It is possible for a Christian to lose their salvation.

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sacraig67

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I have a question. If God promises us eternal life through Jesus but we can lose our salvation doesn't that mean that the promise of God means nothing? So when God promises us salvation then can take it away why trust Him? Just a couple questions to ponder.
 
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What, another one? The old/existing/worn out debates weren't enough? Had to have yet ANOTHER thread beating the same dead horse? Have you people REALLY got nothing better to do?
 
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Maybe Craig is questioning his own salvation?

Are you concerned about your own salvation Craig? Is there something you need to clarify?
 
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marymagdalene7 said:
What about Rev 3:5. ? He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life.

In ordered to be erased from the book of life you have to first be put in the book of life.
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This is actually a verse that bolsters the security of the believer.
It's like saying ''and I will never cast them away''. Notice he never says to believers, ''I will erase (or blot out) his name....''
 
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MadParrotWoman said:
Maybe Craig is questioning his own salvation?

Are you concerned about your own salvation Craig? Is there something you need to clarify?
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No no no! My salvation is firm in the blood of Christ! I believe those in Christ cannot lose their salvation.
Those were kinda "devils advocate" questions. If God promises us eternal salvation through Christ and we are in Christ we cannot lose salvation. If we are in Christ and we can lose our salvation would that not then make God a lier?
 
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sacraig67 said:
No no no! My salvation is firm in the blood of Christ! I believe those in Christ cannot lose their salvation.
Those were kinda "devils advocate" questions. If God promises us eternal salvation through Christ and we are in Christ we cannot lose salvation. If we are in Christ and we can lose our salvation would that not then make God a lier?
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"Eternal salvation while we are in Christ Jesus" yes but not if we are no longer in Christ. Our choice, a simple choice.
 
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MadParrotWoman said:
"Eternal salvation while we are in Christ Jesus" yes but not if we are no longer in Christ. Our choice, a simple choice.
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So we're those Christians we have seen fall away ever actually in Christ? I don't think they ever were. Those in Christ are in God's hands. Those not in Christ are not in God's hands.
 
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sacraig67 said:
So we're those Christians we have seen fall away ever actually in Christ? I don't think they ever were. Those in Christ are in God's hands. Those not in Christ are not in God's hands.
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You make a good point. I can't ever imagine giving up what it took me so long to find.
 
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That's why I believe those we see fall away were never really in Christ in the first place.
 
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Perhaps this will help you. It is my sincere hope that you are blessed by whatever insight this article may provide.


Is it possible for a Christian to lose salvation?


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know1 said:
Know it or not, we are all born again BY the word of God, which is truth.
The short of it is, if you receive the word of God by believing the truth, then as Peter started to sink in the water AFTER he was walking on it, and as thousands of Christians got healed by God and lost it, so can the word of God be taken out of your heart or die within, if you no longer agree with and believe the gospel.
For it is written, Amo 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
If you you receive Jesus through His word by faith, then you can lose the word through deception unto doubt.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
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sacraig67 said:
Oh I hear you on that! Just thinking of what Jesus did for me how could I ever deny Him.
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I denied him once in the early days, I got down on my knees and begged forgiveness and vowed I would never deny Him again. I never have and I never will whatever the circumstances.
 
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MadParrotWoman said:
I denied him once in the early days, I got down on my knees and begged forgiveness and vowed I would never deny Him again. I never have and I never will whatever the circumstances.
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I have done that before but I was already in Christ, like you, so God kept us in His hand. Those that deny but never return were not In His hand to begin with.
 
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Re: for $64,000 You Cannot Quote "Lose Salvation" in the Bible

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HYPOCRITE!!! Neither does the word, 'rapture', but you believe in that!!!

You need to find a viable argument against the things I wrote WITH SCRIPTURE. The point is to use scripture to reveal truth from error, not spew forth the mess like the above statement, because your denomination and you believe that way.
I can show with scripture that we are born again by receiving the truth of God's word by faith.
If you wish to debunk something, I would suggest you start with that sir.
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don't forget trinity ...Atwood makes all the rules and if you don't play by his rules he takes his bat and ball and goes home
 
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sacraig67 said:
So we're those Christians we have seen fall away ever actually in Christ? I don't think they ever were. Those in Christ are in God's hands. Those not in Christ are not in God's hands.
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They left on their own accord....God gave all who receive him the power to become sons of God...notice the things men depart from the faith for...seducing spirits , doctrine of devils and love of money...We are saved by grace through faith so no one can tell me that those who depart from the faith are still saved...Unless they them self are following a doctrine of devils... saying they were never saved to begin with...
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
 
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That's my point...they weren't saved to begin with.
 
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sacraig67 said:
I have done that before but I was already in Christ, like you, so God kept us in His hand. Those that deny but never return were not In His hand to begin with.
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that is ridiculous ..........first you admit you denied him just as MPW I am assuming you begged forgiveness and came back to him same like MPW....now you are saying those who never return were never saved in the first place...so if they decide sometime next year to return to Christ...would that make you a liar? And had you not returned when you did ...would it be fair for someone to say you were never saved in the first place? You make rules to save yourself and condemn others who do the same as you...
 
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that is ridiculous ..........first you admit you denied him just as MPW I am assuming you begged forgiveness and came back to him same like MPW....now you are saying those who never return were never saved in the first place...so if they decide sometime next year to return to Christ...would that make you a liar? And had you not returned when you did ...would it be fair for someone to say you were never saved in the first place? You make rules to save yourself and condemn others who do the same as you...
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I believe there is a difference..
To deny Him in the early days when your head is in a mess, your friends and family are ridiculing you and then immediately recognising that sin, regretting it and begging forgiveness is very different than falling away once you know Him or deliberately continuing in a sin. I never fell away, I was just put on a spot and "chickened out" of admitting being a Christian - although I most definitely was at that point.

I hope that makes sense.
 
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Don't ya all see, us OSAS'ers win by definition...if someone goes into perdition, they were never saved to begin with. :)
 
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