While having a spiritual drought...

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Patnubay

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To try to live as a Christian is not an easy task.
Takes a lot of faith, effort, prayer and grace.
But during a spiritual drought, one might ask, Is it all for good? What happens if it is all for nothing?
What if we are just supposed to live and die like any other living creation.
That the thing we know as evil is just an act of survival like a lion to its prey and the good we crave is just a game played by our sentient mind?

Ecclesiastes 1 New King James Version (NKJV)

The Vanity of Life

1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.
2 “Vanity[a] of vanities,” says the Preacher;
“Vanity of vanities, all is vanity.”

3 What profit has a man from all his labor
In which he toils under the sun?
4 One generation passes away, and another generation comes;
But the earth abides forever.
5 The sun also rises, and the sun goes down,
And hastens to the place where it arose.
6 The wind goes toward the south,
And turns around to the north;
The wind whirls about continually,
And comes again on its circuit.


 
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notuptome

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Living as a Christian is far easier than living as an unregenerate sinner. The sinner has no hope. The sinner has no Holy Spirit for comfort.

Isn't a spiritual drought self induced? If we starve ourselves of Gods word ought we not to expect our souls to be parched? Praise to God we have His word which is our Living Water to refresh our soul and give us strength on our journey here in this world.

Rejoice when you are afflicted for God is your comfort. Do not sorrow as those who have no hope.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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JesusIsAll

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To try to live as a Christian is not an easy task.
Takes a lot of faith, effort, prayer and grace.
But during a spiritual drought, one might ask, Is it all for good? What happens if it is all for nothing?
You know something, at least the answer to that is simple, only sometimes difficult to firmly grasp.

Faith in God is to believe in Him, trust in His word, know that, even when you aren't feeling so, the promises of God that, in Christ Jesus, you have eternal life in the kingdom of heaven, that He is righteous, that He is holy, and He is of complete truth and loves you, that He will deliver on His promises as you walk in faith: that the word of God does not change, the reasons for your faith and joy yesterday have not changed, though you aren't into it at times. Still, you attain to eternal life with the Lord, in paradise, do you not? You do love the Lord enough to believe Him absolute truth and worthy, believe in His love, His promises, do you not? Where else are you going to go to, who else are you going to turn to, what other idea or philosophy are you going to turn to at times of doubt, to end that drought that can be this life, and end it forever someday? It's these times we need to be like Job, trust the Lord "though He slay me," call into remembrance the previous days and our reasons for our having great faith and joy then.

I hope this helps, I know it has me, times in the depths, also to pray and turn it over to the Lord, just pour your situation out to the Lord and ask for strength. I also love to read Psalms when in a drought or in distress, find them of such great comfort. Reading in His word does work, even times you don't feel like it, do so anyway, as His word is living. Anyway, we must learn to trust the Lord, despite ourselves, rest in faith in Him, believing when it's hard to believe the essence of true and strong faith.

Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
 

homwardbound

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To try to live as a Christian is not an easy task.
Takes a lot of faith, effort, prayer and grace.
But during a spiritual drought, one might ask, Is it all for good? What happens if it is all for nothing?
What if we are just supposed to live and die like any other living creation.
That the thing we know as evil is just an act of survival like a lion to its prey and the good we crave is just a game played by our sentient mind?

Ecclesiastes 1 New King James Version (NKJV)

The Vanity of Life

1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.
2 “Vanity[a] of vanities,” says the Preacher;
“Vanity of vanities, all is vanity.”

3 What profit has a man from all his labor
In which he toils under the sun?
4 One generation passes away, and another generation comes;
But the earth abides forever.
5 The sun also rises, and the sun goes down,
And hastens to the place where it arose.
6 The wind goes toward the south,
And turns around to the north;
The wind whirls about continually,
And comes again on its circuit.


Is it not clear, Ecclesiastes, without God, all anyone does is fruitless, all is vanity, without God

1 Corinthians 13:1-3Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

So what do we need for we need for life and Godliness?

1 Corinthians 13:4-7New Life Version (NLV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love does not give up. Love is kind. Love is not jealous. Love does not put itself up as being important. Love has no pride. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Love does not do the wrong thing. Love never thinks of itself. Love does not get angry. Love does not remember the suffering that comes from being hurt by someone. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Love is not happy with sin. Love is happy with the truth.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Love takes everything that comes without giving up. Love believes all things. Love hopes for all things. Love keeps on in all things.


How we get that above?


Romans 4:11
And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

So how can God impute this?

2 Thessalonians 2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

If you don't believe how can you receive? Works of the First chosen never accomplished perfection did they?
But Christ did for you
So either you believe you do not, your free choice and be counted as righteous to Father by Christ's finished work for you
 
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1 Corinthians 15

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
[SUP]31 [/SUP]I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
[SUP]38 [/SUP]But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
[SUP]43 [/SUP]It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[SUP]44 [/SUP]It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
[SUP]48 [/SUP]As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
[SUP]50 [/SUP]Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
[SUP]51 [/SUP]Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[SUP]52 [/SUP]In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP]So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[SUP]55 [/SUP]O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
[SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
[SUP]57 [/SUP]But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
 

homwardbound

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Romans 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Hebrews 10:38
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Matthew 8:13
And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour

John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
 
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FireHeart

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A spiritual drought is difficult but after going through them for a bit you learn to sort of push through them. I have learned how to even in a spiritual drought be close to God.
 

sacraig67

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Sometimes I think what we see as a spiritual drought is just God speaking to us in a different way. I recently went thru this. I felt as if God wasn't listening to my prayers. I felt alone. Come to realize God was just saying "Trust in me have faith that I am in control." I needed to calm my heart and let God work not try to "push" Him into something I wasn't ready for. I am still in the same situation as before but now I have peace.
Does this make any sense?
 
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JesusIsAll

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Sometimes I think what we see as a spiritual drought is just God speaking to us in a different way. I recently went thru this. I felt as if God wasn't listening to my prayers. I felt alone. Come to realize God was just saying "Trust in me have faith that I am in control." I needed to calm my heart and let God work not try to "push" Him into something I wasn't ready for. I am still in the same situation as before but now I have peace.
Does this make any sense?
That makes abundant sense! I had a similar situation some months ago, my continual prayers not answered. Something that had not crossed my mind since I can remember, being Job "though He slay me" aware, was a disappointment in God, suffering and feeling forlorn. I knew very shortly this was a flaw in my faith. I could intellectualize and believe with all my heart the promises of God, but was I up to Job, or Paul? No! I thank the Lord He gave me the grace to get back to where "though He slay me" has greater real meaning and application, and allowed me to experience that unpleasant growth. Anyway, you're not alone!

2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
 
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FireHeart

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There are a few prayers that I have been praying about for quite some time now, in all honesty it doesnt seem like they will be answered at all but I just keep hope alive and trust him. He knows what he is doing
 
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JesusIsAll

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There are a few prayers that I have been praying about for quite some time now, in all honesty it doesnt seem like they will be answered at all but I just keep hope alive and trust him. He knows what he is doing
Absolutely, He knows what He is doing, the problem I suppose His thoughts not our thoughts, His ways not our ways to always understand, and how could we, an infinite wisdom? It remains, in my experience, He has resolved everything so far, not as I'd have expected, on my timetable, but I've never actually been left forlorn. Also, it occurs to me we have no right to expect to be beyond trials, when the greatest men of the faith had all sorts of tribulation, the worst tribulation our Lord Jesus Himself. That puts things in perspective for me. Hey! I'm not writing from a filthy Roman dungeon.
 

sacraig67

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Sometimes we have to understand that His answer is "no". On the prayers God says yes doors will open though maybe not right away. All I can say is faith and trust in God. Learn all you can through the Holy Spirit and others be humble enough to admit wrongs and be strong in the Lord! He will teach you and guide you in His will.
 

sacraig67

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Hey! I'm not writing from a filthy Roman dungeon.[/QUOTE]

Haha! I like that! Puts things in perspective doesn't it
 
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FireHeart

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Spiritual droughts arent all bad though, in fact it was in my droughts where I could not feel him at all or could not get close to him that I sought after him harder than ever and in the end I found him. There is always a reason for everything and when it comes to spiritual droughts I believe that is that is the reason he takes us through them
 
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JesusIsAll

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Haha! I like that! Puts things in perspective doesn't it
I was listening to a sermon by a Baptist minister awhile back, and he spoke of a parishioner who came to visit him in distress over God doing her wrong, saying everything is going wrong, nothing is going right. He asked her, "Did you drive in your own car to get here?" She said, "Yes." Then he asked, "Did you have money to buy gasoline for your car?" Again, "Yes." He said, "Well, there are people who don't even have a car, and wouldn't have money for gas if they did, so there are a couple things that are going right." He went on to ask if she was able to walk into his office, etc. When I consider what Paul endured, I feel like a real pansy to complain! Yes, there is perspective, very much to be thankful for, even when we're feeling self-indulgent and not thankful.
 
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JesusIsAll

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Spiritual droughts arent all bad though, in fact it was in my droughts where I could not feel him at all or could not get close to him that I sought after him harder than ever and in the end I found him. There is always a reason for everything and when it comes to spiritual droughts I believe that is that is the reason he takes us through them
The Bible even speaks of gold being refined in the furnace, and tribulations being good, strengthening,

Romans 5:3-4 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; and patience, experience; and experience, hope.

Bottom line, the carnal world teaches we're to pursue happiness, gratification, but not the Bible,

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

And people seeking that perfect, I don't know, "American dream" in this life are most all bound to be sooo disappointed at some point, for the Christian this world not even our home, this body not our home, this life not our life. The only real prize are things eternal.

It has helped me to have long ago put away this notion we're entitled to some fairy tale ending by such as the Constitution and General Electric.
 
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FireHeart

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The Bible even speaks of gold being refined in the furnace, and tribulations being good, strengthening,

Romans 5:3-4 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; and patience, experience; and experience, hope.

Bottom line, the carnal world teaches we're to pursue happiness, gratification, but not the Bible,

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

And people seeking that perfect, I don't know, "American dream" in this life are most all bound to be sooo disappointed at some point, for the Christian this world not even our home, this body not our home, this life not our life. The only real prize are things eternal.

It has helped me to have long ago put away this notion we're entitled to some fairy tale ending by such as the Constitution and General Electric.
I like your spirit:) Yes Jesus promised us tribulation much of it but here is how I see it or at least for me. No matter how hard the tribulation no matter how severe the pain and sorrow I know that the love that God and I share and the love for others will be that much stronger. This is not a belief to me its a fact
 
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Just to clarify my purpose of posting 1 Corinthians 15.

I posted that chapter particular since I perceived the topic to be about whether our faith is in vain. For Ecclesiastes though I always saw that as rather King Solomon saying that the world was vain and belief in God was really the only absolute. Though I suppose that's taking that book as a whole.

Paul is a great answer though to question of "is it all in vain?" Heh Paul's writing and logic is hard to understand for some I have found, but for me he speaks to how I think very well. I can see why God send Paul out to the Gentiles especially the greeks because he annhilates their philosophies very easily. The reasoning is simple, your faith is only in vain if Christ did not rise from the dead. Yet because Jesus is the Christ and he did indeed rise from the dead your faith is not in vain for God will resurrect his children. The glory is to God forever, amen.
 
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JesusIsAll

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I like your spirit:) Yes Jesus promised us tribulation much of it but here is how I see it or at least for me. No matter how hard the tribulation no matter how severe the pain and sorrow I know that the love that God and I share and the love for others will be that much stronger. This is not a belief to me its a fact
Thank you, and your spirit also, your take very strong and spiritually mature, a place we must all aspire to.
 
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FireHeart

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Thank you, and your spirit also, your take very strong and spiritually mature, a place we must all aspire to.
Well If I am spiritually mature I cannot take credit for it, I have all the free time in the world and I chose to spend it with God. Seeking him,learning from him, allowing him to show me what it means to be a Christian. It was all him so all the credit and glory goes to God.