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Graybeard

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....... I can't even begin to imagine the number of believers who will lose faith when they begin to see the signs of tribulation and begin to wonder if they had been left behind also.
and I can't imagine the look of pure joy and surprise on those who thought they would go through the tribulation when they are caught up before it happens!:)
(not saying I fully agree with pre-trib but what if?)
 
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I'm in total agreement. I strongly suggest to people to do a study on both Revelation and the Exodus simultaneously. The parallel between the two are uncanny, especially when you take into account how God poured out His wrath on Egypt yet kept the Hebrews safe from harm while still in the land (of course they still felt their of persecution).

I once heard a story about how many chinese who were taught pre-trib rapture by western missionaries began to fall away from the faith when the Chinese govt. begin a strict crackdown on christianity. They assumed that Jesus had already come and they were somehow left behind without a hope of salvation. It was a horrible story to listen to. I can't even begin to imagine the number of believers who will lose faith when they begin to see the signs of tribulation and begin to wonder if they had been left behind also.
I think that those who are Christ's will stand. Paul says in I John 2:19

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

You've made a very profound statement which happens to be one of the primary reasons that I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture. Except for Lot's situation in Sodom , God was not known for pulling his people out of trouble. They usually had to endure it for a time, before their deliverance, but they were preserved while wrath was poured out on their enemies.
 
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This was back in the 1980 in the first year windows came out, my daughter was not even a year old, she is now 21 and I am a grandma.

It is a true story and it is shame on you, for calling me a liar.
I was born in 1967, I was in my 20's back then.
Lessee, Windows 1.0 came out in 1985.
You wouldn't have turned 20 until 1987.
And the World Wide Web still wasn't open to the public until 1991.
On top of that, the idea that the United Nations would publicly display evil sinister plots on the internet is silly.

Your story still fails to convince me. Perhaps you just dreamed it.
 
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Graybeard

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25 years ago, computers were very different, we had just gotten windows, and were just leaving dos.
I did get into the computer named the Beast and tried to print what I saw, but as soon as I hit the print button, My computer got fried, I had to get a new computer!

What I saw was all numbers scattered on the screen, just like in the movie Matrix's.

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I really think that either you had a very realistic dream, or someone played a huge prank on you. Either way what you claim is impossible and besides, if you are contributing all your ailments and stuff to this "happening", then you surely cannot believe in the protective power of the Blood of Christ.
sister...you need deliverance, please seek council from your church leadership, because if you truly believe what you have said, Satan has a hold somewhere on you.
 
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ChristsArmorBearer

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Lessee, Windows 1.0 came out in 1985.
You wouldn't have turned 20 until 1987.
And the World Wide Web still wasn't open to the public until 1991.
On top of that, the idea that the United Nations would publicly display evil sinister plots on the internet is silly.

Your story still fails to convince me. Perhaps you just dreamed it.
Brack, would you please let it go? It's one thing to correct someone out of love, however you may want to watch your step. You see, it doesn't matter how right we are if ... if we begin to belittle someone in the process of doing so, we are still "wrong" if you catch my drift.
 
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ChristsArmorBearer

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I really think that either you had a very realistic dream, or someone played a huge prank on you. Either way what you claim is impossible and besides, if you are contributing all your ailments and stuff to this "happening", then you surely cannot believe in the protective power of the Blood of Christ.
sister...you need deliverance, please seek council from your church leadership, because if you truly believe what you have said, Satan has a hold somewhere on you.
wow, try to put out one fire and someone else pours fuel on the flame...
 
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ChristsArmorBearer

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I think that those who are Christ's will stand. Paul says in I John 2:19

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

You've made a very profound statement which happens to be one of the primary reasons that I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture. Except for Lot's situation in Sodom , God was not known for pulling his people out of trouble. They usually had to endure it for a time, before their deliverance, but they were preserved while wrath was poured out on their enemies.
While that may be true, it is the heart of God "that not one should perish" thus that should be a priority on our heart as well. I know many people are closed to the idea of a post trib due to various popular modern doctrine and writings, it is not our job to change their minds but to present to them biblical evidence then allow them to weigh the information for themselves to see which is more credible
 
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Graybeard

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Aliciaforjesus
I hereby declare my apologies to you, I in no way meant to belittle or humiliate you whatever your experiences have been, I pray you be blessed and our Lord keep and protect you.:eek:
 
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songster

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and I can't imagine the look of pure joy and surprise on those who thought they would go through the tribulation when they are caught up before it happens!:)
(not saying I fully agree with pre-trib but what if?)
If it happens, my friend, I've got my ticket, :) , but there simply isn't enough clear scriptural evidence to support it. Those arguments are not without assumption and personal revelations and interpretations.
 
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ChristsArmorBearer

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If it happens my friend, I've got my ticket :), but these claims are usually supported by assumptions, personal revelations, and personal interpretations.
*lol* Same here. If the Lord come before the trib then you won't hear me argue.

However, I believe that we should teach both perspectives so that people not only are aware but also prepared for both scenerios.
 
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Graybeard

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If it happens, my friend, I've got my ticket, :) , but there simply isn't enough clear scriptural evidence to support it. Those arguments are not without assumption and personal revelations and interpretations.
If it happens my friend, I've got my ticket :), but these claims are usually supported by assumptions, personal revelations, and personal interpretations.
okay..so which version is KJV??:D
 
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Brack, would you please let it go? It's one thing to correct someone out of love, however you may want to watch your step. You see, it doesn't matter how right we are if ... if we begin to belittle someone in the process of doing so, we are still "wrong" if you catch my drift.
Yes, you're right.

I've seen so much dishonesty, disinformation, and outright conspiracy-theory looniness spread on the internet in the name of Christianity that I sort of have a kneejerk reaction to these things. But yes, I overstepped my bounds. Alicia, I don't know what you saw, or think you saw, but I would encourage you not to get too caught up in the craziness that's out there. It can drive you insane.

I still do not believe your story, but I am sorry I was rude in my dismissal of it.
 
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greatkraw

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years ago a story was spread in christian circles that in sweden newborn babies had a chip implanted - something like that

it was a story planted to discredit christians

too many christians are too gullible and do not check their facts

the nazis determined that the speed that a lie spreads is proportional to its magnitude
 
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The sooner the Devil takes over the sooner Jesus will return. I am post-trib. So I'm ready for the greatest battle the Earth has ever known.
Bring it on I say. I hope they implemet the world credit system this year. With implants as the best option. On ya right and or forard.
 
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songster

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years ago a story was spread in christian circles that in sweden newborn babies had a chip implanted - something like that

it was a story planted to discredit christians

too many christians are too gullible and do not check their facts

the nazis determined that the speed that a lie spreads is proportional to its magnitude

Yes, you're right. Were you aware though, that chip implants are in fact being used?
 
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No I havent had TV for 5 years. Dad gives me news every so often.. Micheal Jackson died YA know? Yea...
I despise the BEAST (TV)
So good, it all going to happen soon I pay.
 
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GREAT.. I dont have TV. Hate the beast.
This year Jesus unlock the implant system.
Amen
 
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Ya people make such a big deal about who gets in for president. I think that these presidents are nothing but robots controlled by the Illuminati.

Both George Bush SR. and JR were members of the secret satanic society called the Skull and Bones. And here many Christians think the George Bush is a born again Christian. George Bush said in an interview that he believes that unbelivers will still get to go to Heaven.
 
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Aliciaforjesus

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Aliciaforjesus
I hereby declare my apologies to you, I in no way meant to belittle or humiliate you whatever your experiences have been, I pray you be blessed and our Lord keep and protect you.:eek:
I am not at all feeling belittled or humiliated.

I don't really care what people think or if they believe me or not!

I tell you the truth and you will not receive it, that's not on me!


 
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