their followers,then they should take
heed to these verses, among many other verses.

MATT. 7:15.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

MARK 13:22.
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show
signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

But take heed, behold, I have foretold you all things.

COL.2:8.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,
after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world,
and not after Christ.

11COR.11:2-3.
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy:
for I have espoused you to one Husband, that I may present you
as a chaste virgin to Christ.

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty,
so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

PROVERBS 6:12-13.
A naughty person, a wicked man, walks with a forward mouth.
He winks with his eyes, he speaks with his feet,
he teaches with his fingers...


2PETER 3:17.
You therefore, beloved, seeing you know these things before, beware
lest you also, being led away with the error of the wicked,
fall from your own sted-fastness.
 
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santuzza

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#83
You worship God because Jesus told you to worship God, and God deserves your worship because God is God.

Why?
I have no other answer other than God is God. There is no why. If you don't know who God is, than I suggest you read the Bible and pray for discernment.
 

Patnubay

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#84
i am not sure i totally disagree with what she said...

for whose benefit do we worship God? does God need our worship? can our worship ever benefit him? does God need us or is it us who need him?
I think God being God definitely does NOT need our worship. I think the right question to ask is " Did God ask us to worship Him"? He told us not to worship any god before Him and Honor the Sabbath and our parents. But I can't seem to find any verse where God asked to be worshipped.
 
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kennethcadwell

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#85
I think God being God definitely does NOT need our worship. I think the right question to ask is " Did God ask us to worship Him"? He told us not to worship any god before Him and Honor the Sabbath and our parents. But I can't seem to find any verse where God asked to be worshipped.
Why do you think he had the tabernacles, temples, and the alters built in the bible ?

It was for the purpose to worship Him.
 
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oldernotwiser

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#86
You worship God because Jesus told you to worship God, and God deserves your worship because God is God.

Why?
because i see jesus, his life, death, and resurrection, as a window into the nature of god.
 

skipp

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#87
Why such a concern about what a certain person says, all it does is create idle talk and a spirit of judging others. If you know the truth and have the truth operating in you through the love of God then live it and walk in it and don't be so disturbed about what others have to say. Being occupied with it only keeps you from being occupied with Christ in our calling. God is faithful and He will reveal the hidden counsels of the heart and then all men will have praise of God.
False teachers need to be called out. Because this narcissistic 'health and wealth' self help brand of Christianity is growing ever more popular in the United States and around the world. This brand of watered down Christianity is dangerous because it cheapens and twists the message of the Gospel. It's heretical.
 
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oldernotwiser

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i have sent young people to christian churches here in china and they have left laughing more than once. they are often greeted by a group who will surround them, pray for them, and tell them that if they dont become christans they will burn in hell forever like all of their ancestors, but if they do god will love them and they will become rich.
 
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We worship God because He is worthy of it.

2 Samuel 22:4 (KJV) [SUP]4 [/SUP]I will call on the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 4:11 (KJV) [SUP]11 [/SUP]Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 5:12 (KJV) [SUP]12 [/SUP]Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
 
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We worship God because He is Holy.

Psalm 99:5 (KJV) [SUP]5 [/SUP]Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; for he is holy.
[HR][/HR]Psalm 99:9 (KJV) [SUP]9 [/SUP]Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.
 
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kennethcadwell

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False teachers need to be called out. Because this narcissistic 'health and wealth' self help brand of Christianity is growing ever more popular in the United States and around the world. This brand of watered down Christianity is dangerous because it cheapens and twists the message of the Gospel. It's heretical.
Exactly, we are told in the bible to esteem others more than ourselves.
 

iwant2serve

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Ya know how sad yall sound? I fyou believe there is a problem with what is said you are suppose to pray about it not spread your view of what you think is true. This has gone on far to long with the body of Christ bashing other people. Sitting on the dont do nothing we have yet pointing a finger at everyone else. Again this is sad for believers to act in this way towards anyone. The Bible actually said if one comes preaching another gospel not to bid them God's speed (give thim your time). Something to think on when you go around talking about who is rea land who is not.
 
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[h=3][/h][h=3]2 Peter 2:1-22[/h] But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;

[h=1]Matthew 18:15-17[/h][SUP]15 [/SUP]“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

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Ephesians 5:11
[/h] Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.


Ya know how sad yall sound? I fyou believe there is a problem with what is said you are suppose to pray about it not spread your view of what you think is true. This has gone on far to long with the body of Christ bashing other people. Sitting on the dont do nothing we have yet pointing a finger at everyone else. Again this is sad for believers to act in this way towards anyone. The Bible actually said if one comes preaching another gospel not to bid them God's speed (give thim your time). Something to think on when you go around talking about who is rea land who is not.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Patnubay

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Why do you think he had the tabernacles, temples, and the alters built in the bible ?

It was for the purpose to worship Him.
Read your verses again. God did not build those temples tabernacles and altars in the bible. People built them like King David. And it is for God to "dwell". God did not ask to be worshipped though He is worthy to be worshipped.
 
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skipp

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Ya know how sad yall sound? I fyou believe there is a problem with what is said you are suppose to pray about it not spread your view of what you think is true. This has gone on far to long with the body of Christ bashing other people. Sitting on the dont do nothing we have yet pointing a finger at everyone else. Again this is sad for believers to act in this way towards anyone. The Bible actually said if one comes preaching another gospel not to bid them God's speed (give thim your time). Something to think on when you go around talking about who is rea land who is not.
I don't think you understand. This self help prosperity gospel has become extremely popular in recent years and is one of the fastest growing types of Christianity worldwide. It is distorting the true Gospel and it is turning many away from Christ. It is making a mockery of God's Word. The Bible says to expose such false teachers.
 
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oldernotwiser

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I don't think you understand. This self help prosperity gospel has become extremely popular in recent years and is one of the fastest growing types of Christianity worldwide. It is distorting the true Gospel and it is turning many away from Christ. It is making a mockery of God's Word. The Bible says to expose such false teachers.
HEY .....how can it be false .... look at the people preaching it, they're all rich
 
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Mooky

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I'm just surprised that so many of you are surprised at the teaching of Mrs Osteen whose husband wrote the New York times best seller ," Your best life now."
In the words of John Macarthur -," [the title] ought to be a dead give away since the only way this could be your best life now is if your are going to hell."
Touche John.

Here is a short excerpt from his denunciation of Joel Osteen and as one of Americas most thorough and respected reformed pastors - I think John Macarthur deserves to be heard.

[video=youtube;kicFxTeaHiY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kicFxTeaHiY[/video]
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Nonsense. This isn't heresy (sans-exclamation points). It's someone stating the truth that God's ways are good for us.
i don't think that was all she was saying...like i said in a previous post there was a point she made that i disagreed with...that 'what God really wants' is just for us to enjoy ourselves...

but i do agree with you that nothing she said was actual heresy...nobody is going to hell for believing that God wants you to have a pleasant life...

for some reason though it seems that this particular doctrine tends to provoke a ton of exaggeration from those who disagree with it...and calling it 'heresy' is an example of that kind of exaggeration...

i just don't get it...to me it seems like a waste of passion in an age when there are much more harmful teachings going around...