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Are these OSAS threads like some sort of virus? Not only is the dead horse beaten, it has turned into a mass of unrecognizable, putrefying goo. And you all are going to wind up with skull fractures, you keep banging your head against that wall. Damage your frontal lobes, the bickering will only get more senseless!

Okay. Done with the futile messaging. Oh! Clean your foreheads with saline solution, and be sure to use sterile gauze.

By the way, you may have heard the one about the guy, beating himself over the head with a hammer? Somebody, alarmed, asked him, "Why are you doing that?!" He said, "Because it feels so good when I stop."
 
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In their article they quote Romans 7 as if Paul struggled with sin. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Actually, in Romans 7, Paul is referring to the experience of as an outward Jew trying to obey the Law before he was a Christian.

#1. Paul is repeating a point He made in chapter 5.
For there was no such thing as chapter breaks in the Bible. They were added later. Anyways, to understand chapter 7, you have to know what was going on in chapter 5.

In Romans chapter 5 we learn, "For by one man sin entered the world and by one man many shall be justified."

Now, under the Mosaic Law there was an accounting and those under that Law had to bring their sacrifices accordingly. Prior to the Mosaic law, the Patriarchs offered sacrifices to God, but not as a result of particular sins–not because God said to them if you do such and such sin then you have to offer such and such sacrifices. The sacrifices of the Patriarchs were offered based upon faith, not law. Which explains the context of Romans 5:13.

For sin was no doubt in the world prior to the law and so was transgression, hence there had to be some kind of law. For obviously Paul does not contradict himself here. He says that sin was not accounted until the law came. The point is that there was no law from God to this point that had been codified, that is, placed into written form. Before the Law of Moses, sin was not imputed because there was no written Law to transgress. Then how was sin imputed to those living before the written Law? Well, sin was imputed to those living before the Law because the "death of sin" was passed down to them thru Adam's disobedience (Romans 5:12, 14, 17, 18,19). Those living before the Law, were exclusively justified by faith and those who did not live by faith were condemned. In other words, the Old Testament saint living before the Law was justified by following Romans 8:1. Yes, they did not know who Christ was yet or this passage, but the Spirit of Christ was in fact within the prophets, though (1 Peter 1:10, 11).



This point of the Law in Romans 5 is made in Romans chapter 7. Compare Romans 7:8-10 with Romans 5:12-14 and Romans 5:20.

#2. This passage is an answer to the question “Did that which was good [the Law], then, become death to me?” (Romans 7:13) Paul is not primarily interested here in discussing anyone's struggle with sin. He is explaining how the Old Testament Law – good in itself – was used by sin to bring death to pre-Christians.

#3. Paul knows that Christians struggle with sin; after all, many of his letters are written to help churches deal with sin. But he discusses the Christian struggle with sin in the next chapter (Romans 8:10-14). His conclusions about the struggle there do not seem to me to be consistent if chapter 7 is also about the Christian struggle with sin.

#4. Paul’s only positive description of the “me” in this passage is elsewhere applied to Jews, not Christians. “I agree with the Law, that the Law is good” (Romans 7:16) and “I delight in the law of God in my inner man” (Romans 7:22). But this is more in line with Paul’s description of Jews: “If you call yourself a Jew and rely on the Law” (Romans 2:17). In Romans, Christians have “died to the Law” (Romans 7:4) and thus “delight in the Law” is not most naturally applied to Christians.

#5. Paul’s negative descriptions of the “me” in the passage are elsewhere applied to pre-Christians, not Christians.

“I am fleshly, sold into bondage to sin” (Romans 7:14). Compare to “we were in the flesh” (Romans 7:5); “we were freed from sin” (Romans 6:18); “we were slaves to sin” (Romans 6:20); and “you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit” (Romans 8:9).​
“But I see another law… making me a prisoner of the law of sin” (Romans 7:23). Compare to “but now, freed from sin and enslaved to God” (Romans 6:22); and “the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death” (Romans 8:2).​
If Paul says that Christian are no longer in the flesh and are no longer slaves or prisoners of sin, then it seems to make the most sense to say that he is talking about pre-Christian experience here in Romans 7:14-25.



Sources Used:
http://thegoodbookblog.com/2012/apr/...-i-take-the-p/
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...4&postcount=30
 
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In other words, Paul is recounting his experience as an outward Jew (Not an inward Jew) who obeyed the Law (so as to be saved) towards his old Jewish brothers. He tells them that the solution in keeping the Law or in struggling with sin is not of their own effort, but it is in Jesus Christ. For there is no Condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh (Romans 8:1). To learn more about the Condemnation, see John 3:19-21.
 
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Not interested. Teaching that a believer can get away with evil flies in the face of what it actually means to be good. When you watch a movie, or turn on the news, you know the good guys from the bad guys by what they do. There is no excuse for sin or rebellion against God. The Lord didn't tolerate Lucifer's rebellion. Why would he tolerate a believer's rebellion? In other words, you want me to believe that God's people can live out a hypocritical faith and still be saved. Sorry, that is not how it works. You can't be unfaithful to your spouse and expect them to want to be with you.
Christ didn't sacrifice Himself in order to save fallen angels. He did it for mankind, so the Lucifer reference is moot.
Our relationship with God through Christ is more of a child/parent relationship. Would you cast your own child out of your home if he did something wrong?
I ask this question with genuine curiosity. Do you think, since you got saved, that you walk perfectly and have never sinned since? If not, you must have lost your salvation.
 
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I personally am not a Christian or a member of any religion for that matter, however even I can see the inherent evil in this philosophy.
David J. Stewart
The Tower Of Babel Today

David John Stewart, 41, has been charged in the Superior Court of Guam with second-degree criminal sexual conduct as a first-degree felony. According to the magistrate's complaint, on or about the period of Jan. 1, 2006, through Dec. 31, 2006, Stewart allegedly engaged in sexual contact with a teenage girl known to him.
Local News | Pacific Daily News | guampdn.com

Source:- David J. Stewart Exposed!

Unconditional eternal security is a very soothing doctrine for those who want to believe they can sin and not surely die.
 
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Unconditional eternal security is a very soothing doctrine for those who want to believe they can sin and not surely die.
Sin does lead to death. Jesus Christ paid the price to atone for all sins, however. John 6:47 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."

John 10:28-29 - "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

Since I am a man, how can I pluck myself out of God's hand?
 
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David J. Stewart
The Tower Of Babel Today


Local News | Pacific Daily News | guampdn.com

Source:- David J. Stewart Exposed!

Unconditional eternal security is a very soothing doctrine for those who want to believe they can sin and not surely die.
Tragically those that believe that are not saved else they'd know better.

For instance they'd know that bearing false witness is a sin.
Below is the actual website at Jesus is savior.
The Tower Of Babel TodayAnd first off on this page we read: I am a grateful born-again Christian!

I guess the liar that created the false slanderous screen capture here http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-52NxXJu4-...avid-j-stewart-says-he-is-not-a-christian.jpg) Posted by Skinski, who evidently didn't think anyone would copy the URL in the browser window depicted and look for themselves.
I'd imagine this is something the owner of Jesus Is Savior could pursue legally given it is defamation.

No wonder people who promote false witness about Christians deny eternal salvation is real.



 
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As a matter of P.S.

The allegation in Skinski's defaming post and as relate to one David John Stewart of Guam is irrelevant. One does not know if this is the same David J. Stewart of the Christan website shared in the correct link I posted. Given the blogspot falsehood, defamation, has been proven a lie, all other claims related to a David J. Stewart of Jesus Is Savior.com , are not credible when there is no evidence the Guam case pertains to David J.Stewart of Jesus-Is-Savior.com.
That a lie has already been fabricated on a false webpage in order to discredit him, that effort makes any other claims to come into question as to credibility.

And the "exposed" inflammatory headline link is a matter of a Trademark dispute. And given it is 8/30/2014 and that "dispute" is showing UPDATE 8-22-13, the issue is no longer relevant.
Clearly Jesus-Is-Savior.com is resolved. That's why the site is up and running over a year later. :)


Please do not do this again. It did nothing to dismiss the article posted to Mr.Stewarts credit. But it did everything to identify the tactics false teachers will employ in order to assault Christians and the word of God.

May God come into your heart.

I've contacted Jesus-Is-Savior and reported http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-52NxXJu4-...avid-j-stewart-says-he-is-not-a-christian.jpg

Hopefully we'll see a lawsuit making headlines in future.
 
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Now, do not misunderstand me, believers cannot lose their salvation (like when a person accidentally loses their car keys), but they can forfeit their salvation (i.e. they can willingly throw it away by rebelling against God). In fact,

Here is a list of believers who have forfeited their salvation:














And here is a list of potential fallen believers:



  • Recent Convert Who is a Potential Spiritual Leader (1 Timothy 3:6)





  • Believers Whose Seed Fell Upon the Rocks (Luke 8:13)



  • The Potential Fellow Believer Who Erred From the Truth & Was Converted Back
    (James 5:19, 20)

For Jesus is the Light and we are to shine the Light of Christ within our lives. For there are those who think they can serve Jesus and also live for oneself, sin, and evil; But this is wrong, though. "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God" (John 3:20-21).
Please give me only one or two of your best passages and I'd advise not to rely on the parables. I don't answer when there is a sleugh 'cause my time is limited.
 
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Christ didn't sacrifice Himself in order to save fallen angels. He did it for mankind, so the Lucifer reference is moot.
Do you honestly believe that God would treat someone differently because they are of a differnt type of creature than humans?

The reason why Lucifer and his angels did not get a chance at salvation was because they could see God in all his glory any time they wanted. They lived in His kingdom. Knew all about God; And they were rejecting God with eyes wide open.

Man was under faith and had to put their trust in God.

Angels did not have faith because they were in the spirit realm and could see God any time.

Our relationship with God through Christ is more of a child/parent relationship.
And you think God does not care and love angels in the same way? Why would his love be different?

Honestly, what parent would love their child if they just killed their entire family and was set out to kill them next? What parent would love their child if they just killed the majority of the entire world? Sin is sin. If you do evil in your family it can permantly destroy a family. Families are not invincible or immune to evil. And God would not condone one of his children in doing evil against Him and or other people with no remorse. A one time prayer of accepting Jesus doesn't mean anything to them anymore if they do evil in His name. To suggest otherwise is to recognize that there is no real standard of good in this world and that a family is above right and wrong. Nobody is above the goodness that God creates for man. For if you believe otherwise, then what is the purpose of even repenting of your sins? What exactly are you sorry for if you are going to just go out an do it all over again and feel you do not have to change? Is that is what is taught in the New Testament by Jesus and the apostles? Please show me what verse teaches that you can live a sin and still be saved life style? Do you believe there is such a thing as right and wrong?

Would you cast your own child out of your home if he did something wrong?
If you child just killed one of your family members in your home I doubt you would feel safe to still have them there. Especially if they were to give you a reason that they were going to keep killing again.

I ask this question with genuine curiosity. Do you think, since you got saved, that you walk perfectly and have never sinned since? If not, you must have lost your salvation.
Salvation is not in doing evil in His name with no remorse as you believe on Him as your Savior. It is in being humble before God and confessing your faults or sins to Him. One is staying down in the mud of their sin and the other is in getting clean by God (by repentance) every time you do happen to fall in the mud on occasion so that you can walk uprightly with the Lord. For to stay down in the mud of sin is to be no different than an unbeliever. You can say Lord, Lord, but your heart will be far from Him. For Jesus would say, why do you call me Lord if you do not do what I say? The entire Bible is full of warnings against sinning for the believer. Paul says, shall we continue in sin because we are not under the Law (i.e. the Law of Moses)? Paul answer is God forbid. Meaning you can't sin. For he says that they which do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.
 
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As a matter of P.S.

The allegation in Skinski's defaming post and as relate to one David John Stewart of Guam is irrelevant. One does not know if this is the same David J. Stewart of the Christan website shared in the correct link I posted. Given the blogspot falsehood, defamation, has been proven a lie, all other claims related to a David J. Stewart of Jesus Is Savior.com , are not credible when there is no evidence the Guam case pertains to David J.Stewart of Jesus-Is-Savior.com.
That a lie has already been fabricated on a false webpage in order to discredit him, that effort makes any other claims to come into question as to credibility.

And the "exposed" inflammatory headline link is a matter of a Trademark dispute. And given it is 8/30/2014 and that "dispute" is showing UPDATE 8-22-13, the issue is no longer relevant.
Clearly Jesus-Is-Savior.com is resolved. That's why the site is up and running over a year later.


Please do not do this again. It did nothing to dismiss the article posted to Mr.Stewarts credit. But it did everything to identify the tactics false teachers will employ in order to assault Christians and the word of God.

May God come into your heart.

I've contacted Jesus-Is-Savior and reported http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-52NxXJu4-...avid-j-stewart-says-he-is-not-a-christian.jpg

Hopefully we'll see a lawsuit making headlines in future.
David John Stewart is also into Necromancy (or praying to the dead). He seems to think it is okay to pray to dead loved ones and that Catholics are wrong just because they are praying for Mary to intercede for them.

One Mediator! -by David J. Stewart

Sorry. Praying to the dead is wrong for any reason.
 
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[h=1]Once saved always saved?[/h]
Question: "Once saved always saved?"

Answer:
Once a person is saved are they always saved? When people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their salvation as eternally secure. Numerous passages of Scripture declare this fact.

(a) Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed - he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.

(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died more than that, who was raised to life - is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God's elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns. We have both the advocate and judge as our Savior.

(c) Believers are born again (regenerated) when they believe (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). For a Christian to lose his salvation, he would have to be un-regenerated. The Bible gives no evidence that the new birth can be taken away.

(d) The Holy Spirit indwells all believers (John 14:17; Romans 8:9) and baptizes all believers into the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be "un-indwelt" and detached from the Body of Christ.

(e) John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all. Hence if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.

(f) For the most conclusive argument, Scripture says it best itself, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38-39). Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you. Once we are saved we are always saved. Our salvation is most definitely eternally secure!

Recommended Resources: Eternal Security by Charles Stanley and Logos Bible Software.

 
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Sin does lead to death. Jesus Christ paid the price to atone for all sins, however. John 6:47 - "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."
When you read John chapter 6, you also have to read about how He said we must drink his blood and eat of his flesh.

Drinking his blood would involve having faith in His blood (Romans 3:25) and eating His flesh is doing God's will (John 4:34).
For if we walk in the Light as He is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

And everlasting life is in a person named Jesus Christ.

For He that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12).

For God alone possesses immortality (1 Timothy 6:16).

John 10:28-29 - "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

Since I am a man, how can I pluck myself out of God's hand?
I am sure there is a reason why you didn't quote the verses right before it. Verse 27 says that the sheep know Him and FOLLOW Him. This is the context of the sheep that will never perish. It's not talking about rebellious sheep.
 
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Do you honestly believe that God would treat someone differently because they are of a differnt type of creature than humans?

The reason why Lucifer and his angels did not get a chance at salvation was because they could see God in all his glory any time they wanted. They lived in His kingdom. Knew all about God; And they were rejecting God with eyes wide open.

Man was under faith and had to put their trust in God.

Angels did not have faith because they were in the spirit realm and could see God any time.



And you think God does not care and love angels in the same way? Why would his love be different?

Honestly, what parent would love their child if they just killed their entire family and was set out to kill them next? What parent would love their child if they just killed the majority of the entire world? Sin is sin. If you do evil in your family it can permantly destroy a family. Families are not invincible or immune to evil. And God would not condone one of his children in doing evil against Him and or other people with no remorse. A one time prayer of accepting Jesus doesn't mean anything to them anymore if they do evil in His name. To suggest otherwise is to recognize that there is no real standard of good in this world and that a family is above right and wrong. Nobody is above the goodness that God creates for man. For if you believe otherwise, then what is the purpose of even repenting of your sins? What exactly are you sorry for if you are going to just go out an do it all over again and feel you do not have to change? Is that is what is taught in the New Testament by Jesus and the apostles? Please show me what verse teaches that you can live a sin and still be saved life style? Do you believe there is such a thing as right and wrong?



If you child just killed one of your family members in your home I doubt you would feel safe to still have them there. Especially if they were to give you a reason that they were going to keep killing again.



Salvation is not in doing evil in His name with no remorse as you believe on Him as your Savior. It is in being humble before God and confessing your faults or sins to Him. One is staying down in the mud of their sin and the other is in getting clean by God (by repentance) every time you do happen to fall in the mud on occasion so that you can walk uprightly with the Lord. For to stay down in the mud of sin is to be no different than an unbeliever. You can say Lord, Lord, but your heart will be far from Him. For Jesus would say, why do you call me Lord if you do not do what I say? The entire Bible is full of warnings against sinning for the believer. Paul says, shall we continue in sin because we are not under the Law (i.e. the Law of Moses)? Paul answer is God forbid. Meaning you can't sin. For he says that they which do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Ask God these questions. He came in the form of a man, not of an angel. He died for mankind, not for Lucifer and his cohorts. Take it up with Him.

For some reason, you then go on and on at length about killing people. The idea that I'm somehow going to kill God is ludicrous. The idea that, because I've fallen into a sin, God views me as a threat and will toss me out is even worse.

You sort of tiptoed around my question, "Do you think, since you got saved, that you walk perfectly and have never sinned since? If not, you must have lost your salvation." You apparently think you're sinless since salvation. Pride is a sin, you know.
Speaking to the church at Corinth, Paul tells us how they had fallen into sin.
1 Corinthians 5:1-5
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

If we continue to dwell in sin, God's longsuffering will eventually run out and He will destroy our flesh. Our spirits remain saved.
 
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I am sure there is a reason why you didn't quote the verses right before it. Verse 27 says that the sheep know Him and FOLLOW Him. This is the context of the sheep that will never perish. It's not talking about rebellious sheep.
Oh, naturally. I didn't quote the preceding verses because I had a sinister agenda. You got me!

The sheep hearing Christ's voice are those who hearken to his call to salvation.

The bottom line here is that you're saying salvation is partly by works. You believe I must call upon the name of the Lord to be saved, but then I must earn my salvation from that moment forward.
 
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Ask God these questions. He came in the form of a man, not of an angel. He died for mankind, not for Lucifer and his cohorts. Take it up with Him.

For some reason, you then go on and on at length about killing people. The idea that I'm somehow going to kill God is ludicrous. The idea that, because I've fallen into a sin, God views me as a threat and will toss me out is even worse.

You sort of tiptoed around my question, "Do you think, since you got saved, that you walk perfectly and have never sinned since? If not, you must have lost your salvation." You apparently think you're sinless since salvation. Pride is a sin, you know.
Speaking to the church at Corinth, Paul tells us how they had fallen into sin.
1 Corinthians 5:1-5
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

If we continue to dwell in sin, God's longsuffering will eventually run out and He will destroy our flesh. Our spirits remain saved.
Your argument is actually Repentance vs. OSAS. You don't believe in the Biblcial doctrine of repentance as taught in the Scriptures. The Scriptures say that if I confess my sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). All unrighteousness is sin (1 John 5:17). In fact, Christ teaches that repentance is turning from one's evil ways. How so? Well, lets look at two related verses.

The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here. (Matthew 12:41)


When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction he had threatened. (Jonah 3:10)



Did you catch that? Jesus is saying repentance is turning from one's evil ways. Do OSAS proponents believe that? No.
 
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To biscuit post 33. I need to deed will a big error in "Charles Stanley's teaching that you have presented. He believes in Decisional Regeneration which is wrong. We are not born again when we receive Jesus as our Savior. We are born again when we are born, made alive spiritually by God's Power and love alone. Rom.6:22 and Eph.2:4 etc. etc.. We know we are born again when we Repent of our sins, Trust in Jesus alone for our salvation and obey Jesus as our Lord and Savior. We must never make a human "ritual" to take center stage and rob God of His glory as the giver of spiritual life. We must tell the sinner to call upon the Lord and ask for the creation of the new Spiritual nature to be given to us. as Peter tells us to do . More later, Love Hoffco
 
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Oh, naturally. I didn't quote the preceding verses because I had a sinister agenda. You got me!
The evil agenda for the OSAS proponent to not quote verses that would disprove their position is because they desire to sin (do evil) and be saved. The true believer of God desires not to sin and or do evil and strives to put all sin out of their life by the power of Jesus Christ.

The sheep hearing Christ's voice are those who hearken to his call to salvation.
Christ in no way says this FOLLOWING is temporary or one time. You have to remember who Jesus is speaking to. He is speaking to those who were not following Him. In fact, when Jesus said to his many disciples that they must drink of his blood and eat of his flesh, they stopped following Him. This mean, they willingly turned away from Jesus. You can't be saved and reject Christ and or His teachings.

The bottom line here is that you're saying salvation is partly by works. You believe I must call upon the name of the Lord to be saved, but then I must earn my salvation from that moment forward.
Repentance is not a work. It takes no real effort to throw yourself upon the mercy of God. Once you are born again spiritually, you will then not want to sin or rebel against God or do evil. So true repentance will be worked out in your life. Turning from evil will be natural because you do not want to hurt God but only love Him. A changed heart will help in that.
 
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Your argument is actually Repentance vs. OSAS. You don't believe in the Biblcial doctrine repentance as taught in the Scriptures. The Scriptures say that if I confess my sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). All unrighteousness is sin (1 John 5:17). In fact, Christ teaches that repentance is turning from one's evil ways. How so? Well, lets look at two related verses.

The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here. (Matthew 12:41)


When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction he had threatened. (Jonah 3:10)



Did you catch that? Jesus is saying what that repentance turning from one's evil ways. Do OSAS proponents believe that? No.
Repentance is not turning from evil ways. Repentance in the original text is metanoia: change of mind. Repentance means, essentially, that you agree with God about your sinful state and need for Jesus Christ's atonement on the cross. You've changed your mind about it. On a side note here, do you believe God "turned from His evil ways" when it repented Him that He had made man (Gen. 6:6)?

God's plan is that, after changing our minds about Him and receiving His free gift of salvation, He will work through us as we allow Him to transform us and defeat our sinful tendencies. Turning away from sin is impossible for an unsaved man, therefore how can one do it as a prerequisite to salvation? Turning away from sin is also a work, so we're back to salvation by works again.
Tell me this. How is it that Lot, who lived and was part of everyday life in Sodom and who offered up his own daughters to the mob surrounding his house, was still referred to as righteous by God?