It is possible for a Christian to lose their salvation.

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sacraig67 said:
I have a question. If God promises us eternal life through Jesus but we can lose our salvation doesn't that mean that the promise of God means nothing? So when God promises us salvation then can take it away why trust Him? Just a couple questions to ponder.
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No it would not make it mean nothing, but what people have a hard time understanding is we also play a role in order to receive that gift. We must also accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, by repenting and asking forgiveness of our sins, and to obey Him in our walk in life.

If we turn and walk away it is our choice, Gods promise will still be there for us to accept again if we chose to come back to Him.

We can and do back slide, but if we repent and ask forgiveness we will be forgiven by our Lord and Savior. We still have to keep from falling and walking back in willful sin, which is done without forgiveness or repentance.

2 Peter 2:20-22

For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
 
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that is ridiculous ..........first you admit you denied him just as MPW I am assuming you begged forgiveness and came back to him same like MPW....now you are saying those who never return were never saved in the first place...so if they decide sometime next year to return to Christ...would that make you a liar? And had you not returned when you did ...would it be fair for someone to say you were never saved in the first place? You make rules to save yourself and condemn others who do the same as you...
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But the difference is that I did return. Do you not see the difference here? Because I did return means I AM IN CHRIST. Those who DO NOT RETURN WHERE NEVER IN CHRIST. Sorry I had to capitalize so you could see the difference.
 
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kennethcadwell said:
No it would not make it mean nothing, but what people have a hard time understanding is we also play a role in order to receive that gift. We must also accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, by repenting and asking forgiveness of our sins, and to obey Him in our walk in life.

If we turn and walk away it is our choice, Gods promise will still be there for us to accept again if we chose to come back to Him.

We can and do back slide, but if we repent and ask forgiveness we will be forgiven by our Lord and Savior. We still have to keep from falling and walking back in willful sin, which is done without forgiveness or repentance.

2 Peter 2:20-22

For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
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Yes, I believe we will again be received if we repent and return to Him but we must repent and return to regain salvation.

Peter denied Him 3 times yet was received back into the fold. Jesus even asked Peter 3 times if he loved him.
 
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Those that backslide and repent were saved. Those that don't repent were not ever saved. They were. just paying lip service to God. Can you see the difference?
 
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sacraig67 said:
I have a question. If God promises us eternal life through Jesus but we can lose our salvation doesn't that mean that the promise of God means nothing? So when God promises us salvation then can take it away why trust Him? Just a couple questions to ponder.
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Eternal life is in Christ so one has to abide in Christ to receive it...God is not taking anything from those who refuse to abide in Christ...There is no eternal life outside Christ it is that simple....
 
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sacraig67 said:
Those that backslide and repent were saved. Those that don't repent were not ever saved. They were. just paying lip service to God. Can you see the difference?
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If they were never saved they did not backslide...can you see the difference?
 
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newbirth said:
Eternal life is in Christ so one has to abide in Christ to receive it...God is not taking anything from those who refuse to abide in Christ...There is no eternal life outside Christ it is that simple....
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Correct! No one can dispute that!
 
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sacraig67 said:
But the difference is that I did return. Do you not see the difference here? Because I did return means I AM IN CHRIST. Those who DO NOT RETURN WHERE NEVER IN CHRIST. Sorry I had to capitalize so you could see the difference.
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If they were never in Christ how can they return? Can you see the difference??????
 
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Or I should say no Christian can dispute that.
 
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newbirth said:
If they were never in Christ how can they return? Can you see the difference??????
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Let me try to explain it this way. I accepted Christ when I was younger. Over the years I backslid. I repented and "came" back to God. I was saved from when I accepted Christ.
A person who "accepts" Christ backsides and walks away was not saved when they "accepted" Christ.
Does that explain what I am saying?
 
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OK my point is this. A Christian cannot lose their salvation. What we see as Christians losing their salvation were not real saved Christians they were people putting on a front to "look" like Christians. Is that a better explanation?
 
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sacraig67

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Sorry my brain got all mixed up and I had a hard time explaining what I meant to say. My last post is what I have been trying to say. Please forgive me everyone!
 
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I believe there is a difference..
To deny Him in the early days when your head is in a mess, your friends and family are ridiculing you and then immediately recognising that sin, regretting it and begging forgiveness is very different than falling away once you know Him or deliberately continuing in a sin. I never fell away, I was just put on a spot and "chickened out" of admitting being a Christian - although I most definitely was at that point.

I hope that makes sense.
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The point is you denied Christ if you had stayed in that position it would be no different from one who had fallen away five years ago...Christ will be there waiting to forgive...God is not a respecter of persons....and sin pays the same wages ....We thank God for those who see the fault and repent at once, we pray for those who are blinded or deceived...but we do not glory in the weakness of a brother or sister.....
 
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sacraig67 said:
OK my point is this. A Christian cannot lose their salvation. What we see as Christians losing their salvation were not real saved Christians they were people putting on a front to "look" like Christians. Is that a better explanation?
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Same same ...You believe a Christian cannot lose his salvation...A pretend Christian cannot lose what they don't have.....
 
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newbirth when I started rereading what I had written I realized I even confused myself (which isn't too hard lol) thank you for helping me see that.
 
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sacraig67 said:
Let me try to explain it this way. I accepted Christ when I was younger. Over the years I backslid. I repented and "came" back to God. I was saved from when I accepted Christ.
A person who "accepts" Christ backsides and walks away was not saved when they "accepted" Christ.
Does that explain what I am saying?
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Why must it be different for you, did you not backslide and walk away.....you were saved ...you went back to sin, we are saved from sin , so how can you be still saved in sin..yes you are Christ purchased property but you defiled yourself non the less...when you came to your senses you repented and was forgiven and you are back in the fold...all backsliders belong to Christ one cannot say they were never saved...if God is merciful to you and took you back can he not be merciful to them if they return? If however they die in their sinful state they cannot receive the promise. That is why one must be very careful because we don't know when this can happen...
John 15:6
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
 
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sacraig67 said:
newbirth when I started rereading what I had written I realized I even confused myself (which isn't too hard lol) thank you for helping me see that.
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that is what we are here for...
 
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Don't ya all see, us OSAS'ers win by definition...if someone goes into perdition, they were never saved to begin with. :)
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Is that what you are here to do ...win? OK you win...hope you are happy....
 
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The difference is I repented and went back to God. You are not either not seeing my point or you don't care to acknowledge it.
 
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