The Bereans would not be happy with you...

[Scuba]

If you were speaking to a Berean and you told them that the Law was not meant for the Gentiles or that the Sabbath was not for the Gentiles they would go back and test what you said and they would find this.

Exodus 12:49 "One law shall be for the native-born and for the foreigner who dwells among you."

Leviticus 24:22 "You shall have the same law for the stranger and for one from your own country; for I am the Lord your God.’”

They knew the Sabbath is part of the Law as well so they would also find this.

Isaiah 56:2 I will bless everyone who respects the Sabbath and refuses to do wrong.

Isaiah 56:6-7 As for the Gentiles, the outsiders who join the people of the Lord and serve him and love his name, who are his servants and don’t desecrate the Sabbath, and have accepted his covenant and promises, I will bring them also to my holy mountain of Jerusalem and make them full of joy within my House of Prayer.

There is a lot more they would find but I'll stop here.

I don't think the Bereans would be happy with you.

 

[dcontroversal]

If you were speaking to a Berean and you told them that the Law was not meant ofr the Gentiles or that the Sabbath was not for the Gentiles they would go back and test what you said and they would find this.

Exodus 12:49 "One law shall be for the native-born and for the foreigner who dwells among you."



Leviticus 24:22 "You shall have the same law for the stranger and for one from your own country; for I am the Lord your God.’”

They knoew the Sabbath is part of the Law as well so they would also find this.

Isaiah 56:2 I will bless everyone who respects the Sabbath and refuses to do wrong.

Isaiah 56:6-7 As for the Gentiles, the outsiders who join the people of the Lord and serve him and love his name, who are his servants and don’t desecrate the Sabbath, and have accepted his covenant and promises, I will bring them also to my holy mountain of Jerusalem and make them full of joy within my House of Prayer.

There is a lot more they would find but I'll stop here.

I don't think the Bereans would be happy with you.

Hey Scuba diver......I don't have to impress the Bereans.....only God!

 

[Scuba]

Hey Scuba diver......I don't have to impress the Bereans.....only God!

How about the Lord of the Sabbath?

The idea is that what people are teaching you today is not taught in the Bible.

 

[dcontroversal]

How about the Lord of the Sabbath?

The idea is that what people are teaching you today is not taught in the Bible.

HAHA that assumes I sit under somebody.......! and I get your jest.........was just making my own jest !

 

[Scuba]

HAHA that assumes I sit under somebody.......! and I get your jest.........was just making my own jest !

I knew you got, I was just using it as bate.

 

[djness]

How about the Lord of the Sabbath?

The idea is that what people are teaching you today is not taught in the Bible.

Great question! How about we ask the Lord of the Sabbath!

[h=1]Mark 2:23-28King James Version (KJV)[/h]23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

 

[Scuba]

Great question! How about we ask the Lord of the Sabbath!

Mark 2:23-28King James Version (KJV)

23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

I love these verses because they reveal to us how the teachings of Jesus didn't change the Sabbath, they just restored the Sabbath to it's original intent. We know this because Jesus uses the Old Covenant to teach a New Covenant principle about honoring the Sabbath. And why go through all this trouble of, quoting the Old Testament and teaching about the Sabbath, if the Sabbath was done away with or changed to another day?

Remember, Jesus came to magnify the Law and make it honorable. Why? Because religious man mad God's Law dishonorable with all their man made rules.

Isaiah 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness’ sake; He will magnify the law and make it honorable.

 

[FireHeart]

hmm another sabbath thread huh? I have debated plenty on these but I never saw anything good come from it, in fact I classify this as one of the sensitive subjects that only cause war like the rapture or the baptism for salvation. Im not touching this one with a ten foot pole happy postings

 

[Scuba]

hmm another sabbath thread huh? I have debated plenty on these but I never saw anything good come from it, in fact I classify this as one of the sensitive subjects that only cause war like the rapture or the baptism for salvation. Im not touching this one with a ten foot pole happy postings

Truth sometimes divides those who refuse it.

Matthew 10:34-36 “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword. ‘I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Your enemies will be right in your own household!’

 

[BradC]

If you were speaking to a Berean and you told them that the Law was not meant for the Gentiles or that the Sabbath was not for the Gentiles they would go back and test what you said and they would find this.

Exodus 12:49 "One law shall be for the native-born and for the foreigner who dwells among you."

Leviticus 24:22 "You shall have the same law for the stranger and for one from your own country; for I am the Lord your God.’”

They knew the Sabbath is part of the Law as well so they would also find this.

Isaiah 56:2 I will bless everyone who respects the Sabbath and refuses to do wrong.

Isaiah 56:6-7 As for the Gentiles, the outsiders who join the people of the Lord and serve him and love his name, who are his servants and don’t desecrate the Sabbath, and have accepted his covenant and promises, I will bring them also to my holy mountain of Jerusalem and make them full of joy within my House of Prayer.

There is a lot more they would find but I'll stop here.

I don't think the Bereans would be happy with you.

But now Christ has come and he bore our sin, was buried and rose again and we have the New Testament ratified by His blood, so you would have to show those Bereans what we have according to the new covenant through Christ. They would have to search the scriptures of the NT and discover that the old has be exceeded by the new, that the glory of the law had been excelled by the glory of the Spirit doing away with the old and making it vanish away. They would discover that the new has better promises, a better priesthood, better things that accompany salvation, a better hope, a better testament, a better covenant, a better sacrifice, with a better enduring substance, with a desire of a better country and city and with a better resurrection which God has provided as a better thing for us. Now instead of having to keep the Sabbath holy they can rejoice and be exceedingly glad that they have found rest in the Lord of the Sabbath. This is what the Bereans would have to read and be amazed at what Christ has done...

Heb 9:11-28

11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

 

[FireHeart]

Truth sometimes divides those who refuse it.

Matthew 10:34-36 “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword. ‘I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Your enemies will be right in your own household!’

True it divides but thats not my point, my point is the arguements can go on for ages and not one person will admit they were wrong and learn from it. I sometimes think these types of threads are made just to have fun in heated unresolved debates not so much to teach or learn the truth.

 

[Scuba]

True it divides but thats not my point, my point is the arguements can go on for ages and not one person will admit they were wrong and learn from it. I sometimes think these types of threads are made just to have fun in heated unresolved debates not so much to teach or learn the truth.

I look at what I'm doing as planting seeds. Someone out there will test what is being said and come to the knowledge just like I did. In today's Christian world there is a sleepiness going on to the point that sin is creeping into the church. We desire to be more politically correct, rather than, biblically correct. This was all prophesied by God many years ago.

 

[crossnote]

Acts 15:10-11, 19-20, 28-29 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

...expect no response from me.

 

[JesusIsAll]

hmm another sabbath thread huh? I have debated plenty on these but I never saw anything good come from it, in fact I classify this as one of the sensitive subjects that only cause war like the rapture or the baptism for salvation. Im not touching this one with a ten foot pole happy postings

I'm with you! There's this endless bickering and turning doctrine into a pretzel all over the web, by people who are clearly very unlearned in theology. It becomes a real bore, fast. Would that some people would spend time actually learning the Bible and the whole gospel and move on from there, as this thing of being like gerbils on a treadmill, stuck at and arguing matters of basic, settled doctrine, is nowhere, and I've also seen much appalling behavior, viciousness, in these so-called Christian discussions. I think the Lord must have been behind the Page Up and Page Down Keys, as well as the scroll bar!

 

[FireHeart]

I'm with you! There's this endless bickering and turning doctrine into a pretzel all over the web, by people who are clearly very unlearned in theology. It becomes a real bore, fast. Would that some people would spend time actually learning the Bible and the whole gospel and move on from there, as this thing of being like gerbils on a treadmill, stuck at and arguing matters of basic, settled doctrine, is nowhere, and I've also seen much appalling behavior, viciousness, in these so-called Christian discussions. I think the Lord must have been behind the Page Up and Page Down Keys, as well as the scroll bar!

LOL your funny ya I know far to well the bickering the attacking the twisting of the scriptures the doctrine dividing attacking and rejecting. But I cant give up hope that one day we will all be more kind and patient and loving and not mocked by the world because of the very Hypocrites we have become.

 

[JesusIsAll]

LOL your funny ya I know far to well the bickering the attacking the twisting of the scriptures the doctrine dividing attacking and rejecting. But I cant give up hope that one day we will all be more kind and patient and loving and not mocked by the world because of the very Hypocrites we have become.

I admire your hope, at least this side of the kingdom of heaven. Excuse me. I have to run along to the kitchen, as my glass of water is half empty.