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The Bible says to "bring all the tithes into the storehouse...."
To me its a matter of obedience. If God cannot trust me to do something as small as giving back ten percent of my income then why would he trust me with doing something bigger?
My offering goes to many different areas: salaries, upkeep of the church, purchasing of sunday school materials, benevolence for those less fortunate and many more things. I attend a Southern Baptist church and so some of the money goes to fund domestic and world wide missions. Some to local area ministries and so many more areas.
For years I didn't give much at all and to be honest sometimes even now I'm tempted to not give.
I'm glad you give to God, but your local church also could benefit from you and it is my conviction to give to them first before giving to other ministries.
To me its a matter of obedience. If God cannot trust me to do something as small as giving back ten percent of my income then why would he trust me with doing something bigger?
My offering goes to many different areas: salaries, upkeep of the church, purchasing of sunday school materials, benevolence for those less fortunate and many more things. I attend a Southern Baptist church and so some of the money goes to fund domestic and world wide missions. Some to local area ministries and so many more areas.
For years I didn't give much at all and to be honest sometimes even now I'm tempted to not give.
I'm glad you give to God, but your local church also could benefit from you and it is my conviction to give to them first before giving to other ministries.
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The Tithe cannot be found in the scripture in any place in connection with the NT Church. Only 3 times is it mentioned in the NT, twice in connection with the Jewish law, and once in refference to Abraham.
We as Christians are not called to give 10%, but rather to give all. To God, and to Christ in our fellow man. If you have a church that is doing things you agree with, then by all means... fill that plate up.
But don't judge me or others if they give to God directly, rather than putting money in a plate so others can do the work for them.
We as Christians are not called to give 10%, but rather to give all. To God, and to Christ in our fellow man. If you have a church that is doing things you agree with, then by all means... fill that plate up.
But don't judge me or others if they give to God directly, rather than putting money in a plate so others can do the work for them.
J
Most that argue against the tithe are simply looking for a reason to not give at all. Yes the tithe is under the law, but most here are under the law and are not truly woalking by faith. They hold onto doctrines and beliefs that PROHIBIT God's moving in their lives. God gives us obediences until we can GROW UP and EWALK LIK MEN. If your church preaches the truth you have an OBLIGATION to give at least 10%. IF you give more, fine, but obey the light you have until you can TRULY WALK BY FAITH -- and not by law.
Malachi 3
8 “Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me! But you say, ‘How have we robbed You?’ In tithes and offerings.
9 You are cursed with a curse , for you are robbing Me, the whole nation of you! [The CURSES of Deuteronomy 28 will begin to destroy your life -- if you do not OBEY]
10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house [YOU have an OBLIGATION to SUPPORT THOSE THAT TRULY PREACH THE WORD OF GOD], and test Me now in this,” says the Lord of hosts, “if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows [Don't for a minute think God is talking about getting rich. He is tallking about an obedience that allows Him to DELIVER YOU].
11 Then I will rebuke the devourer for you [God Will begin to deliver you], so that it will not destroy the fruits of the ground [He will protect you from the powers of Hell]; nor will your vine in the field cast its grapes [Those areas of your l ife that you have not been delivered from will be kept at bay],” says the Lord of hosts.
Many here preach law. Some act as if the law does not apply. There are 2 sons in God's kingdom. One walks in obedience to the light he has and allows God's refining hand to purify him and allow Him to "grow up into all things" -- to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. The other is the son of the bondwoman. Either looking for an excuse to not fully obey God or taking delight in his works that he misses the Cross and the Glory of God.
It's time to prepare for His Glory. Obey the light yo u have. Cry out to God day and night and remembver -- IT IS HIS WORK IN YOU THAT GOD ACCEPTS -- not your beliefs, doctrines or works. We simply obey the light we have and alow His refining hand to purify us and make us holy -- everything else is religion and is rejected by God. Soon the true people of God will be made known -- and many Christians will be left outside. SEEK HIM. FIND HIM. BUt do it FAST -- while there's still time -- because the time for repentance is almost up and MANY will be left outside want to get in, but will rejected.
Soon.
Much sooner than you thin.
Malachi 3
8 “Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me! But you say, ‘How have we robbed You?’ In tithes and offerings.
9 You are cursed with a curse , for you are robbing Me, the whole nation of you! [The CURSES of Deuteronomy 28 will begin to destroy your life -- if you do not OBEY]
10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house [YOU have an OBLIGATION to SUPPORT THOSE THAT TRULY PREACH THE WORD OF GOD], and test Me now in this,” says the Lord of hosts, “if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows [Don't for a minute think God is talking about getting rich. He is tallking about an obedience that allows Him to DELIVER YOU].
11 Then I will rebuke the devourer for you [God Will begin to deliver you], so that it will not destroy the fruits of the ground [He will protect you from the powers of Hell]; nor will your vine in the field cast its grapes [Those areas of your l ife that you have not been delivered from will be kept at bay],” says the Lord of hosts.
Many here preach law. Some act as if the law does not apply. There are 2 sons in God's kingdom. One walks in obedience to the light he has and allows God's refining hand to purify him and allow Him to "grow up into all things" -- to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. The other is the son of the bondwoman. Either looking for an excuse to not fully obey God or taking delight in his works that he misses the Cross and the Glory of God.
It's time to prepare for His Glory. Obey the light yo u have. Cry out to God day and night and remembver -- IT IS HIS WORK IN YOU THAT GOD ACCEPTS -- not your beliefs, doctrines or works. We simply obey the light we have and alow His refining hand to purify us and make us holy -- everything else is religion and is rejected by God. Soon the true people of God will be made known -- and many Christians will be left outside. SEEK HIM. FIND HIM. BUt do it FAST -- while there's still time -- because the time for repentance is almost up and MANY will be left outside want to get in, but will rejected.
Soon.
Much sooner than you thin.
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Matthew 7:21-23Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
now hear what I am saying here, I am not questioning your salvation...but what I am hearing is "I do so much, so why should I give?" and "Look at how much I do, I am a very good christian" ~ the reason the early church did not have church buildings was because Christianity was illegal, punishable by death...if they could have had a building surely they would have met...just as if you had the choice to have heating in your home or sit in the cold and freezing you would choose the former...Sure some churches go too far and make media centres rather than churches...but ultimately any church building needs finance for upkeep, bills and legal stuff...
home churches don't work due to limited space as one guy said, past 15 your bordering on illegal limits. Plus I would still give to the hime owner as they are paying for that accommodation, they are permitting people to use it and normally providing refreshments...
The reason I desire to give is not because I have to tithe or I feel like I need to give....I desire to give because the work that goes on in the ministry, the reason at present I don't give is, I don't feel I am being fed by my church and therefore do not feel like it is doing its job right, however, I do give money to help others where I can, I can't always or I don't always but I a, a work in progress
God bless you and may your ears be open to read and think about this.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
now hear what I am saying here, I am not questioning your salvation...but what I am hearing is "I do so much, so why should I give?" and "Look at how much I do, I am a very good christian" ~ the reason the early church did not have church buildings was because Christianity was illegal, punishable by death...if they could have had a building surely they would have met...just as if you had the choice to have heating in your home or sit in the cold and freezing you would choose the former...Sure some churches go too far and make media centres rather than churches...but ultimately any church building needs finance for upkeep, bills and legal stuff...
home churches don't work due to limited space as one guy said, past 15 your bordering on illegal limits. Plus I would still give to the hime owner as they are paying for that accommodation, they are permitting people to use it and normally providing refreshments...
The reason I desire to give is not because I have to tithe or I feel like I need to give....I desire to give because the work that goes on in the ministry, the reason at present I don't give is, I don't feel I am being fed by my church and therefore do not feel like it is doing its job right, however, I do give money to help others where I can, I can't always or I don't always but I a, a work in progress
God bless you and may your ears be open to read and think about this.
J
Perhaps hat doesn't apply to you. The point is that we are to obey God in all things. Yes, we are to give all, but that "all" is a process that God does in us as we obey the light we have. Noone can really give "all" until God prepars his heart through the Cross. It sounds cliche to say stuff like that, because the reality is we can't do it in our own strength and most don't even really attempt to do it at all. Really, giving money is one of God's simplest commandments. Giving areas of your life that you value much more than that is a lot harder.
R
at first you argue that christians should follow the new testament example of gathering in homes...but then the way you describe your charitable giving does -not- follow the new testament example...
in the new testament people brought their donations into the church and the church as a whole distributed them...this whole notion of 'i independently donate to whatever causes i see fit' is absent from scripture...
in the new testament people brought their donations into the church and the church as a whole distributed them...this whole notion of 'i independently donate to whatever causes i see fit' is absent from scripture...
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And what does the scripture say was done with the money ? They distributed to all that had need... They didn't buy expensive property and call that property "church". Examine acts chapter 2 &4 and let me know where the church is that looks like that.
If I ever find a church that does what the apostles were doing then yeah... I'm in.
If I ever find a church that does what the apostles were doing then yeah... I'm in.
L
The apostles did a lot of things differently than we do today because we live in another time. They used hand written scriptures, they did not have electricity, they wore funny clothes, and who knows what they did without toilet paper. They didn't use antibiotics or vaccines. That does not mean we should do everything they did. They often met in catacombs - does anyone go to church in a graveyard?
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Look, all I am saying is We are called to give ALL as Christians. Hey, if you put money in an offering plate to help pay for mega churches, and other property that nobody needs... and you think Christ wants you to do that with your money...fine.
But I won't be doing it.
Like I said before, if you like putting your money in a plate so others can do some work for God for you, great. But why judge someone who is willing to go do the work themselves...or with other like minded Christians ?
But I won't be doing it.
Like I said before, if you like putting your money in a plate so others can do some work for God for you, great. But why judge someone who is willing to go do the work themselves...or with other like minded Christians ?
Yes IAm3rd
God is gonna shock people when He shows them snapshots of the people who were poor, hungry, and needed a place to stay. He's gonna shock the you know what our of Texas. That state is the worst. I know of about 10 people on here, and some even knew I was homeless for a few weeks, and never offered their place, or just turned the other cheek. They were too busy worrying about posting on here or stating their point rather than responding to those in need, or applying their moral compass to me not having a place to stay. God will also spew out the Lukewarm ones (cough, Texas).
God is gonna shock people when He shows them snapshots of the people who were poor, hungry, and needed a place to stay. He's gonna shock the you know what our of Texas. That state is the worst. I know of about 10 people on here, and some even knew I was homeless for a few weeks, and never offered their place, or just turned the other cheek. They were too busy worrying about posting on here or stating their point rather than responding to those in need, or applying their moral compass to me not having a place to stay. God will also spew out the Lukewarm ones (cough, Texas).