Holy and sanctified?

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LEPIDUS

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Do you acknowledge The Sabbath as holy and sanctified?
 

posthuman

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do you acknowledge that the true Sabbath is not a day, which is only a shadow, but God's rest?

Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,
“As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’”

although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said,
“They shall not enter my rest.”

Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

(Hebrews 4:1-10)

yes, the rest of God is holy and sanctified - it is found in the person, Jesus Christ.
 

LEPIDUS

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do you acknowledge that the true Sabbath is not a day, which is only a shadow, but God's rest?

Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,
“As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’”

although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said,
“They shall not enter my rest.”

Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

(Hebrews 4:1-10)

yes, the rest of God is holy and sanctified - it is found in the person, Jesus Christ.
The rest of salvation in Christ is one thing and The Sabbath is another. I have confidence in the rest of salvation I find in Christ and I also acknowledge The Sabbath, as holy and sanctified.
 

crossnote

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The rest of salvation in Christ is one thing and The Sabbath is another. I have confidence in the rest of salvation I find in Christ and I also acknowledge The Sabbath, as holy and sanctified.
Sabbath=rest
period.
 

Blain

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Do you acknowledge The Sabbath as holy and sanctified?
I acknowledge that sabbath keeping is a matter of the Heart, I also acknowledge that it is not sinful to not keep the sabbath because of the old covenant and that keeping the sabbath with the new covenant is a matter of your relationship with God.
 

LEPIDUS

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I acknowledge that sabbath keeping is a matter of the Heart, I also acknowledge that it is not sinful to not keep the sabbath because of the old covenant and that keeping the sabbath with the new covenant is a matter of your relationship with God.
How is it a matter of the heart if it was a commandment? If it was a matter of the heart, by my choice I would not consider any day holy, but God established The Sabbath as holy and sanctified it. How is breaking one of those commandments not a sin? And Christ didn't change The Commandments he magnified them. So if you follow the NT that would point you to the OT.
 
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LEPIDUS

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The fact of the matter is, that many of you don't acknowledge it as holy and sanctified. Therefor, you would not keep it. That's the bottom line.
 

Blain

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How is it a matter of the heart if it was a commandment? If it was a matter of the heart, by my choice I would not consider any day holy, but God established The Sabbath as holy and sanctified it. How is breaking one of those commandments not a sin? And Christ didn't change The Commandments he magnified them. So if you follow the NT that would point you to the OT.
Look this is like the third sabbath thread made today I have debated and debated to no avail as it only fuels the fire so I am drained. I dont even know why you made this thread, I mean you saw scubas thread you had to have known this would only turn into a war thread and if you wanted to preach what you believe to be the truth thats fine but I dont think thats why you created this thread. you can take what I said to heart or not I dont really care just remember dont judge a sin thats different from yours
 

LEPIDUS

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Look this is like the third sabbath thread made today I have debated and debated to no avail as it only fuels the fire so I am drained. I dont even know why you made this thread, I mean you saw scubas thread you had to have known this would only turn into a war thread and if you wanted to preach what you believe to be the truth thats fine but I dont think thats why you created this thread. you can take what I said to heart or not I dont really care just remember dont judge a sin thats different from yours
Your entitled not to read and reply in this thread feel free to refrain from posting. No one is judging, or preaching just asking questions. I have to reject what you present as truth because it doesn't align with Christ's doctrine. Whether it be about The Sabbath or not, I will continue asking my questions. No one is obligated to answer.
 

Apostol2013

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well we may be in debate over the sabbath day itself not reguarding God's ways and really being bullheaded like a stubborn mule , the commandment was given for a reason . it was important to God , the sabbath day is a established day ordaqined by God like the night and day that cannot be undone so is His sabbath . the Lord blessed and sanctified this day and made it holy : because on that Day God rested from all His works wich God had made . what God establishes in the creation is still standing it is a Day we are to pay worship[ and complete reverance to God as we ought to everyday but this day is His day and by doing so we are being reverant to God as creator and our God but the argument is the way the israelites observed it , the harshities were added to teach the importance of His day not just for no reason did God added it . so those that worship on 7th day sabbath recognizes God in full reverance , just like God gave dominion of the earth and it stands even to this day even so His blessed sabbath .
 

Blain

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Your entitled not to read and reply in this thread feel free to refrain from posting. No one is judging, or preaching just asking questions. I have to reject what you present as truth because it doesn't align with Christ's doctrine. Whether it be about The Sabbath or not, I will continue asking my questions. No one is obligated to answer.
I wouldnt have an issue with it if you were asking for the right reasons but i dont think you are. Obviously you are upset that people dont keep the sabbath, your op question wasnt a question of actually wanting to know you knew ppl would not agree and were actually trying to pick a fight.

This is why while I could debate I dont think its a good idea as this is clearly a war thread with the intent for heated debating back and forth. You and I both know neither side will back up or learn, you have seen with your own eyes what a sabbath debate is and does. I mean can you honestly say to me you created this thread for the cause of Christ? for teaching and edifying? Or did you create it for the cause of debating?
 

crossnote

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The fact of the matter is, that many of you don't acknowledge it as holy and sanctified. Therefor, you would not keep it. That's the bottom line.
(Rom 14:5) One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
 

LEPIDUS

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I wouldnt have an issue with it if you were asking for the right reasons but i dont think you are. Obviously you are upset that people dont keep the sabbath, your op question wasnt a question of actually wanting to know you knew ppl would not agree and were actually trying to pick a fight.

This is why while I could debate I dont think its a good idea as this is clearly a war thread with the intent for heated debating back and forth. You and I both know neither side will back up or learn, you have seen with your own eyes what a sabbath debate is and does. I mean can you honestly say to me you created this thread for the cause of Christ? for teaching and edifying? Or did you create it for the cause of debating?
My question is legitimate if you don't like it not my problem and I am not upset that people don't keep it, and the end of the day they wont give account to me.

How is my question not edifying if it allows and gives room for truth to be spoken, rather than have people go in circles?
 

LEPIDUS

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Oh yeah the brush. Anyhow it was already answered in post #2.
Yea I addressed that post and you didn't answer the original post. By no answer can I assume you don't know it, which would be sad since we do have the answer in The Bible.

(Rom 14:5) One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
And this verse plus many other are taken of out context to justify behavior that contradict the doctrines of Christ.
 

crossnote

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Context? Ok....

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
(Rom 14:1-10)
 

LEPIDUS

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Context? Ok....

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
(Rom 14:1-10)
Someone in another thread provided the context of this verse. Has nothing to do with the Sabbath, it has to do with fasting and food. Anyway I'm leaving now for Bible study.
 
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How is it a matter of the heart if it was a commandment? If it was a matter of the heart, by my choice I would not consider any day holy, but God established The Sabbath as holy and sanctified it. How is breaking one of those commandments not a sin? And Christ didn't change The Commandments he magnified them. So if you follow the NT that would point you to the OT.
Colossians 2:16. We are not to judge those who keep or do not keep the Sabbath. For it is a shadow of what is to come, but its true substance is Christ Himself. That was Colossians 2:17

If that exhortation comes from the Holy Spirit, then it is not sin to either keep or not keep the Sabbath any longer, for the substance of the Sabbath is Christ Himself.
 
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I acknowledge that sabbath keeping is a matter of the Heart, I also acknowledge that it is not sinful to not keep the sabbath because of the old covenant and that keeping the sabbath with the new covenant is a matter of your relationship with God.
I read the same scripture and get a different message from the Lord! We both listen, I've read your posts! How could we see something different?

I feel there are too many scriptures about honoring what God has set apart for us for us not to listen to the Lord about Sabbath. When Christ washes us completely clean so all is forgiven and we start a new day in Christ, I think that means we include following Christ to honoring the Sabbath, whatever day we choose as the Sabbath.

Scripture says the new covenant is better, and some day all the old will completely go away and not be needed, but it doesn't say anywhere that the new wipes out the old. What is it about what old covenant that you think God cancelled? I just don't see how we can know all we know about God and say this God told us that He reneged on all God promised before because God added something new.