Who is the true ruler of this world

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pug32

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[SUP][SUP]Mat. 4:8 [/SUP]Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

[/SUP][SUP]John 8:20 [/SUP]These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
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John 16:11 [/SUP]Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

[SUP]Heb. 11:3 [/SUP]Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

[SUP]1 John 2:15 [/SUP]Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
 

blue_ladybug

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The ultimate ruler of the world is God. He has absolute power over us. However, the devil is allowed to run around creating havoc in the world, and in ourselves. He THINKS this world is his playground, but he's about to find out otherwise!! LOL. :)
 

posthuman

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Blessed be the name of God forever and ever,
to whom belong wisdom and might.
He changes times and seasons;
he removes kings and sets up kings;
he gives wisdom to the wise
and knowledge to those who have understanding;
he reveals deep and hidden things;
he knows what is in the darkness,
and the light dwells with him.

(Daniel 2:20-22)
 

prove-all

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the bible says that the devil is the god of this current decieved evil world.

if God is in a battle now to save everyone, look around you ,

and it only waxes more worse by the day.


why did Jesus talk in parables, and hide the meaning to people,


Jesus is the first fruits, what about people before the cross.


why did God sent a strong delusion and make some believe a lie.

does not the bible say only those he calls now can come to Christ.

he said it was not for them to know the kingdom of God.
 

jb

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Who is the true ruler of this world
Dan 4v17 [AMP]: "This sentence is by the decree of the [heavenly] watchers and the decision is by the word of the holy ones, to the intent that the living may know that the Most High [God] rules the kingdom of mankind and gives it to whomever He will and sets over it the humblest and lowliest of men."

Simples!

Yahweh Shalom
 

crossnote

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Can the clay pot or the potter's wheel rule over the Potter?
Can the creation rule the Creator?
 
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In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them that believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Cor. 4:4

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. John 12:31

Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. John 14:30

Key word - world . . . . I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. John 17:14

If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. John 15:19

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Romans 12:2

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 1 Cor. 2:12
 
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JesusIsAll

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The TRUE ruler is God, the Lord Jesus. Satan and all evil by the creature only exist by the permissive will of God, the Creator. God could crush Satan, anybody or anything, and, in the end, this is exactly what the Lord will do.

Satan has no dominion God has not allowed, so, though Satan is the god of the evil world system he has enslaved men willing to be blind and sinful over, for temporal gain, that he has temporary use of the bounty of the world, wicked rulers of nations as sock puppets, this is not even real power, when the truth is it's more a matter of like a mother telling a wicked child, "Wait until your father gets home!"

Satan doesn't wear the pants in the created family, which includes him, Satan also just a creature. Read Revelation, if you wonder who the Boss is, who can, merely by His mouth, His word, destroy all the armies of the world. That's a true Ruler. That's real power, not some worker of wickedness who has to depend on deceiving and ensnaring to even accomplish anything.
 
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JesusIsAll

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Or put it this way. Nobody is the true ruler, who has to have Somebody else's permission to even exist as a going concern.
 
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The TRUE ruler is God, the Lord Jesus. Satan and all evil by the creature only exist by the permissive will of God, the Creator. God could crush Satan, anybody or anything, and, in the end, this is exactly what the Lord will do.

Satan has no dominion God has not allowed, so, though Satan is the god of the evil world system he has enslaved men willing to be blind and sinful over, for temporal gain, that he has temporary use of the bounty of the world, wicked rulers of nations as sock puppets, this is not even real power, when the truth is it's more a matter of like a mother telling a wicked child, "Wait until your father gets home!"

Satan doesn't wear the pants in the created family, which includes him, Satan also just a creature. Read Revelation, if you wonder who the Boss is, who can, merely by His mouth, His word, destroy all the armies of the world. That's a true Ruler. That's real power, not some worker of wickedness who has to depend on deceiving and ensnaring to even accomplish anything.
Until then Satan is the god of this world and, YES, a time is coming when he will be destroyed but until then - Be sober, be vigilent; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour. [1 Peter 5:8] So we are to "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil, For [because] we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places". [Eph. 6:11,12]
 
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Daniel got to see Nebuchachnezzar given temporary rule, we got to see Hitler given temporary rule. Our Bible study class did a study on the steps Hitler took to take over Germany rule from the Lord and we compared them to the steps that are taken in America and some other countries to take control from the Lord and put it in the state.

I have taken a class on archeology in the Holy Land. The class focused on the way the Lord is opening up knowledge of ancient culture as a backdrop of scripture from ancient times that had been lost over time. Fascinating! The class was divided, really, between those taking it to see and understand other cultures such as the Egyptian background, so through our understanding of them we could work for acceptance and peace between nations. Christians in the class focused on how the one true God has always been supreme, and how archeology helped them understand the one true God. Same class, different viewpoints.

Even when we just watch the world, there is no doubt that it upholds scripture, that scripture is correct and God is in control, that God will win in the end.
 
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wgeurts

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The Devil influences it, God rules, as he does over all.
 
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phil112

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But satan needed the LORD'S permission to even lay a finger on Job.
No argument from me, but what does that have to do with the question? Christ's kingdom is spiritual.
 
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God has complete control over EVERYTHING. He gave dominion over the world to man - man lost that and the dominion of the world is Satan's domain even if only temporary.

The devil tempted Jesus with all the kingdoms of the world - All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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the bible is clear that God rules the world...which is why a lot of the 'satan is in control' rhetoric i hear coming from certain paranoia drive eschatologies is borderline blasphemy...

about the temptation of jesus where satan offers him all the kingdoms in the world...it is interesting to note that at no point in the story does anyone but satan ever imply that those kingdoms were even his to give away in the first place...
 
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JesusIsAll

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No argument from me, but what does that have to do with the question? Christ's kingdom is spiritual.
Christ's kingdom, with respect to believers, is spiritual, but you can't divorce the physical world from God's true rule, either. He is working His plan with respect to where He's headed with this world, Israel is a nation again, the gospel is going out, much, much is happening, even in this world, of the rule of God. Satan, were he to have it his way, would not have allowed so much, right here in this world, including your own life continuing! But Satan has a leash on him, put there by God. You can't argue that somebody on God's leash is a true ruler. God's true rule is present now, and it is simply that He has not yet brought all things to submission, but nothing that He couldn't subdue in a heartbeat.
 
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JesusIsAll

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the bible is clear that God rules the world...which is why a lot of the 'satan is in control' rhetoric i hear coming from certain paranoia drive eschatologies is borderline blasphemy...
No kidding. How many articles have you seen, like they chipped a cow: it's the mark of beast they're going to put on you next week. Some secret, Satanic society getting ready to enslave everybody. The conspirators are about to pounce. Utter rubbish.

It is the Lord who opens the seals of Revelation. It's the Lord who hinders evil, until its time has come to be unleashed in the tribulation period. Satan has, from the beginning, wished to enslave the world. He has had his evil rulers and followers in every generation, who would make ideal Antichrists. But Satan can't do squat, as far as eschatology is concerned, until the Lord allows, in His time, the Bible clear on this. People ask if the Antichrist is alive now. Well, I don't think even Satan knows that, only sure he's got some prime sock puppets in this world, as always, since not even the Son knew the day and the hour when our Lord Jesus was on earth. Satan knows more?

Only God is in complete control. People or devil making RFID chips or scheming to suck up all the money, whatever, are impotent to actually bring in the fulfillment of end times prophecies. The entire premise of the mountain of bogus eschatology out there is faulty, faulty at square one to even imply anybody evil on earth or in the sky has the power pounce when their conspiracy is ready. The evil are rabid dogs, rabid dogs of the generations, on leashes, until God unleashes them.