It is right to kill for a christian soldier?

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TheSearcherOfTheLight

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I mean, a christian soldier, if he need to do that during his work can kill someone?
Thanks for the attention, brothers.
God bless. :)
 
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Kerry

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My brother God has killed more people than any soldier. One angel killed 185,000 trained soldiers in one night.
 
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Kerry

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Like 22:35

35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.


sounds clear cut to me, defend yourself and if you are in an army right or wrong defend yourself. Amen.
 
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Many people make that wrong assumption as they do with wine in the Bible. My first post of the thread I provided within the link gives the explanation about the sword.
 
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Yes. In Romans 13:4 it says soldiers (in our day it would be police or military) that they do not wear the sword for nothing, and that they are God's servants. The difference between killing and murder is that killing is taking human life with God's permission- such as in police, judges, and armies. Murder is taking human life without God's permission- such as in the case of Cain and Abel.
 
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Yes. In Romans 13:4 it says soldiers (in our day it would be police or military) that they do not wear the sword for nothing, and that they are God's servants. The difference between killing and murder is that killing is taking human life with God's permission- such as in police, judges, and armies. Murder is taking human life without God's permission- such as in the case of Cain and Abel.

Yes Christians can have guns. We are to abide by the laws of the land in which we live unless those laws go against God's laws. I saw on the news a single mother had her baby sitting on the couch while she spoke to 911. Two men with knives were cutting a whole through her screen door and trying to get in her other door as she spoke to 911. She said to 911 "If they enter I'm shooting!" They did enter, she did kill them. She wasn't even arrested because she was protecting herself and her baby.

When Jesus said to offer the other cheek- that was an attitude. You have to take all scripture into consideration. In Luke 22:36 Jesus told them to buy a sword. You don't just lay down and say go ahead rape me, kill me, kill my child, do whatever you wish. Understand this- there is a time for everything. The only thing there is always time for is love- whether that be tough love, love for God, love for your children. Gentleness is one of the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22) but it is not always the time to be gentle. For example, if someone tried to kidnap my child and I had a hold of her leg, should I hold it gently so that he can take her and rape her, cut her up, and throw her in the river like they did Adam- John Walsh's son- the host of America's most wanted? How is that love for my child? Or should I hold on with all my might because it is better to take her to the hospital with a broken leg then to let him have her? It is always time for love. Protection is love. Jesus died in our place to protect us- the greatest love ever. (John 15:13).
 
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So Peter was commended for chopping off the soldiers ear? Paul and the other apostles fought back when they were persecuted? What about 2 Corinthians 10:4? What about turning the other cheek? What about doing good unto your enemies?
 
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Some in this world must be warriors, and others must be pacifists. The warriors ready to fight for a good cause. The pacifists to create the peace when the cause is fulfilled.
 

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I mean, a christian soldier, if he need to do that during his work can kill someone?
Thanks for the attention, brothers.
God bless. :)
I have served in the military for an extensive period. A soldier is trained in two basic things - to break things and kill people. I thank God that I was never in a position to kill another human being, but can only say that if called to do so I would have taken the shot. Freedom is never free and there will always be a need for warriors to fight the good fight because the cause is just.
 

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Some in this world must be warriors, and others must be pacifists. The warriors ready to fight for a good cause. The pacifists to create the peace when the cause is fulfilled.
I believe that we are all called to be warriors as we are told to put on the full armor of Christ. It is not possible for pacifist to create peace for that is the cause of the warriors. All pacifist do is reap the benefits.
 

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Yes. In Romans 13:4 it says soldiers (in our day it would be police or military) that they do not wear the sword for nothing, and that they are God's servants. The difference between killing and murder is that killing is taking human life with God's permission- such as in police, judges, and armies. Murder is taking human life without God's permission- such as in the case of Cain and Abel.

Yes Christians can have guns. We are to abide by the laws of the land in which we live unless those laws go against God's laws. I saw on the news a single mother had her baby sitting on the couch while she spoke to 911. Two men with knives were cutting a whole through her screen door and trying to get in her other door as she spoke to 911. She said to 911 "If they enter I'm shooting!" They did enter, she did kill them. She wasn't even arrested because she was protecting herself and her baby.

When Jesus said to offer the other cheek- that was an attitude. You have to take all scripture into consideration. In Luke 22:36 Jesus told them to buy a sword. You don't just lay down and say go ahead rape me, kill me, kill my child, do whatever you wish. Understand this- there is a time for everything. The only thing there is always time for is love- whether that be tough love, love for God, love for your children. Gentleness is one of the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22) but it is not always the time to be gentle. For example, if someone tried to kidnap my child and I had a hold of her leg, should I hold it gently so that he can take her and rape her, cut her up, and throw her in the river like they did Adam- John Walsh's son- the host of America's most wanted? How is that love for my child? Or should I hold on with all my might because it is better to take her to the hospital with a broken leg then to let him have her? It is always time for love. Protection is love. Jesus died in our place to protect us- the greatest love ever. (John 15:13).
This wins the outstanding post of the day award.
 

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Many people make that wrong assumption as they do with wine in the Bible. My first post of the thread I provided within the link gives the explanation about the sword.
I pray that one day you get with the program or you will be left behind.
 
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I believe that we are all called to be warriors as we are told to put on the full armor of Christ. It is not possible for pacifist to create peace for that is the cause of the warriors. All pacifist do is reap the benefits.
If that were true, then Christ would have called warriors peacemakers, but He did not. You incorrectly see all pacifists as peace at all costs, which most are not. Most lay down their lives as martyrs.
 
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It really upsets me when I hear people who say they love the Lord say that the Lord, who is love and wants only what is good for us, also say this God is behind killing and has caused it. When this God, who is love, has told people that they are called on to fight evil even with their earthly life, God has called man to go to a Holy war. Joshua was told to do that, for instance. Today's man is judging their God for declaring a holy war!!

For years and years man was given the Urim and Thummin so if a king decided a war was necessary, it would tell them if it was a holy war or not. Then these were destroyed, and later we are given the Holy Spirit to consult. Man has become so wicked that I don't think any of our wars are holy any more.

We have been told that the war of the forces of evil against Jerusalem is a holy war to come and we can see these forces building today. We know it will seem these forces are winning until God directly intervenes.
 
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I pray that one day you get with the program or you will be left behind.
While I believe God's true people are guided into all truth and are given the mysteries of the Kingdom, I would not say that you would miss out on the Pre-Trib Rapture because you didn't know certain non salvation topics. In fact, from where I am standing with Scripture, I believe you cannot see or don't want to see what the Scriptures are saying on this matter and others.

In other words, threats against the brethren are useless and unloving. Prove your case with Scripture. I just mentioned a few verses for starters already. What do you make them?
 
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Historically speaking, the early church were pacifists. It was actually because Christians started to look around and see Christians going to war with shield and sword and see a discrepancy between both history and Scripture that caused St. Augustine and Aquinas to craft the "Just War theory" which is what about 95% of churches now are basing their beliefs that war is necessary on.

When you truly get down to it, you will understand that those who believe war is necessary are not really basing their views on Scripture but rather on what they have always been told. The only verse in the New Testament that comes anywhere near close to supporting war is when Jesus told His disciples to buy swords. Yet, even directly afterwards, He rebuked Peter for using it and basically, strongly told him to not to use it again. Therefore, you cannot base a whole view of Christians going to war off that one verse. There are multitudes of verses that debunk the pro-war interpretation of that one verse.

For those who believe war is necessary, it is usually more of a problem of not trusting God. When Jesus rebuked Peter, He said "Do you not think that I could pray to the Father..." but when we have problems that are real problems and need immediate results, we do not pray because we do not really trust God. What we really trust is ourselves. And this is why we do few great things for God and our Christian lives are mediocre at best.

Those who trust in war and guns almost always, by necessity, put Christ on the sidelines.
 
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The SearcherOfTheLight For me brother a Vietnam Veteran,and one who has fought in battle, the 4 chapters of Second Timothy to me good brother were written for the soldier. For the Lord knew long ago there would always be battles to fight to preserve the right, to always bear arms against any foe.( Luke 22:36-38)

The taking of a life is not the same in real life,as it is in a video game or movie,it is far different to say the least! The mindset of the soldier is to never become entangled in the affairs of everyday life,for the life of the soldier, has nothing to do with everyday life!!( 2 Tim 2:4)

I just wanted you to understand the mindset of the soldier before I address your question directly. The life the soldier takes from this earth cannot be repented over,for to repent means to turn away from any killing,and if any soldier turned away from killing, he himself would fall prey to his enemy killing him.

In a close quarter kill,for the first time the soldier become ill( at least 90 percent will, I sure did) for when you snatch a life so close to your own,you feel the effect of the death you have caused to take place. The horror of last words can haunt the soldier,the face of death,is not unlike,your own after you take it.

There is no I am sorry,there is no I didn't mean it,there is only purpose to preserve your own life,and the lives of your fellow soldiers. In this, is mindset for the soldier, and this is how he can move on. A soldier is a servant to the master who brought him to war in the first place.( 2 Tim 2:24-26)

There is no way to compare a believing soldier to an unbelieving one except for the fact, that they are both doing the same job.You are trained to perform what is needed by your superiors,so that in battle you fellow soldiers will not be afraid that you will not fight when needed or called upon.

The real question to killing is not in the act itself, but rather the motive to which one kills. If the soldiers mindset in not here,they most likely will perish from the earth themselves,i saw many who did. For guilt and condemnation can have no part in the soldiers mindset!!

I truly understand those who believe it is wrong,I sure would not kill for sport or fun,it was never that! There is purpose in the kill,you have saved lives on your own side,and hopefully moved a bit closer to have the enemy surrender. After the battle, the time you take to reflect upon what you have done,is also done with purpose,you do not consider if the kill was right or wrong,but rather how safe you stayed during the confrontation!

Here is the real sad part! The more you kill, the better you get at the killing,and when the killing is done,you cannot wait to get back into the battle again! Your mind becomes set on attack rather then defense,because when you attack you are moving forward, and not withdrawing, so your eyes are forward as well.

For if your back is toward the enemy, you will not see there attack! And you will be a sorry soldier indeed! Because you will be dead from looking back or going back!( reminds me of this scripture!Luke 9:62) and gen 19:26!) A kill is an event! It is not the kind of event you look forward to,nor run away from. It has purpose,and brings results.

I can only speak for myself in battle,I do not discuss much of the times i spent in the jungles of Vietnam,because unless you were there with me,you would never fathom,what went thorugh ones mind, or the horrors from the result. I was not a believer then,but through what I endured, sure did prepare me to be able to receive my Jesus!

I sure was ready to give him my sin,and receive his blood he shed for them! Jesus is looked by a soldier a bit different from civilians who receive him I think.The soldier looks at Jesus as a commander of both truth and grace!( john 1:14!!!) The code of the soldier in him now!

For the soldier knows how much he needed in battle himself,and must therefore always extend the same to others!(2 Peter 3:18) For the great commandment to the soldier is( john 13:34) Love one another as I have loved you,the soldier knows about lives given for both his Country and for others who served with him!( john 15:11-17!!)

For our Commander( YES FRIEND!!) Jesus did the same for all those he loved! The soldier can always follow truth and grace,because that is what the soldier has always fought for in the first place! Blessing all!
 
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[h=1]What does the Bible say about a Christian serving in the military?[/h]
Question: "What does the Bible say about a Christian serving in the military?"

Answer:
The Bible contains plenty of information about serving in the military. While many of the Bible’s references to the military are only analogies, several verses directly relate to this question. The Bible does not specifically state whether or not someone should serve in the military. At the same time, Christians can rest assured that being a soldier is highly respected throughout the Scriptures and know that such service is consistent with a biblical worldview.

The first example of military service is found in the Old Testament (Genesis 14), when Abraham's nephew Lot was kidnapped by Chedorlaomer, king of Elam, and his allies. Abraham rallied to Lot's aid by gathering 318 trained men of his household and defeating the Elamites. Here we see armed forces engaged in a noble task—rescuing and protecting the innocent.

Late in its history, the nation of Israel developed a standing army. The sense that God was the Divine Warrior and would protect His people regardless of their military strength may have been a reason why Israel was slow to develop an army. The development of a regular standing army in Israel came only after a strong, centralized political system had been developed by Saul, David, and Solomon. Saul was the first to form a permanent army (1 Samuel 13:2; 24:2; 26:2).

What Saul began, David continued. He increased the army, brought in hired troops from other regions who were loyal to him alone (2 Samuel 15:19-22) and turned over the direct leadership of his armies to a commander-in-chief, Joab. Under David, Israel also became more aggressive in its offensive military policies, absorbing neighboring states like Ammon (2 Samuel 11:1; 1 Chronicles 20:1-3). David established a system of rotating troops with twelve groups of 24,000 men serving one month of the year (1 Chronicles 27). Although Solomon's reign was peaceful, he further expanded the army, adding chariots and horsemen (1 Kings 10:26). The standing army continued (though divided along with the kingdom after the death of Solomon) until 586 B.C., when Israel (Judah) ceased to exist as a political entity.

In the New Testament, Jesus marveled when a Roman centurion (an officer in charge of one hundred soldiers) approached Him. The centurion’s response to Jesus indicated his clear understanding of authority, as well as his faith in Jesus (Matthew 8:5-13). Jesus did not denounce his career. Many centurions mentioned in the New Testament are praised as Christians, God-fearers, and men of good character (Matthew 8:5; 27:54; Mark 15:39-45; Luke 7:2; 23:47; Acts 10:1; 21:32; 28:16).

The places and the titles may have changed, but our armed forces should be just as valued as the centurions of the Bible. The position of soldier was highly respected. For example, Paul describes Epaphroditus, a fellow Christian, as a “fellow soldier” (Philippians 2:25). The Bible also uses military terms to describe being strong in the Lord by putting on the whole armor of God (Ephesians 6:10-20), including the tools of the soldier—helmet, shield, and sword.

Yes, the Bible does address serving in the military, directly and indirectly. The Christian men and women who serve their country with character, dignity, and honor can rest assured that the civic duty they perform is condoned and respected by our sovereign God. Those who honorably serve in the military deserve our respect and gratitude.

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