SANCTIFICATION - What does it mean & How is it accomplished?
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P
isn't sanctification what happens organically after we have been placed in Christ?
we don't have to stand in front of an apple tree and order it to grow apples...
it happens naturally because the root of that tree is an apple tree.
we must take care not to shift our focus from 'done' (it is finished!) to 'do'.
God has set us apart for His good purposes, and He will accomplish everything concerning us.
we don't have to stand in front of an apple tree and order it to grow apples...
it happens naturally because the root of that tree is an apple tree.
we must take care not to shift our focus from 'done' (it is finished!) to 'do'.
God has set us apart for His good purposes, and He will accomplish everything concerning us.
isn't sanctification what happens organically after we have been placed in Christ?
we don't have to stand in front of an apple tree and order it to grow apples...
it happens naturally because the root of that tree is an apple tree.
we must take care not to shift our focus from 'done' (it is finished!) to 'do'.
God has set us apart for His good purposes, and He will accomplish everything concerning us.
we don't have to stand in front of an apple tree and order it to grow apples...
it happens naturally because the root of that tree is an apple tree.
we must take care not to shift our focus from 'done' (it is finished!) to 'do'.
God has set us apart for His good purposes, and He will accomplish everything concerning us.
P
well...we actually don't have to do anything to be sanctified (set apart for God's use).
God in Christ has already done it.
not to speak against obedience and going to a good church and reading and studying God's Word!
we're told to do those things.
but when we believe those things are what either get us into the Kingdom of God,
OR keep us in that Kingdom, we are failing to believe the Gospel.
it's not about us and what we do...it's about Christ and what He has done.
argh, you're right, this would be so much easier if we were having a face to face conversation. lol
God in Christ has already done it.
not to speak against obedience and going to a good church and reading and studying God's Word!
we're told to do those things.
but when we believe those things are what either get us into the Kingdom of God,
OR keep us in that Kingdom, we are failing to believe the Gospel.
it's not about us and what we do...it's about Christ and what He has done.
argh, you're right, this would be so much easier if we were having a face to face conversation. lol
When scripture gives us one truth, it means that is a truth and we should listen. However, our fleshly minds often take in only one truth of a situation at a time so we don't see the layers of meaning or the depth of spirit of the Godly mind.
It is a truth that Abel had faith in what the Lord told him, and it was true that his sacrifice was accepted because of that faith. Another truth is that we are only saved through the blood of Christ. Abel did not know about Christ that the blood symbolized, but both Cain and Abel knew that God told them to use blood in a sacrifice. Abel had such faith in the Lord that he obeyed. Cain decided that being his work was with plants, not animals, his reason that his plants were just as good as Abel's animals would work. Cain's faith was in his own reason, Abel's faith was in God's words.
It is a truth that Abel had faith in what the Lord told him, and it was true that his sacrifice was accepted because of that faith. Another truth is that we are only saved through the blood of Christ. Abel did not know about Christ that the blood symbolized, but both Cain and Abel knew that God told them to use blood in a sacrifice. Abel had such faith in the Lord that he obeyed. Cain decided that being his work was with plants, not animals, his reason that his plants were just as good as Abel's animals would work. Cain's faith was in his own reason, Abel's faith was in God's words.
That is why I cringe every time a TV preacher says, "Just believe on Jesus as your Savior, and you will be SAVED." That is not what the Scriptures say. IT SAYS: "Confess Him as LORD", not profess who He is. Even the demons know who He is.
Like I used explain it to the inmates when I was a Volunteer Protestant Chaplain, If you say, "I confess, I robbed a bank in New York City", but you reality you have never been to New York City. Is that a Confession or just a Profession? You know they got the answer to that one RIGHT every time. And I would go on to explain, then the same is true if you have NEVER surrendered control of your life to Jesus Christ in your heart, then it is only profession when you say Jesus is LORD. Sure we start out our walk of Sanctification knowing very little about submission to HIS LORDship; but HE BUILDS ON THAT.
Everyone on the Broad Road to Destruction, wants a Savior, but only the FEW want a Lord to rule over their lives:
Matthew 7:13-14 (HCSB)
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it.
14 How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.
P
and here's the Gate:
John 10:7-9
So Jesus said to them again, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
“All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
“I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture."
John 10:7-9
So Jesus said to them again, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
“All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
“I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture."
J
But the law had not yet been given in the times of Cain and Abel, sacrificing not instituted, and no blood indicated with Abel giving some prime animals as an offering. Also, can you please enlighten on this and what instructions Cain and Abel had from the Lord, to only bring animals, that Cain would have disobeyed? Where in scripture this is clarified?
J
But I'm not at all disagreeing with you, RedTent, that the animal offering Abel brought is, beyond all doubt, symbolic of the Lord Jesus, a prophecy of the Lord Jesus. I've simply always taken it that Abel gave a good gift, not really even knowing why, and that he was also more innocent in his heart than Cain.
well...we actually don't have to do anything to be sanctified (set apart for God's use).
God in Christ has already done it.
not to speak against obedience and going to a good church and reading and studying God's Word!
we're told to do those things.
but when we believe those things are what either get us into the Kingdom of God,
OR keep us in that Kingdom, we are failing to believe the Gospel.
it's not about us and what we do...it's about Christ and what He has done.
argh, you're right, this would be so much easier if we were having a face to face conversation. lol
God in Christ has already done it.
not to speak against obedience and going to a good church and reading and studying God's Word!
we're told to do those things.
but when we believe those things are what either get us into the Kingdom of God,
OR keep us in that Kingdom, we are failing to believe the Gospel.
it's not about us and what we do...it's about Christ and what He has done.
argh, you're right, this would be so much easier if we were having a face to face conversation. lol
True Story, slightly off subject: One day a couple decades ago when I was on my mail route in Crescent City, Ca., on a heavy over cast day; SUDDENLY a round hole opened up just over the beach and light beams shot out, similar to this one, only more round with very defined light beams shooting out:
I was almost over whelmed with excitement thinking, "HERE WE GO! The LORD is coming for us!" I actually pulled my mail truck over and stopped for a couple minutes, because I did not want it going on down the street when I left. It was a very exciting feeling, and one day it will be for REAL. I actually started thread sometime back to discuss that subject. I do not like to call it the Rapture, because of how some of the false prophets have perverted the meaning. I just refer to it as
"The Calling Out of the Bride"; which is actually what it really is. Let me know what you think of the Study: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ng-out-bride-go-wedding-lamb.html#post1604022
I was almost over whelmed with excitement thinking, "HERE WE GO! The LORD is coming for us!" I actually pulled my mail truck over and stopped for a couple minutes, because I did not want it going on down the street when I left. It was a very exciting feeling, and one day it will be for REAL. I actually started thread sometime back to discuss that subject. I do not like to call it the Rapture, because of how some of the false prophets have perverted the meaning. I just refer to it as
"The Calling Out of the Bride"; which is actually what it really is. Let me know what you think of the Study: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ng-out-bride-go-wedding-lamb.html#post1604022
K
Abel's gift was his faith and nothing more. Cain knew this as well. What covered the nakedness of of Adam and Eve? God killed an animal and used it's skin to cover them. This is symbolic of the cross. Abel knew that it took the blood of an animal to please God at that time and Cain knew it as well, yet Cain offered fruit and vegetables. Which was unacceptable. We come to the same thing in our time. We want to offer our works and that is unacceptable, we should offer our faith in the work of the cross which is the only thing He will accept
J
Again, could you then please provide scripture there were offering rules for that offering to God? That there was anything involving blood to the situation? That either Cain or Abel knew anything such? I appreciate opinions, but when they go contrary to what I've seen in scripture, or not seen, and what conclusions can be drawn, I'd like the word of God to be the teacher, not human extrapolations in a post-Christ era. For instance, where in scripture was Abel cognizant of God providing animal skins to his parents being linked to his offering, as a sheep herder, Cain working the ground? Scripture, please, to show your assertions are there in the scriptural account, or, it's okay, just tell us it's your opinion, a personal commentary.