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daniella

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hi everbody I have a confusion in 1 corn 14:22:confused:

it says"tongues are a sign not for believers but for the unbelievers ;prophecy,however,is for the believers and not for the unbelievers"
now here is my question,
then,does it mean that if you speak in tongues you are a unbeliver while,if you prophesis no matter with whose power you do it GOD's or satan's you are a believer?
 
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charisenexcelcis

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It is not a sign of an unbeliever, but for or to the unbeliever.
 
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The Christian who is speaking in tongues realizes it is the Holy Spirit talking through them. The speaking in tongues to the unbeliever is for them to see. Like in the book of Acts when the Holy Spirit first came with his tongues for people. There were many people who spoke different languges and they each heard the tongues in their own language. It doesn't say what the Holy Spirit told all those people but it says that many people turned to God because of hearing it.
A church I used to go to there was a visitor. Lives in the next town from us. A Apache Indian. The Holy Spirit came on one of the people and he was talking in that mans language. The person speaking the tongues didn't know what was being said. But the man who was hearing from God in his own language was very happy of what he heard.
The speaking of tongues is a gift from God for others to see. To know that they can have the gift also.
The speaking of tongues is to help us and for the Spirit to pray through us to help others.
Sadly just as in the days of Acts when people mocked and made fun of the people who the Holy Spirit came on and spoke tongues out of them, today people are still making fun and mocking Christians who speak in tongues.
 
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daniella

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don't understand,can you explain it more clearly?
 
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daniella

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I agree with you lovechild,people mock christians they have a nickname too
 
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charisenexcelcis

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don't understand,can you explain it more clearly?
One of the principle usages of the supernation gift of various languages (glossalia rather than translation) is as a sign to the unbeliever. Prophecy appears to the unbeliever as a person just speaking their opinion, but if the person speaks in a language which they do not know, it gets the attention of the unbeliever--it is a sign.
 
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greatkraw

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actually comparing the old testament with the book of acts we find that tongues was a sign for unbelieving Jews

therefore if there are no unbelieving jews around then tongues is inappropriate
 
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Hi daniella, I'm not sure what you don't understand. Let me try to say more about the tongues and see if that helps. The bible tells us we only know how to pray some. Like if I started praying I would start with asking God to bless this one and that one. And thank him for all the blessings he has already given and the ones he is still giving. And pray for any need that I could think of. Then I've run out of things to pray for. I can't think of anything else to pray for. But the Holy Spirit knows everything that is going on all over the whole world he knows what needs to be prayed for at this time ofrthis time ..right.
So like one time I was praying in the Spirit(which means praying in tongues). I was just praying that if there was a need God wanted me to pray for or if he wanted me to know what to pray for.
And as I was praying in tongues the Lords Spirit came on me very strong. I could feel great fear and the Spirit started speaking the tongues out of me very strong and very forceful. He was yelling very loud and with great force. I didn't understand the words I was saying. I didn't know what was going on. Sometimes the Lord does tell us what he is praying, sometimes he doesn't.
But I could feel the Spirit and I knew what ever it was it was very important as to what was happening.
A few weeks later a lady who was there that night as the Spirit was on me asked me do I speak Spanish.. I told her no I didn't. She asked did I understand it. I told her no I didn't.
See where I live there are a lot of Spanish people. I am actually half Spanish. Things from the past my Dad never taught me Spanish. I'm half white and the people spoke English and he told me to talk like they talk.
Sorry I don't know how to keep it short.
Anyway the lady told me that that night I was screaming in Spanish " He's killing them! He's killing them! " I was screaming that over and over.
I still don't know what was happening that night. Maybe satans power in some people they were murdering other people. Maybe God was having us pray because he is so upset that satans power is killing so many people all over the world. I don't know.
All I do know is our letting the power of God come out of us by speaking in tongues is so very important.
And I do know that Gods power was stopping or slowing down satans power and protecting people.
Maybe people who were being killed at that very minute were still alive by us praying that night.
God said that his power comes out of us when we pray in his name. He wrote it in the book that the people on this earth are to be used by God so his powers can be reeased on this earth and in heaven.
He could have written it that he just does it all by hisself. But he didn't. He wrote it that his power is let loose by us in Jesus name.
Speaking in tongues is also used to teach you or to teach other people. So we speak in tongues or we are going into prayer time and we start speaking in tongues. By doing it, it can open doors to us from heaven. Like we can have more vissions, or more of God talking to us about something. Or if we have been asking God to help us with something and then we start praying in tongues and he will start revealing things about what we had asked him about.
Or we speak in tongues and he will tell us about someone else. Something that maybe they have been praying about, or maybe they are hurting over.
Like one time I was praying in tongues and the Lord told me about this young lady who was there that night. He told me to pray for her because she had problems. I didn't know very much about her at that time.
I also didn't know right then that the Lord had told this other lady to pray for the same young lady also.
But I started praying for the young lady. Then the Lord told me to go over her and put my hand on her and to pray for her. So I did.
So I'm there with my hand on her and still praying in the Spirit. The Lord told me to put my hand on the back of her head.
There are many times I know Gods power is coming out of my hands. There are times I know the other person is feeling it. And there are times I don't know if they are feeling it or not.
Then the Lord told me to put my hand on her forehead and keep praying. So I did.
Then it was over with.
What ever God was doing was done.
After our prayer time the young lady asked me what was happening when I put my hand on her. I asked her what did she mean. She said when you put your hand on me I could feel this thing happening to me. What was that. She was so excited and so in aw of what she felt.
I said that was God. That was his power touching her. I told her how God had asked me to pray for her. He said she was going through problems.
She said how when I put my hand on the back of her head, the power was so strong she was about to fall over back ward. I could feel some of that to when it was happening. That was when I put my hand on her forehead. Cause I could feel she was going to fall over backwards and there was chairs there and she could be hurt.
But by me speaking in tongues, letting the Holy Spirit pray to Jesus out of me he used me to help her. She knew God was hearing her prayers to him because he sent me to her.
And she didn't know anything about God and was just trying to see if she wanted to know him or not.
She was just full of questions. It was so wonderful!.
So she was wondering if God was real or not. And that awsome power she felt she knew there was really a God.
Actually I found out later that this young lady was a witch.
Praise and glory be to God now she knows there is a God!
She has been back and forth from church. But by the speaking in tongues God gave her to me to pray for and I will pray for her for the rest of my life. God answers our prayers and I know she is his forever. Because God wants her soul and I want her soul to belong to God.
God has sent me to her after this. And she knows I know God and the doors are open. So she knows she can come to me if she needs to and I will help her anyway I can to know more of God.


 
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charisenexcelcis

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actually comparing the old testament with the book of acts we find that tongues was a sign for unbelieving Jews

therefore if there are no unbelieving jews around then tongues is inappropriate
Paul is writing to a largely Gentile church and makes no distinction. I see no reason to add one. What is the OT reference that you are making.
 
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It's a sign to unbelievers in general, not just Jews.
 
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NewJerusalem

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actually comparing the old testament with the book of acts we find that tongues was a sign for unbelieving Jews

therefore if there are no unbelieving jews around then tongues is inappropriate
You SURE???/ about that?? ;)
 
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greatkraw

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Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

1 Cor 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
 
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NewJerusalem

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actually comparing the old testament with the book of acts we find that tongues was a sign for unbelieving Jews

therefore if there are no unbelieving jews around then tongues is inappropriate
Was Corinth a Jewish town or mostly a Gentile town?

Search to see if such things are so . ;)
 
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greatkraw

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yeah and Paul went to the Jew first and afterward to the Greek
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

1 Cor 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
Interesting connection. I don't think it is enough. Is there anything else?
 
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charisenexcelcis

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yeah and Paul went to the Jew first and afterward to the Greek
But do you then think that I Corinthians teaching on the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for the Jew only. Or for the "Apostolic" age only? If so, why include it in the canon?
 
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Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

1 Cor 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
since I cor 14:21 is referring back to Isa 28:11 "in the law it is written" but we see that 1 cor 14:21 is a reference to speaking other languages such as God will use the egyptians to speak to this people, as with a pentecost their were spoken all the languages of the people that were present, see . there is different tongues such as different languages and unknown tongues, paul stated about speaking in tongues of angels, but this is not what these verses you use are speaking about, well that the way i take these verses any how
 
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charisenexcelcis

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since I cor 14:21 is referring back to Isa 28:11 "in the law it is written" but we see that 1 cor 14:21 is a reference to speaking other languages such as God will use the egyptians to speak to this people, as with a pentecost their were spoken all the languages of the people that were present, see . there is different tongues such as different languages and unknown tongues, paul stated about speaking in tongues of angels, but this is not what these verses you use are speaking about, well that the way i take these verses any how
I'm sorry but your grammar is a bit scrambled here. Could you reword this. I do not understand your point.
 
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It says sign for unbelievers, no for unbelieving Jews or just jews.
 
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machew

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I have seen and heard about unbelievers who speak in tongues the instant they get saved, without even knowing what speaking in tongues is. So I'm pretty sure speaking in tongues is not just for the jews.
 
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