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For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. -Hebrews 9:16

WHEN DOES THE NEW TESTAMENT BEGIN?
 
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The new covenant started when Jesus taught the disciples/apostles how to walk under this covenant.
It was then justified and put into full affect with His crucifixion.
 
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The new covenant started when Jesus taught the disciples/apostles how to walk under this covenant.
It was then justified and put into full affect with His crucifixion.
I agree that Jesus' teaching encompassed the new along with much of the old. Nevertheless Jesus had to die before the new was initiated. Therefore Jesus' teachings were all during the old covenant era before He was crucified. I wrote a book that describes these similarities in relation to new and old that you might enjoy. It's short.

Jesus Taught The Old Testament
 
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For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. -Hebrews 9:16

WHEN DOES THE NEW TESTAMENT BEGIN?
Nisan the 15th being the commemoration of Passover, the Gospels calling it "an high day." That's the first full day Jesus was in the grave and the day the Israel was exiting from Egypt. There is a similarity with the born again thing.
 
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I agree that Jesus' teaching encompassed the new along with much of the old. Nevertheless Jesus had to die before the new was initiated. Therefore Jesus' teachings were all during the old covenant era before He was crucified. I wrote a book that describes these similarities in relation to new and old that you might enjoy. It's short.

Jesus Taught The Old Testament
Yes His teachings did happen while the old covenant was still in affect, but His teachings did not only apply to the old covenant.

His teachings were how we are to walk under the new covenant. Like I have taught, not all of the OT was done away with when the new covenant was put into affect.

Jesus Himself said He did not come to abolish it, but to fulfill it. To fulfill it was the teaching of walking in love, by walking in true love you fulfill all the law.
 
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For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. -Hebrews 9:16

WHEN DOES THE NEW TESTAMENT BEGIN?
It was not God who decided to call His plan for our salvation "New" and "Old", it was man's idea. God simply breathed scripture to man. At first it was memorized and repeated orally, and finally it was written down.

There are two ways that God communicates with man, one is by a testament of His principles, the other is through covenants God makes with man.
 

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Right after Jesus spoke these words the New Testament began...

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
(Joh 19:30)

accompanied by this event...

Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
(Mat 27:50-51)
 
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Yes His teachings did happen while the old covenant was still in affect, but His teachings did not only apply to the old covenant.

His teachings were how we are to walk under the new covenant. Like I have taught, not all of the OT was done away with when the new covenant was put into affect.

Jesus Himself said He did not come to abolish it, but to fulfill it. To fulfill it was the teaching of walking in love, by walking in true love you fulfill all the law.
Right. And the principles of love are defined in detail in Leviticus 19 and Deuteronomy 6 just for starters. Jesus doesn't refute them, but endorses them. Jesus came to rightly define the truth that the Pharisees had distorted, changing the original into their own liking. That's why they and Jesus were at conflict.
 
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Jesus Himself said He did not come to abolish it, but to fulfill it. To fulfill it was the teaching of walking in love, by walking in true love you fulfill all the law.
I totally agree, Thanks for posting this

I end by saying, Amen

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There are many ways of dividing scripture into periods of time. One way is to say that after the fall explained in Genesis, God wanted all to listen to him--all people. When they didn't, God created a new race to explain, beginning with Abraham and a new time began, with this race being sanctified, so there were Hebrews and those who, as a people, turned their backs on God, scripture called them the foreigners among you. When these people accepted the true God they were adopted into the Hebrew race, when the Hebrews turned from God they were treated as gentiles.

When the veil in the temple was split as it tells us in Mat 27:51-53 Suddenly, the curtain of the sanctuary was split in two from top to bottom; the earth quaked and the rocks were split. The tombs were also opened and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised. And they came out of the tombs after His resurrection, entered the holy city, and appeared to many.

Then the blood of Christ was made complete, atonement became salvation, and man became one race again. There was no more Jew and gentile, both became one race under Christ.

All the letters written in the Epistles are about breaking down this barrier, about man accepting the new way Christ acted in our world, in retraining man as being of one race. The race that had been segregated needed to learn to not see themselves as set aside for God as a race, but all men who loved the Lord as one under God, together.
 
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It was not God who decided to call His plan for our salvation "New" and "Old", it was man's idea. God simply breathed scripture to man. At first it was memorized and repeated orally, and finally it was written down.

There are two ways that God communicates with man, one is by a testament of His principles, the other is through covenants God makes with man.
Hebrews 8:10-13 (KJV) [SUP]10 [/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [SUP]11 [/SUP]And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. [SUP]13 [/SUP]In that he saith, A new covenant, He hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
 
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For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. -Hebrews 9:16

WHEN DOES THE NEW TESTAMENT BEGIN?
The new covenant is delivered as promise in Jeremiah.
It arrived at Christs birth. And it "began" in Acts 2 with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that came at Pentecost and began to create the body church, residing in all believers. Acts 1:5for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” and Acts 10:44-48
 
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Hebrews 8:10-13 (KJV) [SUP]10 [/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [SUP]11 [/SUP]And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. [SUP]13 [/SUP]In that he saith, A new covenant, He hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Next verse in chapter 9 continues verse 1 "Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary."

So the ordinances can also be Identified in Ephesians chapter 2. Verse 15 "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;"

It appears that the ordinances are temple/tabernacle ordinances of the duties of the priests. Jesus fulfilled those and at the time Hebrews was written the temple was in the process of waxing old. AD 70 the Romans demolished it.

Now in Ephesians 2:16 we can conclude that when the curtain was torn in two when Jesus died, the enmity, or devision was slain. "And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:"

So we conclude since man shall live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Hebrews 8:13 is defining what is physical such as the worldly sanctuary/tabernacle/temple made of stone as stated in Hebrews 9:1. This is also confirmed when reading the first 6 verse of Hebrews chapter 8.

The word "covenant" in Hebrews 8:13 is not in the original writing, it has been added in the KJV
 
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The new covenant is delivered as promise in Jeremiah.
It arrived at Christs birth. And it "began" in Acts 2 with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that came at Pentecost and began to create the body church, residing in all believers. Acts 1:5for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” and Acts 10:44-48
Yes, that promise arrived at the birth of Jesus, and all during the final stages of the Old Testament Jesus taught all that His Father told Him to do. Then the New Testament arrived at the cross and the promise was fulfilled and completed accordingly. Amen and thank God. As in all of God's covenants, the new covenant is confirmed with sacrifice and the shedding of blood.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
 
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[h=1]Indeed. Amen and thank God!

Isaiah 64:6All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.Indeed. Amen and thank God.
[/h][h=1]Titus 1:2in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

Yes, that promise arrived at the birth of Jesus, and all during the final stages of the Old Testament Jesus taught all that His Father told Him to do. Then the New Testament arrived at the cross and the promise was fulfilled and completed accordingly. Amen and thank God. As in all of God's covenants, the new covenant is confirmed with sacrifice and the shedding of blood.[/h]
Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
 
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Indeed. Amen and thank God!

Isaiah 64:6All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.Indeed. Amen and thank God.


[h=1]Titus 1:2in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,
OH WOW do I ever like that verse in Titus!!!! It proves that the plan of salvation was completely engineered and planned by God and Jesus His beloved Son before the world was created.
John 12:28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.

John17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was .
 
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For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. -Hebrews 9:16

WHEN DOES THE NEW TESTAMENT BEGIN?
Or in other words after you die. Have you crucified the flesh?
 
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Or in other words after you die. Have you crucified the flesh?
That isn't what that vese means. I'll quote more in that same chapter in context.

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator .
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth .

This scripture has everything to do with Jesus being the testator of the new testament. This is when the New Testament took effect.
It's the same thing with a last will and testament. The ones to inherit the estate are delivered their inheritance only after the owner of the estate is dead.
 
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My thoughts,

The NT began after Jesus rose from the dead. Before, He taught the people whom He healed to go and show them self to the priest and do according to their word. The ten lepers for example. After the Resurrection, there is no reference to the priest. Because now Jesus has become the priest according to the order of Melchizedek. The Aaron priest hood had been rejected the moment Caiaphas tore his robe. Stated in law that the high priest should not tear his robe and if he did God would remove the priesthood from them. So Caiaphas tore his robe and the quake tore the veil. this veil was like 8 foot thick and took two camels on each side to open it. Meaning that Jesus is now our high priest and king and prophet. The NT started when Jesus blood began to flow.

Now we do not have to kill animals nor are we bound by law nor are we bound by sin, if our faith is in the work of the cross and not our own works. If you want to have your work acknowledged then try Islam or Hindu. The only work that God will acknowledge is the the work of the cross and those who have faith in it.
 
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I wish you'd share your thoughts more often. There are those here who hope to refute Christ's teachings and his sacrifice by arguing that eternal salvation is a lie. And that we must work in order to keep our salvation because God is what amounts to an "Indian giver". And lied about eternal life.