Are you believing the lie...

[Scuba]

Many mainline churches today have adapted their belief system from the lie, rather than, from the truth. They teach that the Apostles of Jesus, and even Jesus Himself, taught against the Law. They say that they did away with the Law. But is this the truth or is it the lie that was formulated back then? Listen.

Acts 6:8-13 Stephen, the man so full of faith and the Holy Spirit’s power, did spectacular miracles among the people. But one day some of the men from the Jewish sect of “The Freedmen” started an argument with him, and they were soon joined by Jews from Cyrene, Alexandria in Egypt, and the Turkish provinces of Cilicia, and Asia Minor. But none of them was able to stand against Stephen’s wisdom and spirit. So they brought in some men to lie about him, claiming they had heard Stephen curse Moses, and even God. This accusation roused the crowds to fury against Stephen, and the Jewish leaders arrested him and brought him before the Council. The lying witnesses testified again that Stephen was constantly speaking against the Temple and against the laws of Moses.

The motivation for the spread of these lies came through jealousy. They say how many people were turning and following Jesus and His teachings, which magnified the Law and made it honorable. The teaching of Jesus took power away from the religious leaders of His day. This made them mad and caused them to speak lies against what they were teaching. Even when the Jews saw so many non-Jews gathering on the Sabbath it made them even more jealous and caused them to lie and make up stories about what they were teaching.

Acts 13:44-45 The next Sabbath almost the entire city turned out to hear them preach the word of the Lord. But when some of the Jews saw the crowds, they were jealous; so they slandered Paul and argued against whatever he said.

Are you believing and teaching the lie that Jesus and His Apostles spoke against the Law and against keeping the Sabbath. If you are then know this, your beliefs are not coming from God.

 

[tourist]

Many mainline churches today have adapted their belief system from the lie, rather than, from the truth.

I agree with you about the many Maine churches. I don't live in that state any more and I am back in Florida.

 

[mpaper345]

We are to always keep the moral laws of God that are laws of love towards God and people,which includes the 10 commandments,which Jesus said that those are the 2 greatest commandments to love God and people.

But Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way because they were contrary to us because they do not have any impact on our spiritual salvation,which includes the sabbath days.They were only physical ordinances until Christ came and would be done away with with His sacrifice.

The Bible says that love works no ill towards their neighbor,therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Love towards people is the fulfilling of the law.That is what you have to do is love people by the Spirit and you have fulfilled God's law.

So the physical ordinances have nothing to do with love towards another person but are physical ordinances,and man was not made for the sabbath but the sabbath for man.

We only have to obey the moral laws of God to love people and God and to do good and we do not have to obey the physical ordinances of Israel,which the Bible says let no person judge you in the physical ordinances of Israel which means they cannot tell you to keep them.

 

[Scuba]

We are to always keep the moral laws of God that are laws of love towards God and people,which includes the 10 commandments,which Jesus said that those are the 2 greatest commandments to love God and people.

But Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way because they were contrary to us because they do not have any impact on our spiritual salvation,which includes the sabbath days.They were only physical ordinances until Christ came and would be done away with with His sacrifice.

The Bible says that love works no ill towards their neighbor,therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Love towards people is the fulfilling of the law.That is what you have to do is love people by the Spirit and you have fulfilled God's law.

So the physical ordinances have nothing to do with love towards another person but are physical ordinances,and man was not made for the sabbath but the sabbath for man.

We only have to obey the moral laws of God to love people and God and to do good and we do not have to obey the physical ordinances of Israel,which the Bible says let no person judge you in the physical ordinances of Israel which means they cannot tell you to keep them.

mo·ral·i·ty
məˈralətē,mô-/
noun
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

Morality is defined by God. Every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God has moral value.

 

[RickyZ]

I liken it to a speed limit sign. The law says not to go over the limit. If you do there's a penalty. Jesus didn't take away the speed limit, He paid the fine for when we break it. So even tho there's no penalty for breaking the law, that doesn't make the law moot. It's still a guideline for how to live. We just don't die for failing it anymore.

 

[FireHeart]

It only takes one passage to disprove their beliefs on doing away with the law and thats when Jesus said I did not come to do away with the law but to fulfill it. the law was not done away with but its grip on us was weakened as the law was a heavy burden and showed us how great our sin was and Jesus made the yoke easy. you wouldnt think keeping only ten simple commands would be impossible for humans huh?

 

[Tintin]

I agree with you about the many Maine churches. I don't live in that state any more and I am back in Florida.

Haha! Tourist, you're awesome.

 

[crossnote]

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (Rom 7:4)

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. (Rom 7:6)

 

[Scuba]

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (Rom 7:4)

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. (Rom 7:6)

What would be the purpose of dying to the Law? Would it be so that you can now kill, rape and steal? I think not! The purpose of dying to the Law is so that the teeth of the Law, which is death, no longer has a hold on you through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. But let us not forget that sin still has teeth and a very long chain. Shall we sin because we are dead to the Law? Certainly not. Why certainly not if we are dead to the Law? Because sin still hardens the heart and a hard heart has turned away from the living God.

 

[posthuman]

um,

no, i don't believe that Stephen cursed either Moses or God.

 

[posthuman]

The motivation for the spread of these lies came through jealousy. They say how many people were turning and following Jesus and His teachings, which magnified the Law and made it honorable. The teaching of Jesus took power away from the religious leaders of His day. This made them mad and caused them to speak lies against what they were teaching.

after He was crucified and rose again,
am sure many Levites were put off that the sacrificial system was nullified too.
because Christ has made atonement, once and for all, and the priesthood of the temple is no more.
the shadow that was the blood of goats and bulls has been dissolved by the light of the true Lamb of God.

i believe that the shadow that was the ritual observance of the Sabbath is also dissolved in the true rest of God, revealed by the ministration of grace and redemption through the Holy Spirit.

i did not receive grace by observing a Sabbath day, and i will not perfect the grace shown to me by observing it either. i was born of spirit, not law. His grace has become my rest. i strive to observe the true Sabbath 7 days a week, the work of my flesh being laid aside for the greater occupation i am called to.

 

[Scuba]

i was born of spirit, not law.

Why were you given the Spirit of God? Was so that you could experience a warm buttery feeling or was there a more practical reason? What sayeth the LORD?

Ezekiel 36:26-27 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

 

[posthuman]

Why were you given the Spirit of God? Was so that you could experience a warm buttery feeling or was there a more practical reason? What sayeth the LORD?

it is for freedom we are free.
did Jesus die so that every gentile could be converted to Judaism?

what did His apostles say?
do not let anyone judge you regarding a Sabbath day (Colossians 2:16)
whoever enters into God's rest has ceased from his own works (Hebrews 4:10)
no flesh is justified by the works of the law ( Romans 3:20, Galatians 2:16)
adding the burden of the law to our salvation is foolishness (Galatians 3:1-6)
relying on the works of the law places you under a curse (Deuteronomy 27:26, Galatians 3:10)

Jesus did not cease from doing His work on the Sabbath day; He did nothing but the work of the Father, and this He did on every day.
He said He does what He sees the Father doing (John 5:19) -- if on certain day, the Father is teaching in the synagogue, and He the teaches also on this day, then He is doing the work of the Father on this day - does He sin? no! because to do the work of God is His rest, and it is also mine, and i do not reserve that for a single day.
i hope it does not become a stumbling block to you if i try to emulate Him, and if in the light of the glory revealed by His sacrifice and resurrection that i consider every day alike for His cause, until that Day that He returns to judge the quick & the dead.

 

[posthuman]

it is not in question that Jesus obeyed the covenant of the Jews.

did Jesus have rest?
did He have rest every day, or one day a week?

what work did He do? He did the work of God.
did He cease from this work on the Sabbath day? no, and it was a contention to the teachers of the law.
what work does God have for us?
should we make a point of regularly forsaking His work on some day?
how was Israel to honor the Sabbath? to cease from their labor.
how are we to honor Christ? to cease from the labor of the flesh.

how do we honor the Sabbath?
the way that men who did not understand it did?
or the way that the Lord of the Sabbath did?

man was not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was made for men.

 

[crossnote]

What would be the purpose of dying to the Law? Would it be so that you can now kill, rape and steal? I think not! The purpose of dying to the Law is so that the teeth of the Law, which is death, no longer has a hold on you through the shed blood of Jesus Christ. But let us not forget that sin still has teeth and a very long chain. Shall we sin because we are dead to the Law? Certainly not. Why certainly not if we are dead to the Law? Because sin still hardens the heart and a hard heart has turned away from the living God.

Who's talking about sinning? The law has no power to keep us from sinning, if anything it stirs up sin within. That is why the Christian is ...

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. (Rom 7:6)

 

[posthuman]

Why were you given the Spirit of God? Was so that you could experience a warm buttery feeling or was there a more practical reason? What sayeth the LORD?

Ezekiel 36:26-27 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

the Spirit of God causes me to weep and mourn over sin, over blindness, over deafness, confusion and coming righteous judgement. it causes me to rejoice over truth, mercy and justice; to love fearfully and tragically and beautifully, and to worship the Author and Finisher of my salvation.

it's not a buttery feeling. it groans​. (Romans 8:26)

because the Spirit is in me, and i walk after it, i walk in His statutes.
because He lives in my heart, even the new heart He put in me, His law is written in it.

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
(Galatians 5:18)

i love, because He has shown me love and put love in me, and He is Love.
by this i know that His law is fulfilled in me, and the Spirit does not convict me if my neighbor asks me to walk a mile with him on a saturday, and i walk with him for two. (Romans 13:10, Galatians 5:14, Matthew 5:41)

 

[RedTent]

What a loving, forgiving, long suffering God we have!! Just look at the history of how God worked with us! He tried to show himself to man, and man got so wicked God decided to start over with Noah. Noah's grandson, even, (Nimrod) got so far from him he erected the tower of Babel. So God created a special race to teach and sanctified them, set them apart. There was always a remnant in them who knew God, but what a time God had with them.

God gave them rituals so everything they did related to Him, it also segregated them. Boy, what a tempest in a teapot THAT has become. After God made us one people the rituals became humongous and only a cause to fight. Paul said forget them, we have the Holy Spirit to lead us now. Jews said they weren't having that, the rituals were important. Today's Christians are saying it is the entire law God gave Moses we are to forget, and if you use any of them you deny Christ and it means death. Most of the Jews who knew Christ got killed off in wars against them, the ones left said they simply didn't believe Christ was the messiah, if he was the messiah he would have handled Rome and the wars. Now, the fight was REALLY on.

At first the Jews and gentiles got on together quite well, although the gentiles thought the Jews lived so strangely with their rituals they were a bit nuts, and the Jews thought the gentiles had to be a Jew like had always happened to love the Lord. Pretty soon the fight was on. The gentiles lumped the feasts and even the Sabbath with the rituals, and decided they could live as a Christian in their head without a bit of involvement with what they did. Constantine came along and decided to arrest and put anyone in jail for anything Jewish. The fight is STILL on. No one listens to scripture.

I should think it is time we could settle all of this, and rituals, law, fight among Jews and gentiles, all the stuff against God's word could be settled and we could just let God and His word reign.

Like it says in 2 Peter, Paul has been made the center of all of this, today. 2Pe 3:16 He speaks about these things in all his letters in which there are some matters that are hard to understand. The untaught and unstable twist them to their own destruction, as they also do with the rest of the Scriptures.

 

[posthuman]

we don't need to forget the law; it is recorded in the scriptures for us to know.
we need to understand the law, and understand it as it glorifies our Lord and Redeemer Jesus Christ!

performing any bit of the law without knowing how it glorifies God, including laying off work for a day and calling it "honoring" the Sabbath, is like eating a fabergé egg for breakfast. it looks fabulous, but there is no nourishment at all. you are better off leaving it on a shelf on display.

i want to be clear:
i do remember God on saturday; i do not equate sunday congregation with the sabbath; unless it is required of me, i do not work for my employer on saturday - and if he asks me to, i consider it a service to God, who teaches us that to give both our shirt and our cloak to a thief, and work all the harder. i don't honor the sabbath as a day on saturdays because i think God will be wroth with me if i do not, but to remind me of His true rest, which is Christ Jesus.
i don't want to even discuss why i honor every day rather than one day alone, because i know it will make someone like Scuba stumble to hear it. but the Spirit in me won't let me pass by without making this post. if it were me, i would not have replied to this topic at all -- but look at what kind of creature He has made me! even today, i put my own work aside and try to explain how Christ Himself is become our Rest, and that to His glory, He is Lord 24/7/365! here i am honoring the Sabbath first thing tuesday morning!
i take the admonition in Colossians 2:16 seriously, literally and clearly, and will not be part of condemning any of my family for meat, for drink, for a festival or for a sabbath. there is no foolishness in keeping a day of rest, it is wisdom! what is foolishness is thinking that you are justified by any law.

for His sake, continue in your devotion to God! but remember next weekend what it is you are honoring!

 

[posthuman]

if "Shabbat Shalom" is more gracious to say than "Shalom"

what law is it that keeps me from saying this to the one i love every day of every week?

! המשיח הוא יובל

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