Who told you the Bible was God's word ?

[Kerry]

Look God used men to create the bible as we know it and men are fallible. There are many books that did not make the bible. Why? because the Holy Spirit did not want them and He moved in the heart of men to create the king James. Since then the only motive to create another bible such as the NIV is clearly monetary.

I meant God did move on the heart of a king and the devil did not fight against the NiV. People died and were tried and hung or imprisoned for the KJV. That cannot be said of any other version.

 

[Flamingspirit]

Look God used men to create the bible as we know it and men are fallible. There are many books that did not make the bible. Why? because the Holy Spirit did not want them and He moved in the heart of men to create the king James. Since then the only motive to create another bible such as the NIV is clearly monetary.

Then by definition on both counts; men moved by the Holy Spirit and making the book for monetary reasons should work both ways.

This is an honest question asked by the OP. Honesty alone can provide the answer.

 

[IAm3rd]

Look God used men to create the bible as we know it and men are fallible. There are many books that did not make the bible. Why? because the Holy Spirit did not want them and He moved in the heart of men to create the king James. Since then the only motive to create another bible such as the NIV is clearly monetary.

I meant God did move on the heart of a king and the devil did not fight against the NiV. People died and were tried and hung or imprisoned for the KJV. That cannot be said of any other version.

You say God moved these peoplle to choose the right books... "and since then the only motive to create another bible such as the NIV is clearly monetary." As if the KJV was what we are talking about ????
You do realize that when men decided which books to canonize it was the 4th century... not the 17th century, right ?

And you also realize that the original 1611 version of the KJV had 7 more books than the modern KJV right ?

 

[Jason0047]

You say God moved these peoplle to choose the right books... "and since then the only motive to create another bible such as the NIV is clearly monetary." As if the KJV was what we are talking about ????
You do realize that when men decided which books to canonize it was the 4th century... not the 17th century, right ?

And you also realize that the original 1611 version of the KJV had 7 more books than the modern KJV right ?

As I said before. We have study Bibles today with all kinds of added information. Christians know this added info is not inspired. It's the same with the Apocrypha. In other words, nothing has changed. You are not trying to find reasons to believe in the bible, but you are trying to find reasons to not believe in it.

 

[Jason0047]

As I said before. We have study Bibles today with all kinds of added information. Christians know this added info is not inspired. It's the same with the Apocrypha. In other words, nothing has changed. You are not trying to find reasons to believe in the bible, but you are trying to find reasons to not believe in it.

In other words, you are not being objective and looking at all the evidence. For example, imagine a table top as your belief in thinking there is no real Word of God. You are going to add legs or reasons (even if they are not true) to support your table top belief. This is called faith.

 

[Jason0047]

To put it to another way. Unless you have a time machine, there is no way of you knowing if any man made historical documents are 100% true unless you were there to observe it directly yourself. People could have written a false version of history down and you be none the wiser. The only authority you can trust is God's Word. For God will reveal truth to you in time after you trust in Him and His Word. Man cannot offer that kind of promise or guarantee. But either way you slice it, you are going to have to have faith or belief.

 

[Elin]

There was a lot of stuff you could take away, but nothing that wasn't already there in the Bible, and the Bible less verbose. I also recall some signs of commentary going on, as if some tribal elder giving a speech, waxing eloquent, again, not the same linguistic precision and absence of human rhetorical styles which mark the Bible. It's like, there are people running off at the mouth,
then there's the way God speaks.

Yes, that is the thing that was so remarkable to me.

That's why the apocrypha had no hooks for my eyes (if anyone knows what hooks and eyes are).
It was not "the way God speaks."
And my spirit craved "the way God speaks."

 

[Elin]

No, its not a game of "gotcha"...
Jason said the Bible wasnt perfected until 1769, so I expect him to answer the question. However, you may answer if you want. But you didn't... you asked another question.

Okay. . .I am not familiar with such dates.

 

[Kaycie]

No one told me, I came to that conclusion by studying, by evidences, and by faith. God always leaves room for faith- because without faith it's impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6). I took a class on how we physically got the bible. Yes there were other writings, the bible itself even says so. But these books were always found- some bits together, and some whole. There were way more bibles found than any other writings.

As for why I believe this collection of books (the bible) is God's word, is because of miracles. Such a great cloud of witnesses testify to these things as far back as time goes. Aside from that, they knew things in the bible long before scientists discovered them. For example, in Job 26:7, he knew the earth was a sphere and hangs upon nothing, yet even up to Columbus' day people thought the world was flat and that if you sailed to far you'd fall off of it. Yet long before man went to the moon and looked down, Godly men already knew because God spoke to them.

Jesus quoted from every book of the old testament except for Song of Solomon- which was always found among the other books. This testifies or verifies that Jesus believes these books to be God's word. There is no other book like it- it is perfect, without flaw, and always right. 66 Different books. Different authors who wrote down the words of God. Different backgrounds. Different time periods- yet it all comes together in such perfect unison that it takes bible scholars years to study it and still not know it all. When is the last time you found such a number of men to agree on one thing and have it come out flawless?

Faith is definitely an ingredient. But I am so confident that I would bet my life on it- as did so many people throughout history- more than any other subject. How's that for a witness? (Hebrews 12:1).

 

[IAm3rd]

As I said before. We have study Bibles today with all kinds of added information. Christians know this added info is not inspired. It's the same with the Apocrypha. In other words, nothing has changed. You are not trying to find reasons to believe in the bible, but you are trying to find reasons to not believe in it.

What in the world would lead you to believe that I don't believe in the Bible ? I am a Christian... and I believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God.
Just because I ask questions to see why OTHERS believe it is doesn't mean that I don't.

 

[didymos]

And I'm still waiting on Jason to answer the question. If the bible is the final authority, yet wasn't perfected until 1769' what was the authority before 1769 ?

Wild guess... it probably was IAM3rd... am I right? Am I right?

 

[Berean]

Under the name of Holy Scripture, or the Word of God written, are now contained all the books of the Old and New Testament, which are these: Of the Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, I Samuel, II Samuel, I Kings, II Kings, I Chronicles, II Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, The Song of Songs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi. Of the New Testament: The Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, The Acts of the Apostles, Paul's Epistles to the Romans, Corinthians I, Corinthians II, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Thessalonians I , Thessalonians II , To Timothy I , To Timothy II, To Titus, To Philemon, The Epistle to the Hebrews, The Epistle of James, The first and second Epistles of Peter, The first, second, and third Epistles of John, The Epistle of Jude, The Revelation of John. All which are given by inspiration of God to be the rule of faith and life.

 

[JaumeJ]

The Almighty God, our Father who believe Him, is just That, All Capable.

He made all that is and us to be given charge of all of our environment, and all creatures it contains.

Our Father is perfectly capable of allowing the written Word to be preserved as fitting His perfect will until Jesus Christ returns, and all myssteries will be revealed.

Man cannot disturb in any manner the Word of God, that is to say, the Bible. I believe God, not the powers of others to do anything to impede His perfection, and His will.

The question in the OP functions among non-believers for debate, but it will not fly with those who know Jesus Christ.

Worship God, know Him in Jesus Christ, and believe Him. Do not allow scoffers to plant seeds of doubt which are not seeds of the Sower.

 

[Jason0047]

What in the world would lead you to believe that I don't believe in the Bible ? I am a Christian... and I believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God.
Just because I ask questions to see why OTHERS believe it is doesn't mean that I don't.

Please do not take offense, but it was these two questions:

So, who told you the Bible was God's word ? And why did you believe it ?

I would never ask these questions without making it clear I was Christian. For without letting anyone know that, it makes it sound like you are in doubt or disbelief of God's Word.

Also, unless you are a new believer, a true Christian will know that the RCC (Roman Catholic Church) is false. The Apocrypha is used by them, so it then becomes a logical conclusion that it is corrupt, too.

 

[JaumeJ]

Anyone reading this reply above and below, please do take note of it, but realize now I was answering to another subject. I pray the author of the OP forgive my divergence.

The Almighty God, our Father who believe Him, is just That, All Capable.

He made all that is and us to be given charge of all of our environment, and all creatures it contains.

Our Father is perfectly capable of allowing the written Word to be preserved as fitting His perfect will until Jesus Christ returns, and all myssteries will be revealed.

Man cannot disturb in any manner the Word of God, that is to say, the Bible. I believe God, not the powers of others to do anything to impede His perfection, and His will.

The question in the OP functions among non-believers for debate, but it will not fly with those who know Jesus Christ.

Worship God, know Him in Jesus Christ, and believe Him. Do not allow scoffers to plant seeds of doubt which are not seeds of the Sower.

 

[Elin]

What in the world would lead you to believe that I don't believe in the Bible ?
I am a Christian... and I believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God.
Just because I ask questions to see why OTHERS believe it is doesn't mean that I don't.

Perhaps you should have opened with that statement.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Yes, that is the thing that was so remarkable to me. That's why the apocrypha had no hooks for my eyes (if anyone knows what hooks and eyes are). It was not "the way God speaks." And my spirit craved "the way God speaks."

Elegantly put, about sums it up. Give that the 'ol double Amen!

 

[IAm3rd]

Perhaps you should have opened with that statement.

why ? What does my beliefs have to do with your answer to the question ?

 

[Elin]

why ? What does my beliefs have to do with your answer to the question ?

It informs that you are not a hostile questioner when you challenge faith in the Scriptures.

 

[IAm3rd]

a true Christian will know that the RCC (Roman Catholic Church) is false. The Apocrypha is used by them, so it then becomes a logical conclusion that it is corrupt, too.

Wow... I literally laughed out loud at this.

So since they use it, it is a logical conclusion that it is false ??? So, then it follows that since they use the New Testament then it is "false" as well ? As well as the belief in the Trinity, that Jesus is the Christ, etc etc etc ???

The "logic" of your "logical conclusion" is a bit lacking imo...

And may I ask sir, what IS a true Christian ?