Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

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1still_waters

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Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

I see many posts/threads about keeping the true Friday evening/Saturday Sabbath. I also noticed many who advocate for observing the Sabbath, do a lot of arguing/debating/discussing of the Sabbath, on the Sabbath.

This observation leads me to a question.

Should "Sabbath keepers" be online arguing/debating/discussing/etc. the Sabbath, on the Sabbath?

I mean if they spend six days a week making multiple posts on this topic, is it necessary to keep at it on the day of rest too? There are plenty of their posts already on the forums. Which means there would be plenty of content already present arguing FOR Sabbath observance. Which means arguing for the Sabbath on the Sabbath isn't necessary work.

I have always thought true Sabbath observance meant doing as little work as needed. If there are already hundreds or thousands of posts on the forums already, then it's not necessary to do the work of advocating for the observance of the Sabbath on the Sabbath. At least in a message board/forum/chat context. Sabbath advocate posts float in the active stream even if they miss a day, making advocating for the Sabbath, on the Sabbath a non-necessity.

Right? Wrong?
 
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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

There are already hundreds of active posts advocating for Sabbath keeping, so if our Sabbath keepers take a day of rest, it's not like their message won't exist and won't be available for everyone to read. Which in my understanding makes it unnecessary work to argue/discuss/debate FOR the Sabbath on the Sabbath in a chat/forum context.

I say go big or go home. Take a rest! A full rest. Your forum posts will be floating and active for a 24 hour or more period if you decide to have a more full observance of the Sabbath.
 

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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

There are already hundreds of active posts advocating for Sabbath keeping, so if our Sabbath keepers take a day of rest, it's not like their message won't exist and won't be available for everyone to read. Which in my understanding makes it unnecessary work to argue/discuss/debate FOR the Sabbath on the Sabbath in a chat/forum context.

I say go big or go home. Take a rest! A full rest. Your forum posts will be floating and active for a 24 hour or more period if you decide to have a more full observance of the Sabbath.

Makes sense.
 

KohenMatt

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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

I see many posts/threads about keeping the true Friday evening/Saturday Sabbath. I also noticed many who advocate for observing the Sabbath, do a lot of arguing/debating/discussing of the Sabbath, on the Sabbath.

This observation leads me to a question.

Should "Sabbath keepers" be online arguing/debating/discussing/etc. the Sabbath, on the Sabbath?

I mean if they spend six days a week making multiple posts on this topic, is it necessary to keep at it on the day of rest too? There are plenty of their posts already on the forums. Which means there would be plenty of content already present arguing FOR Sabbath observance. Which means arguing for the Sabbath on the Sabbath isn't necessary work.

I have always thought true Sabbath observance meant doing as little work as needed. If there are already hundreds or thousands of posts on the forums already, then it's not necessary to do the work of advocating for the observance of the Sabbath on the Sabbath. At least in a message board/forum/chat context. Sabbath advocate posts float in the active stream even if they miss a day, making advocating for the Sabbath, on the Sabbath a non-necessity.

Right? Wrong?
That's a really great question. I've prayed about that same thing many times before.
 
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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

our question is, (should we quench the Spirit on the Sabbath?)

'I say, preach the Word, in season, out of season, during the day,
during the night, seven days of the week.
Is it unlawful to good on the Sabbath?

we boldly bear witness, as Christ preached on the Sabbath,
so must we.
should we preach only part of the Truth part of the time?

we say, Proclaim it on the housetops, Keep the Commandments -
Love God - Love your neighbor - be a faithful witness in all of His Word.
let your Faith shine in all boldness, and preach the Holiness of the Sabbath
on His Holy Day.

as it is written, My Father works, and so do I.
 
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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Weren't there some things a Covenant member would do that God allowed?

A review of the Law on this matter may reveal the answer.

What does the Law allow and restrict?

Then, define and describe how being online is restricted of permitted.

BUT if the Sabbath-Keeper is to uphold that Christ is their Sabbath, not the day, then you have destroyed their belief-system.

If I had a hammer.... :)
 

KohenMatt

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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Another question to ask....

What did Jesus, the disciples or Paul do on the Sabbath?
 
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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Another question to ask....

What did Jesus, the disciples or Paul do on the Sabbath?
They went into the synagogue to teach as was His "custom".

They also blessed and healed on any other day. But they knew because of the customs of the people of their day, a group would gather every week.
 

KohenMatt

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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

They went into the synagogue to teach as was His "custom".

They also blessed and healed on any other day. But they knew because of the customs of the people of their day, a group would gather every week.
Exactly. If Jesus and Paul saw fit to spend the Sabbath engaging in ministry with and to others, that's a pretty good example to follow.
 
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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Exactly. If Jesus and Paul saw fit to spend the Sabbath engaging in ministry with and to others, that's a pretty good example to follow.
Just that the synagogue is not the online chat site. And if no work is to be done then what constitutes work? Taking a day off from your job every Saturday?

Most would love to have Saturday off but for a lot of them their job requires it. Saturday church goers might go eat at the restaurant after service. Are those serve them breaking the Sabbath?
 

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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

I see many posts/threads about keeping the true Friday evening/Saturday Sabbath. I also noticed many who advocate for observing the Sabbath, do a lot of arguing/debating/discussing of the Sabbath, on the Sabbath.

This observation leads me to a question.

Should "Sabbath keepers" be online arguing/debating/discussing/etc. the Sabbath, on the Sabbath?

I mean if they spend six days a week making multiple posts on this topic, is it necessary to keep at it on the day of rest too? There are plenty of their posts already on the forums. Which means there would be plenty of content already present arguing FOR Sabbath observance. Which means arguing for the Sabbath on the Sabbath isn't necessary work.

I have always thought true Sabbath observance meant doing as little work as needed. If there are already hundreds or thousands of posts on the forums already, then it's not necessary to do the work of advocating for the observance of the Sabbath on the Sabbath. At least in a message board/forum/chat context. Sabbath advocate posts float in the active stream even if they miss a day, making advocating for the Sabbath, on the Sabbath a non-necessity.

Right? Wrong?

Love this one
 
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1still_waters

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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

our question is, (should we quench the Spirit on the Sabbath?)

'I say, preach the Word, in season, out of season, during the day,
during the night, seven days of the week.
Is it unlawful to good on the Sabbath?

we boldly bear witness, as Christ preached on the Sabbath,
so must we.
should we preach only part of the Truth part of the time?

we say, Proclaim it on the housetops, Keep the Commandments -
Love God - Love your neighbor - be a faithful witness in all of His Word.
let your Faith shine in all boldness, and preach the Holiness of the Sabbath
on His Holy Day.

as it is written, My Father works, and so do I.
Maybe if this were a synagogue or street preacher context you'd have a point.
This is a forum/chat context. Many of these users are simply saying the same thing to the same people they've said hundreds of times already. To act like they're contending for God, when the same contending will be active for 24 hours in their absence, well it seems like an overstating of their importance.

Which is more like the holy work we see Jesus and Paul doing on a Sabbath...

1. Going to a soup kitchen for the day and feeding the hungry.
2. Going to the hospital and visiting the sick.
3. Finding a street corner and preaching to people who haven't heard you before.
4. Posting the same stuff online to the same people who have heard you hundreds of times already.

Seriously, if you take 24 hours off to rest from posting here, your message will still be here. It's posted hundreds of times and is active.

Posting here on the Sabbath is unnecessary work. If you want to argue for doing God's work on the sabbath, then go find a soup kitchen, homeless shelter or street corner.

It's possible this is more about grinding an ax and being right, than it is about doing holy work even on a Sabbath.
 

KohenMatt

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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Just that the synagogue is not the online chat site. And if no work is to be done then what constitutes work? Taking a day off from your job every Saturday?

Most would love to have Saturday off but for a lot of them their job requires it. Saturday church goers might go eat at the restaurant after service. Are those serve them breaking the Sabbath?
A synagogue, or a church is more than just a physical building. It is the gathering of Believers, which can also be a website. Here in a few hours, I'll be heading off to a physical church to meet with fellow Believers.

I think "work" consists of our common jobs and responsibilities throughout the week. God set the Sabbath apart from all other days, so it should look different than the rest of the week. Fortunately, God has blessed me with a job where I don't have to work on the Sabbath.

For those who have to work on the Sabbath, I say go for it with joy and fervor. As I said earlier, if God gave you a job where your'e asked to work on the Sabbath, then do so with joy and a heart to minister. If God gave you a job to work on the Sabbath, then there's a reason you're there, and that is to minister.

The Levitical Priests did twice as much work on the Sabbath as they did during the other 6 days. The key was that they were serving and ministering. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath, it is lawful to minister and serve on the Sabbath.

As far as a server at a restaurant on the Sabbath? That is between them and God and what He is calling them to do. (Although we try not to eat out until after sundown. But we did eat breakfast out last Sabbath since we're in the process of moving. But I digress.)
 
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1still_waters

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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

A synagogue, or a church is more than just a physical building. It is the gathering of Believers, which can also be a website. Here in a few hours, I'll be heading off to a physical church to meet with fellow Believers.

I think "work" consists of our common jobs and responsibilities throughout the week. God set the Sabbath apart from all other days, so it should look different than the rest of the week. Fortunately, God has blessed me with a job where I don't have to work on the Sabbath.

For those who have to work on the Sabbath, I say go for it with joy and fervor. As I said earlier, if God gave you a job where your'e asked to work on the Sabbath, then do so with joy and a heart to minister. If God gave you a job to work on the Sabbath, then there's a reason you're there, and that is to minister.

The Levitical Priests did twice as much work on the Sabbath as they did during the other 6 days. The key was that they were serving and ministering. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath, it is lawful to minister and serve on the Sabbath.

As far as a server at a restaurant on the Sabbath? That is between them and God and what He is calling them to do. (Although we try not to eat out until after sundown. But we did eat breakfast out last Sabbath since we're in the process of moving. But I digress.)
If you view the Sabbath as being as morally equal to thou shall not murder, thou shall not commit adultery, etc. then why in the world did you eat breakfast out on a Sabbath?

You would never hear someone justifying adultery by saying..."Well I slept with my secretary because the wife was out of town...but I digress. Or..oh I just bowed down to Buddha cuz well, it was a Buddha-fest day, but I digress.

This is a major inconsistency I see with the passionate Sabbath keepers. On one hand they say that command is just as serious as the others, but then they justify breaking it, as if breaking it isn't as severe.

They'll justify working on Sunday because the boss told them to. But if the boss told them to commit adultery, they'd say no!

Why? Because even they view the Sabbath differently.
 
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1still_waters

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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

I highly doubt this is about doing "the Lord's work" even on a Sabbath, when pro-Sabbath observers exert unnecessary effort/work online by "standing for the Sabbath".

Doing the "Lord's work" "even on the Sabbath", looks more like this...



.....and less like this.




 

KohenMatt

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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

If you view the Sabbath as being as morally equal to thou shall not murder, thou shall not commit adultery, etc. then why in the world did you eat breakfast out on a Sabbath?

You would never hear someone justifying adultery by saying..."Well I slept with my secretary because the wife was out of town...but I digress. Or..oh I just bowed down to Buddha cuz well, it was a Buddha-fest day, but I digress.

This is a major inconsistency I see with the passionate Sabbath keepers. On one hand they say that command is just as serious as the others, but then they justify breaking it, as if breaking it isn't as severe.

They'll justify working on Sunday because the boss told them to. But if the boss told them to commit adultery, they'd say no!

Why? Because even they view the Sabbath differently.
You're assuming I think those who serve at restaurants on the Sabbath are sinning. I don't.

As I've said all along, the commands are more than just the physical applications of them. There is the spiritual meaning, which Jesus came to teach about.

Yes, the Sabbath is just as important as not killing and adultery, etc. That's why God included it with them in the 10 commandments. Was God just writing down random, arbitrary instructions when He gave the 10? Or did He think they were important, even crucial to His Kingdom? So then did God change His mind and say that it wasn't important anymore, but the other ones are?

That being said, what's the balance? Where is God's heart in the matter? Does He want us to legalistically observe the Sabbath, or treat it like He would want us to treat it.

That is between you and God.
 

KohenMatt

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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

I highly doubt this is about doing "the Lord's work" even on a Sabbath, when pro-Sabbath observers exert unnecessary effort/work online by "standing for the Sabbath".
I don't think typing and talking to people qualifies as effort and work.

Unless my keyboard is really, really stiff.
In that case, I should go buy a different keyboard.
Tomorrow, not today.
It's the Sabbath.
 
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1still_waters

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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

You're assuming I think those who serve at restaurants on the Sabbath are sinning. I don't.

As I've said all along, the commands are more than just the physical applications of them. There is the spiritual meaning, which Jesus came to teach about.

Yes, the Sabbath is just as important as not killing and adultery, etc. That's why God included it with them in the 10 commandments. Was God just writing down random, arbitrary instructions when He gave the 10? Or did He think they were important, even crucial to His Kingdom? So then did God change His mind and say that it wasn't important anymore, but the other ones are?

That being said, what's the balance? Where is God's heart in the matter? Does He want us to legalistically observe the Sabbath, or treat it like He would want us to treat it.

That is between you and God.

Regardless, you did say..
Although we try not to eat out until after sundown. But we did eat breakfast out last Sabbath since we're in the process of moving. But I digress.)
Which indicates you do view the Sabbath as being special and applying to us today.
I was NOT commenting on the sinfulness of the server. I was commenting on what seems to be a contradiction with you.

On one hand you say..
Yes, the Sabbath is just as important as not killing and adultery, etc. That's why God included it with them in the 10 commandments.
But then you show you leave room for breaking that important commandment.
But we did eat breakfast out last Sabbath since we're in the process of moving. But I digress.)
It just seems inconsistent.
 
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1still_waters

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I don't think typing and talking to people qualifies as effort and work.

Unless my keyboard is really, really stiff.
In that case, I should go buy a different keyboard.
Tomorrow, not today.
It's the Sabbath.
You're exerting emotional effort into this.
On a day you believe is meant for rest.
This is non-essential emotional exertion on your part.
 

KohenMatt

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Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Regardless, you did say..


Which indicates you do view the Sabbath as being special and applying to us today.
I was NOT commenting on the sinfulness of the server. I was commenting on what seems to be a contradiction with you.

On one hand you say..


But then you show you leave room for breaking that important commandment.


It just seems inconsistent.
Because I don't think eating out on the Sabbath is breaking the Sabbath.

If I did, I wouldn't.
 
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